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1 minute ago, It'sNotAFakeID said:

Overall, this is a 6 of one, half dozen of the other type deal.

 

We don't know what would have happened in the other situations because they didn't play out. Take the starter out early and the bullpen could've imploded. Keep him in and he could have imploded. Pitch Gomes and he could've sent them down 1-2-3. Pitch Schanaman and he could have given up the 4 runs.

 

All that is known is that Nebraska lost after being up 3 with 3 outs left. The odds of winning at that point are high and they failed. Why they failed is anyone's opinion. 

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8 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said:

Not worth it, puts go ahead runner on base instead of him being at the plate for a potential out.

 

But you’re talking about the best HR hitter on a team that’s one of the tops in the nation at offense. 

 

We had an open base and two outs, right? You have to put him on if you’re going to insist on using a fastball throwing closer. 

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17 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

But you’re talking about the best HR hitter on a team that’s one of the tops in the nation at offense. 

 

We had an open base and two outs, right? You have to put him on if you’re going to insist on using a fastball throwing closer. 

My ESPN3 feed cut out but was it first and third with NU up by 2 when the HR was hit?  You would walk the tying run into scoring position and put the lead run on base to face another potent hitter in the Okie State lineup?

 

EDIT: Saw on Twitter that the situation was first and second. Those recommending walking a guy to put the tying run at 2nd base is just laughable. 

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NU was 29-0 leading after 8 innings this season. What happened tonight was an outlier against one of the best hitting teams in the country. 

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Honestly I'm not sure why everyone is so fascinated with pitching. The bats going ice cold once we got into their pen is more concerning for me. This is the type of team you have to continue putting runs on when you're up and tonight we found out why.

 

Not really sure about the armchair quarterbacking going on. We went with our best guy against their best guy(s) and they won. Gomes is just a true freshman. Sh#t happens.

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24 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

But you’re talking about the best HR hitter on a team that’s one of the tops in the nation at offense. 

 

We had an open base and two outs, right? You have to put him on if you’re going to insist on using a fastball throwing closer. 

Also the guy up next already homered in the game.

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Baseball is one sport where the head coach/manager gets way too much blame when things go poorly (and too much credit when things go well). Baseball coaches are romanticized about being great tacticians or strategists. The coach can do everything “right” and it can be the “wrong”

decision because of the failure of the players. It’s that way because there is so much down time during games that it gives time for every single decision to be second-guessed by the fans and media, at all levels of play.

 

My son has been playing competitive baseball for the past 5 years. I think I have a good understanding of the game.  I have been the fan/parent second guessing coach’s decisions and I have been part of the coaching staff making those decisions. Just yesterday, my son’s team was up 5-4 in a game, and we put in a pitcher who usually does a good job keeping the ball down and inducing ground balls. Yesterday, his pitches were up in the zone, he was hit hard, and before we knew it, our team was down 7-5, and we lost 8-5.  Our coaching acumen had nothing to do with the win or loss of that game.  It was a kid who wasn’t at the peak of his game, and other kids performed better than them.

 

Nebraska had one pitcher who pitched the game of his life for 7+ innings, and then had one pitcher who had the worst game of his season 1 inning later. Erstad and Silva has nothing to do with the success of either player, once those pitches were being thrown and the batters were doing the hitting. 

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31 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Baseball is one sport where the head coach/manager gets way too much blame when things go poorly (and too much credit when things go well). Baseball coaches are romanticized about being great tacticians or strategists. The coach can do everything “right” and it can be the “wrong” 

decision because of the failure of the players. It’s that way because there is so much down time during games that it gives time for every single decision to be second-guessed by the fans and media, at all levels of play. 

 

My son has been playing competitive baseball for the past 5 years. I think I have a good understanding of the game.  I have been the fan/parent second guessing coach’s decisions and I have been part of the coaching staff making those decisions. Just yesterday, my son’s team was up 5-4 in a game, and we put in a pitcher who usually does a good job keeping the ball down and inducing ground balls. Yesterday, his pitches were up in the zone, he was hit hard, and before we knew it, our team was down 7-5, and we lost 8-5.  Our coaching acumen had nothing to do with the win or loss of that game.  It was a kid who wasn’t at the peak of his game, and other kids performed better than them. 

 

Nebraska had one pitcher who pitched the game of his life for 7+ innings, and then had one pitcher who had the worst game of his season 1 inning later. Erstad and Silva has nothing to do with the success of either player, once those pitches were being thrown and the batters were doing the hitting.  

 

That's about where I come down too after sleeping on it and I watch a LOT of baseball.

 

It's really easy to second guess every single decision last night. But in the end Erstad did what 95% of coaches would've done and we got bit. Sometimes you put your good against their good and it doesn't work.

 

I think it just stings more and thus made everyone more salty about it because it's an old Big 12 foe and on paper everyone knows they're better than us.

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The above two quotes are were I come down on things.  I rolled things around in my head wondering if Gomes should've thrown a few more first pitch curveballs but eventually I came down on the side of, "He's a freshman and if he's going to go down, I want him to go down with his best pitch."  I mean...Gomes throws mid 90s guys you still gotta square that heat up.  If he throws some curveballs and can't locate them who knows if he gets shook and all of a sudden can't throw strikes.  That being said, about the only thing I would've liked to see Gomes do is start Boone off with a curveball or a high fastball way out of the zone.  You knew he was sitting fastball and I felt they could've used Boone's aggressiveness against him.

 

I feel terribly for Waldron he threw an absolute gem against a stacked lineup and totally dominated them.  Today is going to be a tricky day.  UConn has really found their offense and NU needs a big time effort out of Eddins.  If Eddins can duplicate his effort against Arizona State--6ip 3ER I would take that in a heartbeat and trust that NU's bats can do some damage against UConn.  I expect UConn will probably throw Dunlop tomorrow and he had a pretty nice effort against Wichita State last time out.  If NU is down late that'll be tough because UConn has their hammer closer Wallace available who hasn't thrown yet this regional.  

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Gomes has been our closer all year.  He has the best ERA in the pen.  In 21 innings, he had given up a total of three extra-base hits - all doubles.  There was absolutely no reason not to go to him.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

NU was 29-0 leading after 8 innings this season. What happened tonight was an outlier against one of the best hitting teams in the country. 

 

Obviously Erstad had been screwing up all year and had just been that lucky to get away with it.

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2 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Baseball is one sport where the head coach/manager gets way too much blame when things go poorly (and too much credit when things go well). Baseball coaches are romanticized about being great tacticians or strategists. The coach can do everything “right” and it can be the “wrong”

decision because of the failure of the players. It’s that way because there is so much down time during games that it gives time for every single decision to be second-guessed by the fans and media, at all levels of play.

 

My son has been playing competitive baseball for the past 5 years. I think I have a good understanding of the game.  I have been the fan/parent second guessing coach’s decisions and I have been part of the coaching staff making those decisions. Just yesterday, my son’s team was up 5-4 in a game, and we put in a pitcher who usually does a good job keeping the ball down and inducing ground balls. Yesterday, his pitches were up in the zone, he was hit hard, and before we knew it, our team was down 7-5, and we lost 8-5.  Our coaching acumen had nothing to do with the win or loss of that game.  It was a kid who wasn’t at the peak of his game, and other kids performed better than them.

 

Nebraska had one pitcher who pitched the game of his life for 7+ innings, and then had one pitcher who had the worst game of his season 1 inning later. Erstad and Silva has nothing to do with the success of either player, once those pitches were being thrown and the batters were doing the hitting. 

 

I'm sorry, but that's every sport. 

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26 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

I'm sorry, but that's every sport. 

You’re not wrong, but especially college sports. We don’t want to blame kids, so we blame the adults (coaches). 

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58 minutes ago, Xmas32 said:

The above two quotes are were I come down on things.  I rolled things around in my head wondering if Gomes should've thrown a few more first pitch curveballs but eventually I came down on the side of, "He's a freshman and if he's going to go down, I want him to go down with his best pitch."  I mean...Gomes throws mid 90s guys you still gotta square that heat up.  If he throws some curveballs and can't locate them who knows if he gets shook and all of a sudden can't throw strikes.  That being said, about the only thing I would've liked to see Gomes do is start Boone off with a curveball or a high fastball way out of the zone.  You knew he was sitting fastball and I felt they could've used Boone's aggressiveness against him. 

 

I feel terribly for Waldron he threw an absolute gem against a stacked lineup and totally dominated them.  Today is going to be a tricky day.  UConn has really found their offense and NU needs a big time effort out of Eddins.  If Eddins can duplicate his effort against Arizona State--6ip 3ER I would take that in a heartbeat and trust that NU's bats can do some damage against UConn.  I expect UConn will probably throw Dunlop tomorrow and he had a pretty nice effort against Wichita State last time out.  If NU is down late that'll be tough because UConn has their hammer closer Wallace available who hasn't thrown yet this regional.   

 

This is reasonable. Everything you said is reasonable, IMO. Somebody said Gomes missed his spot. I don't know if that's true, but that makes sense. Although he was throwing a lot of first pitch fastballs that were catching a lot of plate to get ahead in the count last night.

 

The bolded is what we'll never know. Maybe he didn't have his curveball last night or something. I agree out of the zone or offspeed should've been the plan.

 

But when you go out with your best relief pitcher throwing his best pitch, you've got to just tip your cap. Sh#t just didn't go our way last night. No two ways about it.

 

Let's go score some runs today!

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4 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

This is reasonable. Everything you said is reasonable, IMO. Somebody said Gomes missed his spot. I don't know if that's true, but that makes sense. Although he was throwing a lot of first pitch fastballs that were catching a lot of plate to get ahead in the count last night.

 

The bolded is what we'll never know. Maybe he didn't have his curveball last night or something. I agree out of the zone or offspeed should've been the plan.

 

But when you go out with your best relief pitcher throwing his best pitch, you've got to just tip your cap. Sh#t just didn't go our way last night. No two ways about it.

 

Let's go score some runs today!

 

this makes it sound as if he was wild in the strike zone. and that is rarely a good thing. pitching is like real estate; location, location, location.

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27 minutes ago, desertshox said:

 

this makes it sound as if he was wild in the strike zone. and that is rarely a good thing. pitching is like real estate; location, location, location. 

 

Absolutely. The polar opposite of Waldron last night, who was hitting every spot perfectly until he started to fatigue in the 8th.

 

Kid's a true freshman and he was put in an enormous pressure spot and just made one mistake (two I guess if you count the walk). Colby's still got enormous potential as a pitcher. He was hitting 96 last night. That's major league heat.

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After the first 2 batters got on you could see Gomes' body language showed he knew he wasn't feeling it last night. Just wasn't his night

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Not sure if this was mentioned but Gomes is he threw 17 pitches prior to facing the best HR hitter in the Big 12... All 17 pitches were fastballs. So Boone has watch 17 pitches and seen exactly what Gomes brings to the table. He was sitting on 1st pitch fastball and was trying to crank one out. Which is exactly what happened. 

 

My issue is pitch call. I don’t care if he throws a curve or change in the dirt, you can’t let an incredible hitter see the pitch he’s sitting on right out of the gate. It was like batting practice 

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1 hour ago, Swiv3D said:

After the first 2 batters got on you could see Gomes' body language showed he knew he wasn't feeling it last night. Just wasn't his night

He pitched the day before, plays 1B, has to run between the bullpen and the on-deck circle in the 8th, etc., fatigue may have been a factor. :dunno Not to mention pitching out of the stretch knocked 3-5 MPH off his heater.

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29 minutes ago, HuskersNC949597 said:

He pitched the day before, plays 1B, has to run between the bullpen and the on-deck circle in the 8th, etc., fatigue may have been a factor. :dunno Not to mention pitching out of the stretch knocked 3-5 MPH off his heater.

Everyone's tired, Waldron pitched 120+. Losing the mental game is what costs you at this stage of the season, and he was visibly getting frustrated with himself. Also his speed wasn't the problem, it was where the pitches were being placed. Like I said, not every night is your night and I think he knew he just didn't have it dialed in after a couple batters

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If, in 2059, we are sent to a Regional with UConn, we should just refuse to go. The drilled us 15-0 in 1979 to end our season, and this season-ending loss doesn't look like it'll be much better.

 

In two games this weekend against these guys we've given up 38 hits.

 

 

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