Landlord Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Waldo said: I'm just stirring the pot. The political section consists of 4 or 5 people who attack and argue any rightist viewpoint, but call themselves moderates. Let's not act like this is the first instance where the liberal mob made conservatives feel awkward while eating their dessert. The comparison to a pipe bomb and ruining dinner is silly, but until they figure out the culprits, it's difficult to cast blame either way. Hmmm First of all, I can think @knapplc, myself, @Moiraine, @TGHusker, @Clifford Franklin, @StPaulHusker, @BigRedBuster, @commando, @ZRod and a few others who frequent this section. So that's at least 9 not including Ric Flair and #MAGA co. Second of all, all those people attacking any rightist viewpoint is inaccurate. There are pro life people in that group. There are second amendment supporters in that group. There are people that lean towards limited/smaller government in that group. There are people who believe in free market and free trade in that group. There are people opposed to single payer healthcare in that group. So on and so forth. Third of all, all those people calling themselves moderates is also inaccurate. Some are self-described liberals. Some are moderate. Some are more conservative. Most are independent, which is not the same thing as moderate. I, for example, am independent but lean quite progressive overall. But, because I am an independent, I am not beholden to all ideas just because they are put out by the supposed "liberal" party in power, and reject any I don't think are proper. The liberal "mob" right now is the same thing that the moral majority and the whole white Christian nuclear family in the suburbs social dynamic was for decades. It's the dominant accepted social narrative going about it's business and vilifying/dismissing anyone seen as archaic or not keeping up with its status quo. I don't actually even like it that much - my friends very often have to listen to me go on rants about social media groupthink and self righteous virtue signaling crusaders of whatever hot topic. Thing is, though, the triggered 'snowflake' conservatives who can intuitively feel their social standing and relevance and power slip away made this bed for themselves by doing the exact same thing to minorities, to LGBTQ people, to atheists, to so on and so forth for way too long. 2 Link to comment
Ric Flair Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, knapplc said: Whoosh. People seeking asylum should not be treated as "invaders" and should be allowed human dignity and a respite. That is the lowest of low bars we can set. Whoosh. Now that liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally, they are virtually all claiming they are seeking asylum. Weeping and gnashing of teeth about how borders are mean doesn’t solve the problem. Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, Ric Flair said: Now that liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally, they are virtually all claiming they are seeking asylum. No, they aren't. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 10:32 PM, knapplc said: Next question, Rick. Should Donald Trump have encouraged his sycophantic extremists by saying he would pay their legal bills if they roughed up his political opponents? Since @Ric Flair has returned to P&R after a brief hiatus, let's continue with these questions. Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Now that liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally, they are virtually all claiming they are seeking asylum. You need to show your work on this one, chief 2 Link to comment
Ric Flair Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, knapplc said: No, they aren't. http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/09/data-indicates-illegal-immigrants-exploiting-u-s-asylum-policies-false-claims/ Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, Ric Flair said: http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/09/data-indicates-illegal-immigrants-exploiting-u-s-asylum-policies-false-claims/ This article offers no proof that "liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally." Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/09/data-indicates-illegal-immigrants-exploiting-u-s-asylum-policies-false-claims/ Linking an article from an extreme right publication will not help your cause here Link to comment
Ric Flair Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, knapplc said: This article offers no proof that "liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally." https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/25/lawyers-coach-illegal-immigrant-caravan/ Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, Ric Flair said: https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/25/lawyers-coach-illegal-immigrant-caravan/ This article offers no proof that "liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally." Link to comment
Ric Flair Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, StPaulHusker said: Linking an article from an extreme right publication will not help your cause here Are the numbers incorrect? If not, then the publication that published them is irrelevant. Link to comment
Ric Flair Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, knapplc said: This article offers no proof that "liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally." Quote Among the marchers are immigration lawyers, who will advise the migrants on the best way to submit asylum applications to U.S. immigration authorities, according to Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice (CLUE), one of the participating groups. Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/25/lawyers-coach-illegal-immigrant-caravan/ Another far right publication. Try again 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: Are the numbers incorrect? If not, then the publication that published them is irrelevant. The numbers are irrelevant to your statement that "liberal activists are coaching migrants" Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 There's literally an ABC camera crew traveling with the caravan and there's been no mention of the "getting coached" conspiracy. Here's a fact sheet: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/oct/22/politifact-sheet-what-we-know-about-caravan-headin/ Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: People seeking asylum are not coming here illegally. This article offers no proof that "liberal activists are coaching those coming here illegally." Link to comment
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