The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[RedDenver]

27 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Here it is.  Today the activity was around Bernie & Yang by Russian bots.  

 

They are very focused in bringing the drama to us so that we destroy ourselves.  If you put your head in the sand and act as if they arent' able to impact our elections by using tactics that worked for them in 2016 as well as new ones we're in trouble.  They are using many assets.

Isn't turning against Tulsi because of the Russian bots exactly the drama the Russians are trying to achieve? If you want to lessen their influence, stop listening to them.

[RedDenver]

 

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[NM11046]

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

Isn't turning against Tulsi because of the Russian bots exactly the drama the Russians are trying to achieve? If you want to lessen their influence, stop listening to them.

The thing is, if you remember from 2016 - the extra attention gets her extra coverage in the media, more donations online, more opportunity to speak her views (which just happen to align to talking points that are from other, more dictatorship like governments).  The biggest impact this had in 2016 was voters not going to the polls because they didn't think their votes mattered based on what they were hearing and seeing.

I don't listen to them - my concern is how many do or are influenced by them whether they realize it or not, and whether they take action on it or not.  Just look at how long this discussion has gone on about it here - she's not a strong candidate, and without this weeks' amplification thanks to Hilary, she would have likely fallen out of the race in the near term.  

BUT - I do think Hillary calling out a potential move to a 3rd party in order to keep running once another Dem wins the party's nomination is one way to try and keep Tulsi accountable to not do exactly that.  What would be disliked more than her proving Hilary right yet again about Russian influence?

[Moiraine]

23 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

The thing is, if you remember from 2016 - the extra attention gets her extra coverage in the media, more donations online, more opportunity to speak her views (which just happen to align to talking points that are from other, more dictatorship like governments).  The biggest impact this had in 2016 was voters not going to the polls because they didn't think their votes mattered based on what they were hearing and seeing.

I don't listen to them - my concern is how many do or are influenced by them whether they realize it or not, and whether they take action on it or not.  Just look at how long this discussion has gone on about it here - she's not a strong candidate, and without this weeks' amplification thanks to Hilary, she would have likely fallen out of the race in the near term.  

BUT - I do think Hillary calling out a potential move to a 3rd party in order to keep running once another Dem wins the party's nomination is one way to try and keep Tulsi accountable to not do exactly that.  What would be disliked more than her proving Hilary right yet again about Russian influence?

 

 

All Clinton mentioning it did was make it more likely that she runs as a 3rd party candidate and has some success at it.

[knapplc]

If Hillary runs as a 3rd party candidate, The Putin Puppet wins again.

 

[Moiraine]

9 hours ago, knapplc said:

If Hillary runs as a 3rd party candidate, The Putin Puppet wins again.

 

 

 

I meant Gabbard. There’s no chance Clinton does that. 

[knapplc]

Just some light reading on Tulsi Gabbard, courtesy of Preech on Reddit.

 

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Here are some things people need to know about Tulsi Gabbard:

• Tulsi Gabbard comes from a family of conservative activists, most famous for their opposition to gay marriage in Hawaii: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

• Tulsi Gabbard has said her personal views on LGBT equality haven't changed as recently as 2015: https://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/tulsi-gabbard-a-young-star-headed-for-the-cabinet/62604

• Tulsi Gabbard is rated "F" by Progressive Punch for voting with Republicans, despite the strong progressive lean of her district: https://imgur.com/wDhVNKq

• Tulsi Gabbard was nearly a part of Trump's cabinet at Steve bannon's suggestion: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-rep-tulsi-gabbard-consideration-trump-cabinet/story?id=43696303 https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307106-bannon-set-up-trump-gabbard-meeting

• Tulsi Gabbard has also been praised multiple times by Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist and prolific white nationalist propagandist: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/36352314/bannon-name-drops-hawaii-congresswoman-in-national-interview/

• Tulsi Gabbard declined to join 169 Democrats in condemning Trump for appointing Steve Bannon to his cabinet: https://mauitime.com/news/politics/why-didnt-rep-tulsi-gabbard-join-169-of-her-colleagues-in-denouncing-trump-appointee-stephen-bannon/

• Tulsi Gabbard isn't anti-war. She's a self-described hawk against terrorists. Her narrow objections center around efforts to spread democracy: "In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I'm a hawk," Gabbard said. "When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I'm a dove.": https://www.votetulsi.com/node/27796

• Tulsi Gabbard copies the rhetoric of Republicans: Gabbard voted against condemning Bashar al-Assad, president of Syria, and was praised by conservative media for publicly challenging President Barack Obama over his refusal to use the term "Islamic extremism" when discussing terrorism: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/tulsi-gabbard-slams-obamas-refusal-to-say-islamic-/

• Tulsi Gabbard also copies the policy of Republicans, voting with them to block Syrian refugees: https://medium.com/@pplswar/tulsi-gabbard-voted-to-make-it-virtually-impossible-for-syrian-refugees-to-come-to-the-u-s-11463d0a7a5a

• Tulsi Gabbard has multiple connections to Hindu nationalists: https://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard

• Tulsi Gabbard frequently repeats Russian talking points and works to legitimize Assad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats

• Tulsi Gabbard was one of only 3 representatives to not condemn Assad for gassing Syrian civilians and the only Democrat: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/121/text https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/20/house-democrats-refugee-bill-social-media-backlash

• Tulsi Gabbard has introduced legislation pushed by GOP-megadonor, Sheldon Adelson: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-adelson-idUSBREA2P0BJ20140326

• Tulsi was later awarded a "Champions of Freedom" medal at Adelson's annual gala in 2016: https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-the-bernie-endorsing-congresswoman-who-trump-fans-can-love

• Senator Mazie Hirono from Hawaii did not endorse Tulsi's 2020 bid due to concerns of Tulsi's lack of a progressive record. Senator Hirono said she would be "looking for someone who has a long record of supporting progressive goals" when asked if she will support Gabbard in the Democratic primary.

• Tulsi Gabbard was born into a cult called the Science of Identity. It was created in the 1970's and is led by a white man named Chris Butler, but he calls himself Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa. Tulsi's own aunt has come forward and called it the “alt-right of the Hare Krishna movement”. To this day she is an active member and some of her campaign staff come directly from that cult. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-campaign.html

 

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[knapplc]

Just a friendly reminder as all you lefties are chewing up your political opponents, dividing the Left is a key part of Putin's plan to get Trump reelected.

 

He wants you to rip each other apart in the primaries, so much so that you become disaffected when your candidate doesn't win and you don't vote for the one who does.

 

As we saw in 2016, it doesn't take many people to either not vote or vote 3rd party out of spite. 

[teachercd]

The worst thing that could happen to the Democratic party is having a 3rd party run.

[Danny Bateman]

9 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Just a friendly reminder as all you lefties are chewing up your political opponents, dividing the Left is a key part of Putin's plan to get Trump reelected.

 

He wants you to rip each other apart in the primaries, so much so that you become disaffected when your candidate doesn't win and you don't vote for the one who does.

 

As we saw in 2016, it doesn't take many people to either not vote or vote 3rd party out of spite. 

 

I don't get it. I consider myself a lefty, but I could find a way to be happy with *almost* any candidate running.

 

I'm not going to go out of my way to spend my time pointing out the flaws and complaining about specific candidates. I don't see the point in that

[NM11046]

18 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

I don't get it. I consider myself a lefty, but I could find a way to be happy with *almost* any candidate running.

 

I'm not going to go out of my way to spend my time pointing out the flaws and complaining about specific candidates. I don't see the point in that

Ditto.

 

(edit - except I'm no fan of Tulsi - but she's no Dem)

[Danny Bateman]

3 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Ditto.

 

(edit - except I'm no fan of Tulsi - but she's no Dem)

 

Heck, I'm in the exact same boat.

 

But I'd find a way to get up for Tulsi if she won the nom. That's how much I despise the current guy. Getting him out of Washington supersedes all else at this point.

[Ratt Mhule]

9 hours ago, knapplc said:

Just a friendly reminder as all you lefties are chewing up your political opponents, dividing the Left is a key part of Putin's plan to get Trump reelected.

 

He wants you to rip each other apart in the primaries, so much so that you become disaffected when your candidate doesn't win and you don't vote for the one who does.

 

As we saw in 2016, it doesn't take many people to either not vote or vote 3rd party out of spite. 

The democratic establishment and corporate media do a better job of that than any of us here on huskerboard could ever do. 
 

When Anderson Cooper asks Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar if they are okay with 30,000 people dying from lack of healthcare or if they are okay with 500,000 people going bankrupt every year instead of asking Sanders and Warren how they will pay for it in every debate then I will get on board. 

[Ratt Mhule]

8 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

I don't get it. I consider myself a lefty, but I could find a way to be happy with *almost* any candidate running.

 

I'm not going to go out of my way to spend my time pointing out the flaws and complaining about specific candidates. I don't see the point in that

Because choosing a s#!tty candidate ends up putting people like DT in the white house. If people dont know things like, oh lets say Warren is waffling on MFA and healthcrae is your number one issue, then whats the point of a primary? Will I vote for Warren if shes the nominee? Yes. But voters deserve to know the differences between her and Biden. Or her and Sanders. And there are a lot of differences between these candidates.