OTHusker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Teen-Arrested-for-Attack-on-81-Year-Old-Man-Wearing-MAGA-Hat-Prosecutors-506454691.html%3famp=y 81 year old maga hat wearer assaulted by 19 year old is this a big deal? probably not so much uncool yes, life threatening ? Probably not But let’s be honest here, put the shoe on the other foot and see all the news outlets, politicians and talk show guys respond if instead the headline was: 81 year old black obama supporter with blm shirt on attacked by white 19 year old in target parking lot- fight over blm shirt be honest- what would the narrative be and how widespread would the coverage be? would there not be Coast to coast outrage and publicity and a call to action? Wouldnt this man be interviewed and be the face of oppression? The lesson is there are a few idiots on both sides yet the mainstream media, politicians and talk show guys makes a huge deal about the assault on one side while it’s crickets on the other very telling 2 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 54 minutes ago, OTHusker said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Teen-Arrested-for-Attack-on-81-Year-Old-Man-Wearing-MAGA-Hat-Prosecutors-506454691.html%3famp=y 81 year old maga hat wearer assaulted by 19 year old is this a big deal? probably not so much uncool yes, life threatening ? Probably not But let’s be honest here, put the shoe on the other foot and see all the news outlets, politicians and talk show guys respond if instead the headline was: 81 year old black obama supporter with blm shirt on attacked by white 19 year old in target parking lot- fight over blm shirt be honest- what would the narrative be and how widespread would the coverage be? would there not be Coast to coast outrage and publicity and a call to action? Wouldnt this man be interviewed and be the face of oppression? The lesson is there are a few idiots on both sides yet the mainstream media, politicians and talk show guys makes a huge deal about the assault on one side while it’s crickets on the other very telling But yet you linked a news article reporting on it. 2 1 Link to comment
OTHusker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: But yet you linked a news article reporting on it. Was this being heavily reported in the major media ? tv? opinion shows? mentioned by late night talk show guys? front page of your local newspaper? are we seeing the constant reruns everywhere like the “racist” harassment of a Native American like in the covington student hoax? really think about it do you really think in your heart of hearts that both events would be given equal coverage if the difference was the label on the hat or shirt? Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, OTHusker said: Was this reported on the major media ? tv? opinion shows? mentioned by late night talk show guys? front page of your local newspaper? really think about it do you really think in your heart of hearts that both events would be given equal coverage if the difference was the label on the hat or shirt? The only reason why the teenagers in Washington blew up like it did was because of social media where the video went viral. Is there a video of this that is going viral? Link to comment
OTHusker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Always seems to be an excuse did the conservative college kid getting beat up at Berkeley make big news any talk shows other than fox? any late night ? how about all the trump supporters being hunted down and beat up after his rallies? where was the outrage and publicity? If the shoe was on the other foot a near national emergency would have been called 2 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 You're really trying hard to be offended by this. 2 Link to comment
funhusker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 53 minutes ago, OTHusker said: Always seems to be an excuse did the conservative college kid getting beat up st Berkeley make big news any talk shows other than fox? any late night ? how about all the trump supporters being hunted down and beat up after his rallies? where was the outrage and publicity? If the shoe was on the other foot a near national emergency would have been called https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2017-hate-crime-statistics-released-111318 This story was probably neglected from the media for the same reason almost all of the above hate crimes were ignored by the media: there are a lot of bad things that happen everyday and the media can't cover them all. They usually latch on to "high profile" or "viral" cases. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protesters-assault-trump-supporters-eggs-bottles-punches-after-rally-n585096 And yes, "mainstream" media did cover Trump fans being assaulted after rallies. 1 1 Link to comment
Landlord Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The media bias is towards whatever will draw more attention and viewers and clicks. In that case, an old MAGA guy getting punched by a kid will not be as much of a news story as a minority being attacked by a white person. Of course that's true. Moving on. Link to comment
OTHusker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Landlord said: The media bias is towards whatever will draw more attention and viewers and clicks. In that case, an old MAGA guy getting punched by a kid will not be as much of a news story as a minority being attacked by a white person. Of course that's true. Moving on. That may be true but why, really want to know ? why would an 81 year old white guy being attacked by a Hispanic male somehow be less heinous or newsworthy than an 81 year old black guy being attacked by a white person? 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, OTHusker said: That may be true but why, really want to know ? why would an 81 year old white guy being attacked by a Hispanic male somehow be less heinous or newsworthy than an 81 year old black guy being attacked by a white person? I don't think this has anything to do with it. With the kids in Washington, you had a kid who appeared to be taunting an elderly minority with a bunch of other kids behind him egging him on. This went viral with actual video of it. This went viral BEFORE news networks, talk shows, late night...etc. ever even mentioned it. The reason THEY mentioned it was because it went viral. Here, you have nothing other than a police report. You know what? There are LOTS of situations where idiots do mean or disrespectful things to minorities that don't get blown up on national news. There are LOTS of situations where liberal idiots do stupid things to MAGA people that don't get blown up on national news. Why??? Because for whatever reason, they don't end up on social media being thrown around. MAGA people are going to sit back and try their best to get offended by these things not blowing up on national news. They can be snowflakes all they want. Fact is, they are trying to make a problem up where there isn't one. 3 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Landlord said: The media bias is towards whatever will draw more attention and viewers and clicks. In that case, an old MAGA guy getting punched by a kid will not be as much of a news story as a minority being attacked by a white person. Of course that's true. Moving on. That could be true, but the existence of video footage is a FAR bigger variable in what gets news coverage. Also, minorities are far more likely to be victims of hate crimes than Whites, which is probably the best proxy we have for this type of harassment, so it makes sense to cover the thing that happens at a higher rate. (It’s also a higher total in the case of hate crimes). And ya, it’s not a great proxy, and it’s often not about race, but there’s no way to get data on people being harassed or slapped or whatever because most if it goes unreported. But back to the most important factor - they’re gonna go with the story that has video footage 99 times out of 100. If they have video footage of 7 minorities and 3 White people getting attacked, the story is gonna be about one of the minorities most of the time. Link to comment
OTHusker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I might add that MANY headlines dont tell the whole story- its bias by omission Like the commonly held belief that hate crimes are on the rise Not necessarily true : https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/18/jussie-smollett-hate-crime-hoax-empire But despite Trump's very real history of making disparaging remarks about all kinds of people, there is not a lot of statistical evidence to support the notion that hate crimes are surging. While it's true that the FBI's count of hate crimes rose 17 percent from 2016 to 2017, it's important to note that 1,000 additional agencies reported information to the FBI in the latter year. It should go without saying, but as the number of agencies participating in the FBI's count of hate crimes grows more numerous, the total number of hate crimes will undoubtedly rise. This does not necessarily mean that hate crimes are surging—just that the authorities undercounted them previously. Statistics, of course, are easily mischaracterized. A few months ago, many in the media became obsessed with a figure from the Anti-Defamation League, which purportedly showed that anti-Semitism had spiked a whopping 57 percent under Trump. But part of that statistic reflected an increase in bomb threats against U.S.-based Jewish institutions perpetrated by just one person: a deranged Israeli teenager. Anti-Semitic violence, according to the ADL's count, actually decreased 47 percent. A CNN article shows hate crimes trending steadily down from 1996 to its latest data of 2014 https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/health/hate-crimes-tracking-history-fbi/index.html 1 Link to comment
Landlord Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, OTHusker said: I might add that MANY headlines dont tell the whole story- its bias by omission I'd love for you to apply this similar filter of skepticism to claims and ideas about the violent libs, BLM, etc. 4 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I think one of the most convincing and heartbreaking examples of why Black Lives Matter matters, is the discrepancy between how the entire media landscape covers missing children. When a white girl goes missing, it can dominate an entire news cycle. Several black or latina kids may go missing during the same news cycle and not register so much as a blip. Imagine growing up knowing that America doesn't care if something horrible happens to you, but drops everything to find the little white girl. http://journalismcenter.org/when-a-child-dies/missing-white-girl.html 6 Link to comment
OTHusker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, Landlord said: I'd love for you to apply this similar filter of skepticism to claims and ideas about the violent libs, BLM, etc. Please expand upon your original premise " The media bias is towards whatever will draw more attention and viewers and clicks. In that case, an old MAGA guy getting punched by a kid will not be as much of a news story as a minority being attacked by a white person. Of course that's true. Moving on." Why would our society think one is more important than the other, when they are both really bad? See Guy Chamberlins post on the media caring more about lost white girls vs lost black girls- both are bad Link to comment
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