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27 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

You know who is in my personal orbit? My brother-in-law., the former CEO of a major pharmaceutical company. He worked directly with Dr. Fauci and the Bush administration on the SARS outbreak. He tells me not to under-estimate the loathing scientists and private industry have for a President who doesn't understand a f#&%ing thing he's talking about, sows mistrust of science to the American people, and plays politics with people's lives.  He was a lifelong Republican until this. Now he's dedicating every fiber of his being to defeating Trump. Good man.

 

Say, you know who had some solid economic achievements despite his critics?

 

Hitler.

 

Enjoy your day. 

Was waiting for a Hitler reference.  It’s usually the go-to for people like you.  Play fast and loose with the Holocaust.  How noble of you. 
 

So ask your  brother-in-law what he feels about the speed of this vaccine development.  Ask him if this could happen without administration help.  Ask him if the decision to build out manufacturing capability alongside development is something his old pharma company would do on their own.  Ask him where the SARS vaccine is if you say any administration would have achieved this milestone this fast.  It’s not quite apples to apples but he will understand the point.  Ask him if any President knows much of anything about actual medicine.  ( hint they don’t) but they do know and learn about process.   Ask him if today’s news is one  possible reason pharma execs despise Trump.  Ask him what private practice doctors actually think about Obamacare.  
 My experience says any CEO mostly likes or dislikes a politician based on the politician views of the industry the CEO works in.  
 

if he really was the CEO of a Major Pharma company, ask him how many people he laid off during mergers and acquisitions of other smaller pharma companies and what his parachute was when he left? 
 

he’s also currently wasting his time devoting every fiber in his being to defeat Trump.  Trump already lost.  
 

 

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15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Was waiting for a Hitler reference.  It’s usually the go-to for people like you.  Play fast and loose with the Holocaust.  How noble of you. 
 

So ask your  brother-in-law what he feels about the speed of this vaccine development.  Ask him if this could happen without administration help.  Ask him if the decision to build out manufacturing capability alongside development is something his old pharma company would do on their own.  Ask him where the SARS vaccine is if you say any administration would have achieved this milestone this fast.  It’s not quite apples to apples but he will understand the point.  Ask him if any President knows much of anything about actual medicine.  ( hint they don’t) but they do know and learn about process.   Ask him if today’s news is one  possible reason pharma execs despise Trump.  Ask him what private practice doctors actually think about Obamacare.  
 My experience says any CEO mostly likes or dislikes a politician based on the politician views of the industry the CEO works in.  
 

if he really was the CEO of a Major Pharma company, ask him how many people he laid off during mergers and acquisitions of other smaller pharma companies and what his parachute was when he left? 
 

he’s also currently wasting his time devoting every fiber in his being to defeat Trump.  Trump already lost.  
 

 

 

 

One man's Hitler is another man's Hillary.

 

My previous post speaks for itself.

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8 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Care to join the conversation?

I'm not even sure I know where the conversation is at this point.  However, I will say that I was wrong about this virus in the beginning.  I'm taking it much more seriously now and have been for some time.  I go to work M-F at a small office and that's about it these days.

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1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

Ya, I didn’t think you have been curious enough to ask those questions.   You wouldn’t have liked the answers.  

 

{SiGH} Sure. I'll play along.

 

My BIL's situation was somewhat different. His company already made a drug that had proven effective in that particular SARS scare, so the Bush administration was working with them to secure a huge stockpile at a lowballed price. But it was an opportunity to work closely with the government and regulatory agencies on various pandemic scenarios. That SARS episode went away without inducing a panic. We always made fun of my brother-in-law because he kept warning us that a devastating global pandemic was inevitable. But each time the threat petered out, and we just thought he was paranoid.

 

So yeah, as a high level pharmaceutical exec, he's keenly aware of the red tape and hoops the FDA makes private industry jump through. Which is why he's also appreciative that the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization allowed COVID-19 vaccines to get fast-tracked. But nobody at that level assumes an Obama or Bush administration wouldn't have pushed for the same allowance. It's what you do in a pubic health crisis. 

 

As you may recall, Donald Trump was also lobbying these companies to announce a vaccine before the election to serve his political purposes, but the drug companies and FDA erred on the side of safety and efficacy. Of course he accused them of an anti-Trump agenda for doing so. 

 

Everybody at the FDA and BIg Pharma understood the history of hydroxychloroquine in helping treat lupus and malaria, and as a potential aid in certain COVID cases. But they also thought Trump was totally irresponsible in his public shilling of s#!t he knew nothing about. No respected professional considered hydroxy a cure, much less bleach. 

 

Respected professionals were also in agreement that dismantling the pandemic response team was a bad idea. So was ignoring the pandemic playbook Obama had provided. It's a matter of public record that Trump has been non-stop in undermining COVID concerns and sensible directives that could have saved thousands of live. Respected medical professionals as well as most sentient mammals considerTrump's flouting of science, facts, and evidence to be an embarrassment to America.

 

My BIL retired with a nice parachute, having left the company better than he found it.  Don't know how many people he laid off in his tenure. He's still an industry consultant. Not sure how any of that makes your point. 

 

Again, our vindictive and pathologically insecure President is currently staging a coup, and he's counting on the willfully ill-informed to join him. I will personally and sincerely thank him for Project Warp Speed when he's safely in jail. 

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On 11/18/2020 at 7:20 AM, Frott Scost said:


This s#!t along with the anti-vaxxers and their claim that Bill Gates has put a chip in the vaccine so he can spy on their measly, trailerpark lives as they swing around their smart phones (which is actually tracking you) is why this country will never get out of this pandemic. 

 

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32 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

{SiGH} Sure. I'll play along.

 

My BIL's situation was somewhat different. His company already made a drug that had proven effective in that particular SARS scare, so the Bush administration was working with them to secure a huge stockpile at a lowballed price. But it was an opportunity to work closely with the government and regulatory agencies on various pandemic scenarios. That SARS episode went away without inducing a panic. We always made fun of my brother-in-law because he kept warning us that a devastating global pandemic was inevitable. But each time the threat petered out, and we just thought he was paranoid.

 

So yeah, as a high level pharmaceutical exec, he's keenly aware of the red tape and hoops the FDA makes private industry jump through. Which is why he's also appreciative that the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization allowed COVID-19 vaccines to get fast-tracked. But nobody at that level assumes an Obama or Bush administration wouldn't have pushed for the same allowance. It's what you do in a pubic health crisis. 

 

As you may recall, Donald Trump was also lobbying these companies to announce a vaccine before the election to serve his political purposes, but the drug companies and FDA erred on the side of safety and efficacy. Of course he accused them of an anti-Trump agenda for doing so. 

 

Everybody at the FDA and BIg Pharma understood the history of hydroxychloroquine in helping treat lupus and malaria, and as a potential aid in certain COVID cases. But they also thought Trump was totally irresponsible in his public shilling of s#!t he knew nothing about. No respected professional considered hydroxy a cure, much less bleach. 

 

Respected professionals were also in agreement that dismantling the pandemic response team was a bad idea. So was ignoring the pandemic playbook Obama had provided. It's a matter of public record that Trump has been non-stop in undermining COVID concerns and sensible directives that could have saved thousands of live. Respected medical professionals as well as most sentient mammals considerTrump's flouting of science, facts, and evidence to be an embarrassment to America.

 

My BIL retired with a nice parachute, having left the company better than he found it.  Don't know how many people he laid off in his tenure. He's still an industry consultant. Not sure how any of that makes your point. 

 

Again, our vindictive and pathologically insecure President is currently staging a coup, and he's counting on the willfully ill-informed to join him. I will personally and sincerely thank him for Project Warp Speed when he's safely in jail. 

So if we aren’t talking about him developing a vaccine for SARS, which we aren’t cause there wasn’t one,  then you could be referencing an antiviral which means he was CEO of something like Genentech, Merck, one of the previous companies that make up present day AbbVie but that wouldn’t make sense because none were really major companies in the space.  
Or you could be referencing corticosteroids, most likely Dexamethasone which is the most potent.  Then it could be a variety of companies.  
 

either way, good for him.  As CEO of any of those companies, he would have walked away with $30+million parachute.  People like him work very hard.  I’m not smart enough for a job like that and I couldn’t stomach all the ‘ cost synergies’ decisions they make after mergers. 
 

I wonder why Bush didn’t make an Operation Warp Speed program?  Same with Obama and H1N1?  

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It should be noted that we didn't need a SARS vaccine because Bush hadn't dismantled or politicized the CDC, allowing them to successfully combat the outbreak before it could reach pandemic status.

 

 

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CDC’s response to SARS during the 2003 outbreak

CDC worked closely with WHO and other partners in a global effort to address the SARS outbreak of 2003. For its part, CDC took the following actions:

  • Activated its Emergency Operations Center to provide round-the-clock coordination and response.
  • Committed more than 800 medical experts and support staff to work on the SARS response.
  • Deployed medical officers, epidemiologists, and other specialists to assist with on-site investigations around the world.
  • Provided assistance to state and local health departments in investigating possible cases of SARS in the United States.
  • Conducted extensive laboratory testing of clinical specimens from SARS patients to identify the cause of the disease.
  • Initiated a system for distributing health alert notices to travelers who may have been exposed to cases of SARS.

 

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4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

I wonder why Bush didn’t make an Operation Warp Speed program?  Same with Obama and H1N1?  

 

Because neither needed to cover their a$$ after hamstringing the CDC. They just... let the experts do their jobs. Duh.

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4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

It should be noted that we didn't need a SARS vaccine because Bush hadn't dismantled or politicized the CDC, allowing them to successfully combat the outbreak before it could reach pandemic status.

 

 

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I think Guy’s BIL could attest to this (maybe I’m wrong about what I’m about to say) the CDC didn’t necessarily combat the disease into oblivion.  The disease kinda died out thankfully  even to the surprise of lead scientists.  
 

I definitely could be misremembering finer details though 

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