Ranking Big 10 coaches - Bo # 7

[The Dude]

Talent is a big part of it, obviously. But the other big piece of the puzzle is coaching staff. The '09-'10 defenses were great, but the staff that produced them is long gone. It takes a huge leap to believe that Bo will just wave his wand and be able to produce dominant defenses like that again.

[Goal-line]

Yet, quality players are choosing other schools. We have had quality players leave the program. Go to a K-State practice some time. You will not hear coaches, especially the head coach, yelling and screaming profanities. You do not dare take your kids to an NU practice. End of story.

 

1. Your first two sentences are true of every single top-tier program in the country. Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Notre Dame and all the others have quality players choose other schools over them, and also have quality players leave their programs.

 

2. Okay, sure, let's compare to Kansas State. Nevermind that Bill Snyder might be the only example (if not the only then one of five) in the country that don't swear and yell. Also never mind that Kansas State doesn't recruit quality players, literally half of your incessant argument. They are an enigma wrapped in anomaly and the only school of their nature in the country.

 

 

 

Gimmicks do not cover up the inability to recruit and develop. Pretty simple, really!

 

Can you explain to me with a direct response how exactly you explain the development and improvement of Eric Hagg, Dejon Gomes, Prince Amukamara, Alfonzo Dennard, Ndamukong Suh, Cody Glenn, Matt O'Hanlon, Larry Asante and Philip Dillard as a few examples? All of these guys played under the Callahan regime and under Bo's, and all showed dramatic improvement between coaching staffs and also between years.

 

Explain this. Please.

 

Also explain why you are so unimpressed with our recruiting when, the national rankings of the last two seasons seem right on line with the level that Nebraska has always recruited at:

 

2012: 19th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 30th between different sources

2013: 14th, 15th, 15th, 17th, 22nd between different sources

 

1991: 28th

1992: 14th, 14th, 10th

1993: 18th

1994: 20th

1995: 8th, 11th

1996: 9th, 10th

1997: 19th

1998: 17th

1999: 17th

 

So you're so upset about our awful recruiting even though it is just one tiny sliver behind the level that we recruited at during our most dominant stretch in college football history. O k a y.

 

Easy to answer the first question. One word, Cosgoove!

 

 

For your second observation, you hit the nail right on the head. Talked yourself right into this one. It all falls back on what you do with your recruiting class. Develop the kids you have. It was what made Dr. Tom's teams so great. They worked their rears off in the weight room and on the scout team just so they would have an opportunity to play their Junior and Senior years. Why was Dr. Tom able to do what he did with regards to developing players? Because he had the support staff who could get the job done. Which, brings us back to Papuchis on the D side of the ball, and a few others, Barney Cotton being one on the O side of the ball. Callahan could recruit. But, and his staff did not develop the talent. Same thing goes for Pelini.

 

Did yo happen to read Sipple's article today? "Personally, I think the No. 1 thing you have to be able to do is evaluate and project -- especially at our place," says the sixth-year Nebraska football coach. "You're going to have to be able to project what (players are) going to become two, three years down the road.

 

And, you might have to just get them here first.

[EZ-E]

Yet, quality players are choosing other schools. We have had quality players leave the program. Go to a K-State practice some time. You will not hear coaches, especially the head coach, yelling and screaming profanities. You do not dare take your kids to an NU practice. End of story.

 

1. Your first two sentences are true of every single top-tier program in the country. Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Notre Dame and all the others have quality players choose other schools over them, and also have quality players leave their programs.

 

2. Okay, sure, let's compare to Kansas State. Nevermind that Bill Snyder might be the only example (if not the only then one of five) in the country that don't swear and yell. Also never mind that Kansas State doesn't recruit quality players, literally half of your incessant argument. They are an enigma wrapped in anomaly and the only school of their nature in the country.

 

 

 

Gimmicks do not cover up the inability to recruit and develop. Pretty simple, really!

 

Can you explain to me with a direct response how exactly you explain the development and improvement of Eric Hagg, Dejon Gomes, Prince Amukamara, Alfonzo Dennard, Ndamukong Suh, Cody Glenn, Matt O'Hanlon, Larry Asante and Philip Dillard as a few examples? All of these guys played under the Callahan regime and under Bo's, and all showed dramatic improvement between coaching staffs and also between years.

 

Explain this. Please.

 

Also explain why you are so unimpressed with our recruiting when, the national rankings of the last two seasons seem right on line with the level that Nebraska has always recruited at:

 

2012: 19th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 30th between different sources

2013: 14th, 15th, 15th, 17th, 22nd between different sources

 

1991: 28th

1992: 14th, 14th, 10th

1993: 18th

1994: 20th

1995: 8th, 11th

1996: 9th, 10th

1997: 19th

1998: 17th

1999: 17th

 

So you're so upset about our awful recruiting even though it is just one tiny sliver behind the level that we recruited at during our most dominant stretch in college football history. O k a y.

 

Easy to answer the first question. One word, Cosgoove!

 

 

For your second observation, you hit the nail right on the head. Talked yourself right into this one. It all falls back on what you do with your recruiting class. Develop the kids you have. It was what made Dr. Tom's teams so great. They worked their rears off in the weight room and on the scout team just so they would have an opportunity to play their Junior and Senior years. Why was Dr. Tom able to do what he did with regards to developing players? Because he had the support staff who could get the job done. Which, brings us back to Papuchis on the D side of the ball, and a few others, Barney Cotton being one on the O side of the ball. Callahan could recruit. But, and his staff did not develop the talent. Same thing goes for Pelini.

 

Did yo happen to read Sipple's article today? "Personally, I think the No. 1 thing you have to be able to do is evaluate and project -- especially at our place," says the sixth-year Nebraska football coach. "You're going to have to be able to project what (players are) going to become two, three years down the road.

 

And, you might have to just get them here first.

 

I'm trying to grasp your arguments. Here is what I think I'm getting????

 

1) We haven't been recruiting well??????????????

 

2) We haven't developed the players we have??????????????

 

3) We don't have the staff to do these things?????????????

 

Is that what you are saying?????????????

[walksalone]

Talent is a big part of it, obviously. But the other big piece of the puzzle is coaching staff. The '09-'10 defenses were great, but the staff that produced them is long gone. It take a huge leap to believe that Bo will just wave his wand and be able to produce dominant defenses like that again.

 

And then some...

 

Those 09-10 defenses might be as good as the Blackshirts that were helping to win Nat'l Titles in the mid 90's...

[whateveritis1224]

The no. 1 thing Bo needs to do is figure out how to stop a flood when the damn gets a crack and starts leaking (Miller's run last year, Abdullah's fumble last year in the Capitol One bowl, and the Hail Mary the year before). Seems like one thing goes wrong with this team, and then they start pressing and making more mistakes. We sort of corrected that during the last 6 games of the regular season where we were behind in the 2nd half in 4 of the 6 games. But that was also against teams who had less talent than we did.

 

I'm confident for this year because our offense last year made fools of a lot of good defenses last year (rushing for over 300 yards against Michigan State is the most impressive performance), and we're just going to have even more weapons, an even more experienced OL, and a QB who's been in the system for 3 years. As long as we keep from shooting ourselves in the foot, it's going to be absolutely deadly. The defense should at least be a little more athletic.

[NUinID]

The no. 1 thing Bo needs to do is figure out how to stop a flood when the damn gets a crack and starts leaking (Miller's run last year, Abdullah's fumble last year in the Capitol One bowl, and the Hail Mary the year before). Seems like one thing goes wrong with this team, and then they start pressing and making more mistakes. We sort of corrected that during the last 6 games of the regular season where we were behind in the 2nd half in 4 of the 6 games. But that was also against teams who had less talent than we did.

 

I'm confident for this year because our offense last year made fools of a lot of good defenses last year (rushing for over 300 yards against Michigan State is the most impressive performance), and we're just going to have even more weapons, an even more experienced OL, and a QB who's been in the system for 3 years. As long as we keep from shooting ourselves in the foot, it's going to be absolutely deadly. The defense should at least be a little more athletic.

 

Very good point. about stopping the flood. All teams get beat bad sometimes, but it does seem to happen a lot under BP lately. A lot of times it comes down to one guy making a play that stops the other team. NU hasn't had enough of that lately.

[Junior]

Just checked the NFL draft. 174 taken, not one from Nebraska. Tell me again how we are recruiting quality players and how Pelini develops players? You could not be more wrong! It is an embarrassing joke.

 

 

 

Tell me again how players that we recruited in 2008 are representative of the quality of player that we are recruiting now in 2013?

 

2008 Nebraska #30 according to Rivals. (Only 5* recruit of Bo's career, Baker Steinkuhler, goes undrafted)

2009 #28

2010 #22

2011 #15

2012 #25

2013 #17

 

So... yea... Pardon me for not jumping for joy. We finish the season ranked where the recruiting rankings put us: upper teens - mid 20s.

[Goal-line]

Yet, quality players are choosing other schools. We have had quality players leave the program. Go to a K-State practice some time. You will not hear coaches, especially the head coach, yelling and screaming profanities. You do not dare take your kids to an NU practice. End of story.

 

1. Your first two sentences are true of every single top-tier program in the country. Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Notre Dame and all the others have quality players choose other schools over them, and also have quality players leave their programs.

 

2. Okay, sure, let's compare to Kansas State. Nevermind that Bill Snyder might be the only example (if not the only then one of five) in the country that don't swear and yell. Also never mind that Kansas State doesn't recruit quality players, literally half of your incessant argument. They are an enigma wrapped in anomaly and the only school of their nature in the country.

 

 

 

Gimmicks do not cover up the inability to recruit and develop. Pretty simple, really!

 

Can you explain to me with a direct response how exactly you explain the development and improvement of Eric Hagg, Dejon Gomes, Prince Amukamara, Alfonzo Dennard, Ndamukong Suh, Cody Glenn, Matt O'Hanlon, Larry Asante and Philip Dillard as a few examples? All of these guys played under the Callahan regime and under Bo's, and all showed dramatic improvement between coaching staffs and also between years.

 

Explain this. Please.

 

Also explain why you are so unimpressed with our recruiting when, the national rankings of the last two seasons seem right on line with the level that Nebraska has always recruited at:

 

2012: 19th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 30th between different sources

2013: 14th, 15th, 15th, 17th, 22nd between different sources

 

1991: 28th

1992: 14th, 14th, 10th

1993: 18th

1994: 20th

1995: 8th, 11th

1996: 9th, 10th

1997: 19th

1998: 17th

1999: 17th

 

So you're so upset about our awful recruiting even though it is just one tiny sliver behind the level that we recruited at during our most dominant stretch in college football history. O k a y.

 

Easy to answer the first question. One word, Cosgoove!

 

 

For your second observation, you hit the nail right on the head. Talked yourself right into this one. It all falls back on what you do with your recruiting class. Develop the kids you have. It was what made Dr. Tom's teams so great. They worked their rears off in the weight room and on the scout team just so they would have an opportunity to play their Junior and Senior years. Why was Dr. Tom able to do what he did with regards to developing players? Because he had the support staff who could get the job done. Which, brings us back to Papuchis on the D side of the ball, and a few others, Barney Cotton being one on the O side of the ball. Callahan could recruit. But, and his staff did not develop the talent. Same thing goes for Pelini.

 

Did yo happen to read Sipple's article today? "Personally, I think the No. 1 thing you have to be able to do is evaluate and project -- especially at our place," says the sixth-year Nebraska football coach. "You're going to have to be able to project what (players are) going to become two, three years down the road.

 

And, you might have to just get them here first.

 

I'm trying to grasp your arguments. Here is what I think I'm getting????

 

1) We haven't been recruiting well??????????????

 

2) We haven't developed the players we have??????????????

 

3) We don't have the staff to do these things?????????????

 

Is that what you are saying?????????????

 

 

If you can read, you are correct.

[EZ-E]

 

My thoughts on the 08 and 09 recruiting class are very well documented and I'm not going to go down that road again.

 

Going with your arguments, not that I agree with them in the slightest, just wanna point out the double standard if you will, you would have to give credit to the staff for game planning appropriately in order to beat teams that had more NFL caliber players.

 

Lets get something straight here and now, there is NFL talent on our roster. There are guys that will get their shot, but they were either not eligible for the draft or they weren't seniors and decided to stay.

[Count 'Bility]

Besides, Bo himself has all but said that not all the best players played last year. He flat out said that he redshirted some guys that he regretted doing so. He's planning for the future, but at the expense of the present.

[The Dude]

Besides, Bo himself has all but said that not all the best players played last year. He flat out said that he redshirted some guys that he regretted doing so. He's planning for the future, but at the expense of the present.

He's planning for. . .2016?

 

When we have a loaded offense with a 4-year starter at QB coming back, and an extremely favorable schedule, that should be the year to plan for.

[Count 'Bility]

Besides, Bo himself has all but said that not all the best players played last year. He flat out said that he redshirted some guys that he regretted doing so. He's planning for the future, but at the expense of the present.

He's planning for. . .2016?

 

When we have a loaded offense with a 4-year starter at QB coming back, and an extremely favorable schedule, that should be the year to plan for.

The PRESENT was in context of last season. No, not at the expense of this season.

[The Dude]

Besides, Bo himself has all but said that not all the best players played last year. He flat out said that he redshirted some guys that he regretted doing so. He's planning for the future, but at the expense of the present.

He's planning for. . .2016?

 

When we have a loaded offense with a 4-year starter at QB coming back, and an extremely favorable schedule, that should be the year to plan for.

The PRESENT was in context of last season. No, not at the expense of this season.

But it will be at the expense of this season, since our defense will be very inexperienced. 2016 is when we should enjoy the benefit of redshirting those players.