Tim Beck

[HuskerShark]

Understand what? Has a valid point been made?

 

Martinez isn't a top 5 qb in NU history. Plain and simple.

 

No, I probably wouldn't put him in the top 5. He probably fits in around the 7-9 spot.

[NebraskaHarry]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say most here would say Tommie was the best QB in Nebraska history. The only real difference between Tommie and Martinez at this point... Championships. Otherwise how anyone can say Martinez is not one of the best (ONE OF THE BEST) is beyond me. Done.

[husker_99]

point was that Crouch didn't start for 4 years like Martinez or Frazier.

 

Neither did TD Tommie.

Ok i was wrong.

[B.B. Hemingway]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say most here would say Tommie was the best QB in Nebraska history. The only real difference between Tommie and Martinez at this point... Championships. Otherwise how anyone can say Martinez is not one of the best (ONE OF THE BEST) is beyond me. Done.

 

I'd take Crouch over Frazier.... Frazier was the most accomplished, however....

[husker_99]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say most here would say Tommie was the best QB in Nebraska history. The only real difference between Tommie and Martinez at this point... Championships. Otherwise how anyone can say Martinez is not one of the best (ONE OF THE BEST) is beyond me. Done.

I don't think you are even a real Husker fan.

[Amac3309]

Understand what? Has a valid point been made?

 

Martinez isn't a top 5 qb in NU history. Plain and simple.

 

No, I probably wouldn't put him in the top 5. He probably fits in around the 7-9 spot.

 

7-9 now? Based on if his career is over now or what you think he will do next year, just curious what would happen of he goes out next year and finishes top 10 in heisman voting and we go to the rose bowl, then where would he go?

 

Just curious

[Count 'Bility]

Name me 5 clear cut, better QB's that Nebraska has had?

 

Tagge

Humm

Ferragamo

Gill

S. Taylor

Frazier

Berringer

Frost

Crouch

 

Next group down

Lord

Ganz

Z. Taylor

Quinn

McCant

 

I would put Taylor in with the 2nd group

With all due respect, what did Berringer, Humm, and Ferragamo do that was so impressive as compared to guys like Jamall Lord, Joe Ganz, and Zach Taylor. Give Jamal Lord the o-line and backs and defense that Frazier and Crouch had, and he would be known as the best ever. Same goes for Taylor and Ganz.

 

Brook Berringer was a great human being. A tremendous leader and did his job nearly perfectly. But as a brutally honest assessment, he did nothing as a qb to deserve to be mentioned as an all-time great. One of our most remembers players? Yes. Straight up as a quarterback? I would put Lord ahead of him. Lord did a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot less. Berringer managed games and kept mistakes down and the team leaned on Lawrence Phillips, the Oline and the blackshirts.

 

Now imagine if Martinez could manage a game and keep mistakes down. I was just grouping guys off the top of my head. Not putting them in any sort of order.

 

I agree with you that Lord was not as bad as many feel he was. In terms of a qb I would gladly take those guys over Martinez. That is just my opinion based on what I have seen. Martinez was such a great leader he wore jeans and a flannel to the award banquet. Rex wore a tie. Martinez isn't the leader of our team.

Imagine the amount of interceptions that Frazier, Crouch and Frost wouldve thrown if they played in this system. Imagine if they had to press the issue week in and week out because of the faults of the other parts of the team for 4 quarters. This is the difference. this is my point. We're judging the legacy of a quarterback-of one player-based on the success of a team that requires the play of 21+ other players.

 

Hedley, judging Taylor's leadership quality based on what he wear's to the team's awards banquet and comparing it to one of the greatest leaders in our program's history because he chose to wore a tie is just fricking stupid.

 

I wear jeans to church. Does that make me less of a father or person? Give me a break.

[B.B. Hemingway]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say most here would say Tommie was the best QB in Nebraska history. The only real difference between Tommie and Martinez at this point... Championships. Otherwise how anyone can say Martinez is not one of the best (ONE OF THE BEST) is beyond me. Done.

I don't think you are even a real Husker fan.

 

But his name is Nebraska-Harry

[Hedley Lamarr]

Understand what? Has a valid point been made?

 

Martinez isn't a top 5 qb in NU history. Plain and simple.

 

I never said he was top 5. I just said he was one of our best, and he is.... There is no arguing that. (but you'll try)....

 

You said try to name 5 better, that wasn't difficult. If by one of our best you mean top 15 yeah I could agree with that

[Count 'Bility]

 

point was that Crouch didn't start for 4 years like Martinez or Frazier.

Exactly. Further supporting your point there.

[B.B. Hemingway]

Understand what? Has a valid point been made?

 

Martinez isn't a top 5 qb in NU history. Plain and simple.

 

I never said he was top 5. I just said he was one of our best, and he is.... There is no arguing that. (but you'll try)....

 

You said try to name 5 better, that wasn't difficult. If by one of our best you mean top 15 yeah I could agree with that

 

, I'd place him between 5-7 right now....No way he falls from the top 10, and he could jump into the top 5 easily with a conference championship, and BCS bowl win next year....(Should I even mention the possiblity of a National Championship?)....

[HuskerShark]

Understand what? Has a valid point been made?

 

Martinez isn't a top 5 qb in NU history. Plain and simple.

 

No, I probably wouldn't put him in the top 5. He probably fits in around the 7-9 spot.

 

7-9 now? Based on if his career is over now or what you think he will do next year, just curious what would happen of he goes out next year and finishes top 10 in heisman voting and we go to the rose bowl, then where would he go?

 

Just curious

 

If he puts up similar numbers to this year, makes a few key spectacular plays, wins a B1G championship, and is a finalist for the Heisman.... WhichI think is all a very plausible situation.... In my mind, he would probably sit right behind Frazier, Crouch, and Gill for best Husker QBs all-time. So #4. I'm not sure if there is a possibility for him to get past those 3 guys.

[NebraskaHarry]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say most here would say Tommie was the best QB in Nebraska history. The only real difference between Tommie and Martinez at this point... Championships. Otherwise how anyone can say Martinez is not one of the best (ONE OF THE BEST) is beyond me. Done.

I don't think you are even a real Husker fan.

Define a real Husker fan?

[Count 'Bility]

Name me 5 clear cut, better QB's that Nebraska has had?

 

Tagge

Humm

Ferragamo

Gill

S. Taylor

Frazier

Berringer

Frost

Crouch

 

Next group down

Lord

Ganz

Z. Taylor

Quinn

McCant

 

I would put Taylor in with the 2nd group

With all due respect, what did Berringer, Humm, and Ferragamo do that was so impressive as compared to guys like Jamall Lord, Joe Ganz, and Zach Taylor. Give Jamal Lord the o-line and backs and defense that Frazier and Crouch had, and he would be known as the best ever. Same goes for Taylor and Ganz.

 

Brook Berringer was a great human being. A tremendous leader and did his job nearly perfectly. But as a brutally honest assessment, he did nothing as a qb to deserve to be mentioned as an all-time great. One of our most remembers players? Yes. Straight up as a quarterback? I would put Lord ahead of him. Lord did a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot less. Berringer managed games and kept mistakes down and the team leaned on Lawrence Phillips, the Oline and the blackshirts.

Sorry but Brook Berringer would be a starting qb somewhere else. He was that good. Back up qb's don't lead teams to undefeated seasons cause mostly they don't have the experience or not ready. Now when we had our 3rd string qb in then we leaned on our running game more.

Cody Green was the starter elsewhere as well. The point is, Berringer never did anything that made a guy say "wow". Martinez did that a few times this year. In 1994, if our defense faulters one little bit, we lose to Kansas St. We lose to Iowa St. We lose to Oklahoma. And we lose to Miami (but wouldnt've played Miami). That is the point here. Berringer had a lot more to rely on. He managed the games tremendously within the plan. Martinez had to make plays and throws when he had to because of the faults and shortcomings of our defense.

[Hedley Lamarr]

Understand what? Has a valid point been made?

 

Martinez isn't a top 5 qb in NU history. Plain and simple.

 

No, I probably wouldn't put him in the top 5. He probably fits in around the 7-9 spot.

 

7-9 now? Based on if his career is over now or what you think he will do next year, just curious what would happen of he goes out next year and finishes top 10 in heisman voting and we go to the rose bowl, then where would he go?

 

Just curious

 

If he puts up similar numbers to this year, makes a few key spectacular plays, wins a B1G championship, and is a finalist for the Heisman.... WhichI think is all a very plausible situation.... In my mind, he would probably sit right behind Frazier, Crouch, and Gill for best Husker QBs all-time. So #4. I'm not sure if there is a possibility for him to get past those 3 guys.

 

The last 3 seasons haven't taught you that we won't do that next season? We have even more question marks on Defense next season with massive amounts of Freshman that will have to play. Our record will have 4 losses on it maybe an extra one. I don't expect us to magically beat all these teams at the end of the game next season.