The 2024 Presidential Election- The LONG General Election

[BigRedBuster]

It is absolutely amazing to me that we are living in America and this is the leader of a major party. 
 

Great Job Republicans.  Thank Hod I’m no longer one of you.  
 

 

[TGHusker]

Big donors heading towards Haley as their "not a trump' alternative

 

https://www.ft.com/content/53c3bd51-678e-490b-b089-a0d35a0941d7

 

 

 

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Nikki Haley’s strong performances in the Republican presidential debates have won over several of the party’s big donors and intrigued other Wall Street figures this week, as she swung through New York seeking moneyed backers who want an alternative to Donald Trump. The former US ambassador to the UN drew big names to New York events on Tuesday, among them a small meet-and-greet breakfast with financiers including BlackRock chief executive Larry Fink, and an evening fundraiser co-hosted by former Goldman Sachs president Gary Cohn. Billionaire investor Stanley Druckenmiller, traditionally a big GOP donor, announced his support on Monday and New York-based donor Eric Levine said he would host a fundraiser for Haley in early December with Elliott Management executive Terry Kassel and Annie Dickerson, who has close ties with Elliott president Paul Singer. Big donors have praised Haley’s foreign policy nous, electability and more moderate stance on abortion compared with that espoused by some of her Republican rivals. Levine told the Financial Times that Haley had a “muscular foreign policy”, a “positive view of America”, a “rational position on abortion” — and “she’s not Donald Trump, who will lose”. “Come on in, Paul,” Levine half-joked, referring to Singer. “The water’s fine.” A series of New York Times/Siena College polls across Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania in October showed Haley beating President Joe Biden in each of the six states that will be critical in deciding next year’s election. Haley’s average performance among registered voters — 46 per cent for her and 38 per cent for Biden — was stronger than that for Florida governor Ron DeSantis, her nearest competitor, and former president Trump. JPMorgan Chase chief executive Jamie Dimon, a Democrat, has held several phone calls with Haley and been impressed with her intelligence, reasonableness and open-mindedness, according to a person familiar with the conversations. Axios reported on Tuesday that Dimon “believes she has the potential to bring the country together”. “Nikki is on fire,” said Bill Strong, an investor and Haley donor. “She has earned it.” Haley also appears to be benefiting from the decision by Tim Scott, a one-time donor darling, to drop out of the race. Cohn had previously hosted a fundraiser for Scott; Levine was also a supporter of the South Carolina senator. A spokesperson for Cohn said he had hosted “several such events” and was “interested in giving candidates a chance to have their policy platforms heard and to have a discussion on smart economic policies”. Meanwhile, pro-Haley groups are outspending pro-DeSantis groups on advertisements, according to AdImpact, even though the Florida governor’s donors have raised much more money this election cycle. Haley’s campaign had $11.5mn on hand at the end of September and will launch a $10mn ad campaign in Iowa and New Hampshire — two states critical to the early stages of next year’s Republican primary race — starting in the first week of December. Many wealthy financiers have been reluctant to back a Republican candidate given Trump’s strong lead in polls of likely primary voters. The former president is ahead of his GOP rivals in the early states — Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina — by almost 30 points. Will Hurd, a former presidential candidate who supports Haley, told the FT that it was time for donors to make up their minds. “We need the donors that have been on the sidelines, who want to see an alternative [to] Donald Trump,” Hurd said. “Now is the time to get in this race.”

 

[DevoHusker]

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

Ok....she convinced me.  

 

 

[TGHusker]

12 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

 

 

So that begs the question - Will Uncle Joe step aside and could Newsom beat Trump or Haley for president?  (Ok 2 questions but only 1 question mark)

[DevoHusker]

2 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

So that begs the question - Will Uncle Joe step aside and could Newsom beat Trump or Haley for president?  (Ok 2 questions but only 1 question mark)

 

Pure speculation on whether that happens, but this could be the start of opening that door.

 

Newsom would probably garner votes from younger Ds or Independents...but probably not from many right of center given the media coverage on the woes in California, deserved or not.

[funhusker]

52 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

 

Pure speculation on whether that happens, but this could be the start of opening that door.

 

Newsom would probably garner votes from younger Ds or Independents...but probably not from many right of center given the media coverage on the woes in California, deserved or not.

These folks probably aren't voting for Biden either.

 

 

[DevoHusker]

51 minutes ago, funhusker said:

These folks probably aren't voting for Biden either.

 

 

 

True that

[Lorewarn]

2 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

 

Pure speculation on whether that happens, but this could be the start of opening that door.

 

Newsom would probably garner votes from younger Ds or Independents...but probably not from many right of center given the media coverage on the woes in California, deserved or not.

 

 

Across the board, nobody is stealing MAGA votes in any big way, but if there's anyone who could actually make a dent it's probably Newsome. Dude is entirely fearless and more than glad to jump into the right wing media ecosystem (and usually to the result of something like going on Hannity and all of Hannity's youtube followers commenting, 'I love Sean but Gavin absolutely schooled him this time'), oozes charisma and is next to impossible to pin down with a 'gotcha' or soundbyte argument. 

 

I've learned to never trust anyone that charismatic in a position of power but he's about as good as we've seen in terms of speaking, confidence and likability.

[BigRedBuster]

37 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Across the board, nobody is stealing MAGA votes in any big way, but if there's anyone who could actually make a dent it's probably Newsome. Dude is entirely fearless and more than glad to jump into the right wing media ecosystem (and usually to the result of something like going on Hannity and all of Hannity's youtube followers commenting, 'I love Sean but Gavin absolutely schooled him this time'), oozes charisma and is next to impossible to pin down with a 'gotcha' or soundbyte argument. 

 

I've learned to never trust anyone that charismatic in a position of power but he's about as good as we've seen in terms of speaking, confidence and likability.

I agree with this...except, I can't imagine him taking much from MAGA.  I could see him getting the vast majority of everyone else...which, would win him the election.

 

The guy comes to the table with facts and can very well articulate them to destroy other's arguments.  

 

MAGAt's heads would explode if we elected the governor of that cesspool of liberal devil worshiping...California.

[TGHusker]

So @teachercd now that Tim Scott is out of the running - who are you leaning towards?

[TGHusker]

Another one of those meaningless, too far out, doesn't matter polls.   Hailey appears to be catching fire.

 

 

https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/marquette-law-school-national-survey-finds-biden-trailing-three-gop-opponents.php

 

 

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MILWAUKEE – A new Marquette Law School Poll national survey of registered voters finds President Joe Biden trailing against each of the top three potential Republican candidates, with former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley leading Biden 55% to 45% among registered voters. Former President Trump leads Biden 52% to 48% in the same category, while Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis holds a 51% to 49% advantage.

Among likely voters, Haley sees her advantage rise to 12 percentage points at 56-44. The Biden-DeSantis hypothetical does not change with likely voters, while Trump’s support decreases to 51% against Biden’s 49%.

These results include initially undecided voters who were then asked to choose one of the candidates.

Among registered Republican voters, Trump maintains a substantial lead over all others in the primary field for the GOP nomination, with 54% of the total. DeSantis and Haley are tied at 12%. That represents a rise for Haley and a decline for DeSantis since March. No other candidate has more than 4% support in the current poll.

The survey was conducted Nov. 2-7, 2023, interviewing 856 registered voters nationwide, with a margin of error of +/-4.5 percentage points. For likely voters, the sample size is 668, with a margin of error of +/-5 percentage points.

The Marquette Law School Poll has seen a close race between Trump and Biden among registered voters since May, with the trend shown in Table 1. Among likely voters in September, Biden received 51% to Trump’s 49%. Likely voters results are not available for earlier polls. (All results in the tables are stated as percentages; the precise wording of the questions can be found in the online link noted above.)

 

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 11/17/2023 at 9:04 AM, DevoHusker said:

 

Pure speculation on whether that happens, but this could be the start of opening that door.

 

Newsom would probably garner votes from younger Ds or Independents...but probably not from many right of center given the media coverage on the woes in California, deserved or not.

 

Could be a calculated trial balloon, or Joe rambling off the cuff. My bet would be the latter, but it's worth watching. 

[DevoHusker]

 

 

[nic]

Honest question since this topic is mostly Democrat posters, and I see the Newsome discussion above. What are your odds that Biden is the Dem nominee next fall?