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[nic]

1 hour ago, NM11046 said:

Yeah you shouldn't - even the Trump loyalists interviewed said that everything done was legal, and the person with the catch phrases, Kash Patel was in a role to do something about it when he served Mr. Trump --- and he didn't.  Why they are coming out with it as headlines now after the statute of limitations has expired should have you questioning why they're publicizing it.  What is really happening when you're looking at this nonsense.

 

And I appreciate that you're seeing the Fox headlines for what they are.  They haven't changed much in 5 years, but if folks are starting to realize the sensationalism and lies they contain maybe, just maybe we're making some headway in this country.

I searched on headlines this morning. The interesting part is that during the Mueller investigation you could switch these headlines. CNN touting a new phase of the investigation and FOX pointing out how much it has cost so far.

“Durham's investigation into Russia probe costs $3.8 million so far“ - CNN

“The Durham investigation has entered a new phase and 2 glaring questions stand out” - FOX

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, NM11046 said:

Yeah you shouldn't - even the Trump loyalists interviewed said that everything done was legal, and the person with the catch phrases, Kash Patel was in a role to do something about it when he served Mr. Trump --- and he didn't.  Why they are coming out with it as headlines now after the statute of limitations has expired should have you questioning why they're publicizing it.  What is really happening when you're looking at this nonsense.

 

And I appreciate that you're seeing the Fox headlines for what they are.  They haven't changed much in 5 years, but if folks are starting to realize the sensationalism and lies they contain maybe, just maybe we're making some headway in this country.

You kinda forgot to mention where they said “for illegal purposes”.   Similar to how one can buy a gun, legally, but use it for illegal purposes.  

[Dr. Strangelove]

14 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

No I think he means the one that purposefully did not attempt to make a legal conclusion about what it was investigating, but did say that if the President would have been exonerated by the investigation, they would have said so, and they didn't.

Exactly. 

 

You can't charge the principal target of the investigation by definition of their job title. A sitting President can never be charged. The report purposefully decided not to make a legal conclusion because they can't, but it did conclude that he was not innocent or they would've specifically said so.

 

Ultimately the legal mechanism to "charge" the President is via impeachment. While technically he was impeached, with a Republican dominated Senate, Trump was never going to face punishment from the start. 

[Archy1221]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Exactly. 

 

You can't charge the principal target of the investigation by definition of their job title. A sitting President can never be charged. The report purposefully decided not to make a legal conclusion because they can't, but it did conclude that he was not innocent or they would've specifically said so.

 

Ultimately the legal mechanism to "charge" the President is via impeachment. While technically he was impeached, with a Republican dominated Senate, Trump was never going to face punishment from the start. 

Why did not a single person around him get charged with anything Russia related?  There is no “legal mechanism” to prevent anyone else from being charged.  

[Archy1221]

On another note…

 

 

[Scarlet]

Ah another frothy right-winger slinging disinformation.

[knapplc]

1 minute ago, Scarlet said:

Ah another frothy right-winger slinging disinformation.

 

Stockholm Syndrome. 

 

It has to gall these politicians to have been so hoodwinked by the grifter that they have to suck up to him like this. 

 

Sucks when you peddle disinformation and conspiracy theories to your base, only to have someone better at peddling come along and supplant you. 

[Archy1221]

51 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

Ah another frothy right-winger slinging disinformation.

According to who?   One lawyer with skin in the Trump impeachment game and another left wing lawyer?  

[Archy1221]

 

[Scarlet]

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"Under the terms of the contract, the data could be accessed to identify and analyze any security breaches or threats," Joffe's spokesperson said. "As a result of the hacks of EOP and DNC [Democratic National Committee] servers in 2015 and 2016, respectively, there were serious and legitimate national security concerns about  

Russian attempts to infiltrate the 2016 election. Upon identifying DNS queries from Russian-made Yota phones in proximity to the Trump campaign and the EOP, respected cybersecurity researchers were deeply concerned about the anomalies they found in the data and prepared a report of their findings, which was subsequently shared with the CIA."

 

Jody Westby and Mark Rasch, attorneys for David Dagon, a Georgia Institute of Technology analyst who was part of the research team referenced in Durham's filing, told ABC News that the team only provided data that was legally obtained during the Obama administration. 

 

"What you don't want to have happen, which we already see happening, is for researchers to be chilled in bringing concerns about cybersecurity threats to appropriate government agencies," they said. "And right now, the cybersecurity community is largely afraid to talk to law enforcement because of what has happened and how this case has been handled."

 

So the CIA was "spying" on the Obama administration? ...lol.    I haven't seen that in the right wing froth.

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[Dr. Strangelove]

14 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Why did not a single person around him get charged with anything Russia related?  There is no “legal mechanism” to prevent anyone else from being charged.  

Charges were brought against George Paladopoulos, Foreign Policy advisor to Trump's Presidential campaign, for lying to the FBI about his timing and significance of his contacts concerning U.S.-Russia relations and the Trump campaign.  He pleaded guilty. Did he coordinate with Russia to attack Hillary? No. Did he know about it and have extremely shady relations with Russia? Absolutely. 

 

Paul Manafort, chairman of the Trump campaign, was charged with numerous counts including Conspiracy to defraud the United States (this guy is a real winner!). His charges stemmed from his consulting work with pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. Did he coordinate with Russia to attack Hillary? No. Did he know about it and have extremely shady relations with Russia? Absolutely. 

 

Michael Flynn set a record for shortest stint as National Security advisor to the President. He resigned after he misled VP Pence about his communications with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Did he coordinate with Russia to attack Hillary? No. Did he know about it and have extremely shady relations with Russia? Absolutely. 

 

The Mueller report found 10 instances where Trump obstructed Justice, and left out up to Congress to charge him, as you cannot charge a sitting President. They did so, knowing that Republicans in the Senate would never convict him. The Republican party chose to protect itself rather than vote to convict Trump on obstruction, which the report more than confirms.

 

Honestly, all of these people are real pieces of s#!t. I have no idea how you or anybody else voted for this a second time. These people are extremely self-serving and would sell out this country in a blink if it personally benefited them, as evidenced by the charges and guilty pleasure brought against them. 

[Archy1221]

6 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Charges were brought against George Paladopoulos, Foreign Policy advisor to Trump's Presidential campaign, for lying to the FBI about his timing and significance of his contacts concerning U.S.-Russia relations and the Trump campaign.  He pleaded guilty. Did he coordinate with Russia to attack Hillary? No. Did he know about it and have extremely shady relations with Russia? Absolutely.  
 

He plead guilty to lying.  There were no pleadings or convictions of coordination with Russia or conspiracy with Russia.  

 

Paul Manafort, chairman of the Trump campaign, was charged with numerous counts including Conspiracy to defraud the United States (this guy is a real winner!). His charges stemmed from his consulting work with pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. Did he coordinate with Russia to attack Hillary? No. Did he know about it and have extremely shady relations with Russia? Absolutely. 

He plead guilty to Pre-Mueller/Pre-Trump campaign activity.  Is he scummy, it sure sounds like it.  Did he know about any Russia meddling in real time?  Not sure because you didn’t show any proof.  Did he illegally coordinate with Russia on that if so?  Well, I don’t remember any charges that led to a conviction so I would say no.  

 

Michael Flynn set a record for shortest stint as National Security advisor to the President. He resigned after he misled VP Pence about his communications with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Did he coordinate with Russia to attack Hillary? No. Did he know about it and have extremely shady relations with Russia? Absolutely. 
 

Do you have proof to show this statement above is true?  

 

The Mueller report found 10 instances where Trump obstructed Justice, and left out up to Congress to charge him, as you cannot charge a sitting President. They did so, knowing that Republicans in the Senate would never convict him. The Republican party chose to protect itself rather than vote to convict Trump on obstruction, which the report more than confirms.

Why was NOT A SINGLE person around Trump charged/convicted for what you are alleging?  It would be impossible for only Trump to be involved, yet no one else was charged?  Isn’t that telling to you?  

6 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

 

Honestly, all of these people are real pieces of s#!t. I have no idea how you or anybody else voted for this a second time. These people are extremely self-serving and would sell out this country in a blink if it personally benefited them, as evidenced by the charges and guilty pleasure brought against them. 

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

Why was NOT A SINGLE person around Trump charged/convicted for what you are alleging?  It would be impossible for only Trump to be involved, yet no one else was charged?  Isn’t that telling to you?  

 

The report details 10 instances of obstruction of Justice by the President, detailed how they cannot charge a sitting President, and outlined that it's up to Congress to charge him. 

 

The people in Trumps inner circle were charged with numerous crimes relating to obstruction. Including, but not limited to, lying to the FBI (classic obstruction), conspiracy to defraud the United States, witness tampering (the definition of obstruction), and others. 

 

I understand your drowing in the MAGAverse but c'mon. I'm not the one describing crimes; Robert Mueller is and he describes 10 instances of obstruction by the President. You're saying that nobody around him was charged for crimes relating to Obstruction when there are several. I mean, Roger Stone was charged with lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstructing an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election!

 

 

 

[Archy1221]

31 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

The report details 10 instances of obstruction of Justice by the President, detailed how they cannot charge a sitting President, and outlined that it's up to Congress to charge him. 

 

The people in Trumps inner circle were charged with numerous crimes relating to obstruction. Including, but not limited to, lying to the FBI (classic obstruction), conspiracy to defraud the United States, witness tampering (the definition of obstruction), and others. 

 

I understand your drowing in the MAGAverse but c'mon. I'm not the one describing crimes; Robert Mueller is and he describes 10 instances of obstruction by the President. You're saying that nobody around him was charged for crimes relating to Obstruction when there are several. I mean, Roger Stone was charged with lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstructing an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election!

 

 

 

No reason to get personal with your first sentence in the last paragraph.  
 

—please point me to the charge/conviction of someone close to the campaign for obstruction or collusion from the Mueller investigation.   Mueller had u limited resources and time and couldn’t find one.   Maybe you have more info than he does.  Would love to see it.

 

—Trump is no longer a sitting President, TNG is.  Why hasn’t the the DOJ charged Trump or those around him with Obstruction of Justice related to “Russia investigation”.