Rewatched Game- Defensive Thoughts

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Obviously you have to have the talent to run any scheme.

Exactly my point. When a team has an outstanding defense, do you remember the scheme they ran, or do you remember the players who made it happen?

 

 

Both.

Seriously, I'm having deja vu back to '07 and the "Coz Dialogues". Same ol', same ol'. They're gonna get it fixed, you know they are.

If we end up having a good season, nothing like the 2007 meltdown. Can we ban you?

[knapplc]

Dont have to spin anything, its blatantly obvious by your posting you have no idea whats going on, then you go on and admit it, yet spout off acting like you know something about football, when in reality, you looked at the score and the yards givin up and jumped to conclusions. Maybe before stating your opinion publicly you would, you know, actually watch how the game unfolded ONCE let alone two or three times, to see what really happened before you make stupid comments and make yourself look ignorant.

Yea, you remind me of that guy in red I sparred a few weeks back.

 

 

Cmon, you dont have to Einstein or even half awake watching that game to know the defense sucked. "Oh, we had 2 'good' qtrs of D' but then blew up again in the 4th. That's Pelini's M.O. But hey, you keep tellin' yourself, keep spinnin' it, keep rewatching the game and adjusting the stats you make yourself feel good about it. I hope UCLA goes easy on us and keeps it under 70--for your sake.

 

Let's tone this down, and if you want to continue focusing on each other, take it to the Woodshed.

 

We're discussing football here, not how much each other knows/doesn't know about football.

[ColoradoHusk]

I see some posts about the McBride defense attacking the spread defenses, punishing the QB, etc. Yes, we all love those glory days, but there is a huge difference between now and then. The proliferation of the mobile QB, who is able to also pass, is what makes the spread defenses so hard to defend. McBride was able to send Wistrom and company off the edges and attack Wuerfel because the QB was a statue. Without the fear of the QB taking off and run at any time, the defenses were able to attack more freely. With today's mobile QB's who can also throw, it's so much easier for them to move around in the backfield and make a pass to an open receiver down field. Smith from Wyoming did that countless times last week. Defenses today, have to play more contain/coverage, try to get pressure with their front 4, and try to limit the big plays in the secondary.

[HuskerFowler]

Hey, check this out, highspeed:

 

Total Defense NCAA Week 1

113 Nebraska 114 Ohio 115 Oregon St. 116 Nevada 117 New Mexico St.

 

http://www.ncaa.com/...rent/team/22/p3

 

We are in some good company, oh yea! Helluva showing for the 1st game of the year, I can see why Bo feels 'relaxed'(deluded) after watching the game film.

 

I know, we're the only team that has young players on D, all the top teams are fully loaded. And it was Wyoming, you know, they're good!

 

 

Let me know when you actually watched the second half of the game. You admitted you dont know what happened in the second half. So keep throwing your stats out there, your just proving to everyone you dont have a clue. Stats dont tell the whole story, We dropped in AP poll because 99% of voters did not watch the game, kind of like you, they see the stats and dont understand what happened. Im not spinning or making excuses. The reality of the situation is this. If the offense scores instead of calling a QB sneak, or throwing an INT, or getting a 3rd a 4 with 2 minutes to go, we give up 14 less points and almost 200 less yards. Watch how the last 6 minutes unfolded. If our offense does its job we go up by 24 with 5 minutes left. Instead they get a 4th down stop get momentum and with 2 good throws they are with in 3 points. Our offense again has a chance to end the game and we cant get a first down. So we give them the ball back with a minute to go...they get about 25 yards with the game on the line.

 

 

 

Our offense had THREE chances to hold the ball or score to put the game out of reach. Due to conservative play calling (admitted by Beck), that didnt happen. The defense is a big work in progress , but iwasnt as bad as the yards and points indicated. Our offense does its job, just one out of three times and the game is well out of reach. This put the defense is a bad postion, ie...giving them the ball at midfield with 6 minutes to go after an INT, when we were driving, in the red zone, ready to put the game out of reach up 24. Final score should have been 40-21 with a FG 44-21 with a TD and the games over.

 

Score of the OSU Buffalo game was 40-20. Espn headline...OSU rolls buffalo.

[BOurNe sUpremacy]

Obviously you have to have the talent to run any scheme.

Exactly my point. When a team has an outstanding defense, do you remember the scheme they ran, or do you remember the players who made it happen?

 

 

Both.

Seriously, I'm having deja vu back to '07 and the "Coz Dialogues". Same ol', same ol'. They're gonna get it fixed, you know they are.

 

If they recruited the guys who can get it done, it will be fixed. If they didn't recruit the guys who can get it done, it won't be fixed.

Makes alotta sense, yea. But I don't think we want to be responsible for revisiting the recruiting issue, the guys who like stars, the guys who hate 'em and love a 'walk on's heart'...blah blah blah. No, we dont wanna go there.

[BOurNe sUpremacy]

Obviously you have to have the talent to run any scheme.

Exactly my point. When a team has an outstanding defense, do you remember the scheme they ran, or do you remember the players who made it happen?

 

 

Both.

Seriously, I'm having deja vu back to '07 and the "Coz Dialogues". Same ol', same ol'. They're gonna get it fixed, you know they are.

 

I doubt many people said that about Cosgrove. That guy was pure idiot and had never fielded a competent defense in his life. Bo and Co. have.

So how come there is more than a little stir on the boards right now about, "we gotta pony up more $ and hire a good DC? Which I think is hilarious considering Bo is supposed to be that guy.

[TheSker]

The proliferation of the mobile QB, who is able to also pass, is what makes the spread defenses so hard to defend. McBride was able to send Wistrom and company off the edges and attack Wuerfel because the QB was a statue. Without the fear of the QB taking off and run at any time, the defenses were able to attack more freely. With today's mobile QB's who can also throw, it's so much easier for them to move around in the backfield and make a pass to an open receiver down field. Smith from Wyoming did that countless times last week. Defenses today, have to play more contain/coverage, try to get pressure with their front 4, and try to limit the big plays in the secondary.

Another example involving a Smith was in 1997.....a championship year for us. We destroyed Peyton Manning and the Vols in the bowl game, but Brad Smith gave our defense fits in that Missouri game (the Flea Kicker game).

[BOurNe sUpremacy]

Hey, check this out, highspeed:

 

Total Defense NCAA Week 1

113 114 115 116 117

 

 

We are in some good company, oh yea! Helluva showing for the 1st game of the year, I can see why Bo feels 'relaxed'(deluded) after watching the game film.

 

I know, we're the only team that has young players on D, all the top teams are fully loaded. And it was Wyoming, you know, they're good!

 

 

Let me know when you actually watched the second half of the game. You admitted you dont know what happened in the second half. So keep throwing your stats out there, your just proving to everyone you dont have a clue. Stats dont tell the whole story, We dropped in AP poll because 99% of voters did not watch the game, kind of like you, they see the stats and dont understand what happened. Im not spinning or making excuses. The reality of the situation is this. If the offense scores instead of calling a QB sneak, or throwing an INT, or getting a 3rd a 4 with 2 minutes to go, we give up 14 less points and almost 200 less yards. Watch how the last 6 minutes unfolded. If our offense does its job we go up by 24 with 5 minutes left. Instead they get a 4th down stop get momentum and with 2 good throws they are with in 3 points. Our offense again has a chance to end the game and we cant get a first down. So we give them the ball back with a minute to go...they get about 25 yards with the game on the line.

 

 

 

Our offense had THREE chances to hold the ball or score to put the game out of reach. Due to conservative play calling (admitted by Beck), that didnt happen. The defense is a big work in progress , but iwasnt as bad as the yards and points indicated. Our offense does its job, just one out of three times and the game is well out of reach. This put the defense is a bad postion, ie...giving them the ball at midfield with 6 minutes to go after an INT, when we were driving, in the red zone, ready to put the game out of reach up 24. Final score should have been 40-21 with a FG 44-21 with a TD and the games over.

 

Score of the OSU Buffalo game was 40-20. Espn headline...OSU rolls buffalo.

Dude, we're talking about Wyoming here, I'm not going to sit around ruminating over game film trying to break down what happened, unless somebody wants to pay me I kinda gestalted the thing while watching it and trying not to laugh. Oh, the hype leading into the game about the D 'talent'. Yea, k. After 4 qtrs of football in '13, not 2 qtrs, not 1 qtr, 4 full qtrs, we are near last in the country in D. I hope they get better.

 

Fortunately, the O provided some real entertainment.

[MichiganDad3]

Addison, it's perfectly acceptable to take out outliers/anomalies as a separate way to analyze data. If a running back runs 25 times a game for 100 yards, but one of those runs was for 75 yards, that means the other 24 runs netted only 25 yards total (slightly over a yard per play). So yes, an "average" includes all the data, but if you really look at the data (in my scenario) you see that the running back really struggled save one play.

 

There's nothing wrong with that analysis as long as you don't discount other forms of data. Hell, even professional statistical analysts look at data without outliers or pure averages. True averages can be very misleading.

So in other words it's fine to be very optimistic by the fact that the final 6 or so minutes of ridiculous nonsense is covering up a decent body of work by the defense (or the whole team for that matter) the other 54 minutes of the game, yes?

I thought our body of work the 1st half was bad, regardless of 'pure' or 'impure' averages. I thought we were getting owned from the get go. The 3rd quarter was probably better, but I probably didnt notice cuz of the PTSD from the 1st half.. The interception in their redzone seemed to change the momentum greatly as we were sitting on a comfy lead and I actually cant recall the events leading to their 2 quick scores in the 4th, except they involved some long passes with some huge breakdowns in the 2ndary. The 4th qtr was kind of a blur to me.

now, see once we got to the second quarter, it appeared to me that the guys had "settled in" and become adjusted to that game speed for the first time. Wyoming scored at the beginning of the 2nd quarter and didnt score again till the end of the third. I thought the D played very well in those middles stages. Even Randy Gregory made his presence very known, even though it will not go into the books.

I'll have to look at stats or rewatch the game, though I dont particularly want to. Seems like Wyo had more than their share of 8+ yd carries on the ground against us. What I'm getting at, is our DL is not a disruptive, run stuffing force. They were getting pushed around by friggin Wyo. What happens when UCLA rolls into town?

I Agree. It doesn't matter how many blitzes were called. This scheme stinks and needs to be changed to an attacking run stopping style.

[The Maudfather]

Wyoming 6th Drive - 9:16 2nd Quarter - 6 plays - Punt

1&10, -33 - Corner Blitz - Evans (possibly Santos as well); 0 yd rush

3&4, -39 - Six man blitz out of 3-3 look - Seisay, Santos & Gregory; -1 yd pass, offsetting penalties

3&4, -39 - Corner Blitz - Evans; Incomplete pass

 

So Mavric, you're basically telling me I either watched a different game or I don't know a blitz from a butterfly? Not saying you are not absolutely correct but, after viewing twice now, I would have to wager that we didn't blitz that often during the whole game let alone in only three series. Sonofabitch, now I gotta watch it again and will be hesitant to comment on any game until I've seen it 3 or 4 times. But seriously, thanks for proving I apparently don't know sh#t :-)

McKewon was on USC this afternoon, and he and Severe were saying that the D blitzed quite a bit, but the blitzes were uneffective. The guys were running into each other in the gaps or the players were getting good pressure, but Smith would elude them.

Actually, no. We rarely blitzed on Saturday. Just about every single play was a straight up Nickel, man under with two safeties over the top. I feel like we got decent pressure, but decent isn't going to cut it...it's also quite concerning that our pressure was just decent against a MWC school.

 

Thad Randle better get things figured out, otherwise, I doubt he is starting by midseason. Same goes for Andrew Green.

[StPaulHusker]

That's why I'm on about Zaire Anderson in other posts/threads. He looks like some of our old LBs, he has shown that kind of aggression, and he should have a chance to put that on display.

He will. Pap said Anderson didn't play because he struggles in the passing game.

If that's the case, he won't be playing against Southern Miss either

[MichiganDad3]

I see some posts about the McBride defense attacking the spread defenses, punishing the QB, etc. Yes, we all love those glory days, but there is a huge difference between now and then. The proliferation of the mobile QB, who is able to also pass, is what makes the spread defenses so hard to defend. McBride was able to send Wistrom and company off the edges and attack Wuerfel because the QB was a statue. Without the fear of the QB taking off and run at any time, the defenses were able to attack more freely. With today's mobile QB's who can also throw, it's so much easier for them to move around in the backfield and make a pass to an open receiver down field. Smith from Wyoming did that countless times last week. Defenses today, have to play more contain/coverage, try to get pressure with their front 4, and try to limit the big plays in the secondary.

Have you heard of Charlie Ward? I'm sure McBride faced plenty of mobile QBs.

[ColoradoHusk]

The proliferation of the mobile QB, who is able to also pass, is what makes the spread defenses so hard to defend. McBride was able to send Wistrom and company off the edges and attack Wuerfel because the QB was a statue. Without the fear of the QB taking off and run at any time, the defenses were able to attack more freely. With today's mobile QB's who can also throw, it's so much easier for them to move around in the backfield and make a pass to an open receiver down field. Smith from Wyoming did that countless times last week. Defenses today, have to play more contain/coverage, try to get pressure with their front 4, and try to limit the big plays in the secondary.

Another example involving a Smith was in 1997.....a championship year for us. We destroyed Peyton Manning and the Vols in the bowl game, but Brad Smith gave our defense fits in that Missouri game (the Flea Kicker game).

It was Corby Jones for Missouri in 1997, but it's exactly the same point. Smith destroyed Pelini's defense in the 2003 NU-Mizzou game.

[ColoradoHusk]

I see some posts about the McBride defense attacking the spread defenses, punishing the QB, etc. Yes, we all love those glory days, but there is a huge difference between now and then. The proliferation of the mobile QB, who is able to also pass, is what makes the spread defenses so hard to defend. McBride was able to send Wistrom and company off the edges and attack Wuerfel because the QB was a statue. Without the fear of the QB taking off and run at any time, the defenses were able to attack more freely. With today's mobile QB's who can also throw, it's so much easier for them to move around in the backfield and make a pass to an open receiver down field. Smith from Wyoming did that countless times last week. Defenses today, have to play more contain/coverage, try to get pressure with their front 4, and try to limit the big plays in the secondary.

Have you heard of Charlie Ward? I'm sure McBride faced plenty of mobile QBs.

McBride didn't have to face the plethora of mobile QB's that were able to run/pass with great efficiency. The mobile QB's were told to run option, not pass. That's what made Charlie Ward so special. Even with Alberts having an amazing game, Ward passed for nearly 300 yards in the Orange Bowl that year. That was in an era before silly, video game stats we see now.

[admo]

I see some posts about the McBride defense attacking the spread defenses, punishing the QB, etc. Yes, we all love those glory days, but there is a huge difference between now and then. The proliferation of the mobile QB, who is able to also pass, is what makes the spread defenses so hard to defend. McBride was able to send Wistrom and company off the edges and attack Wuerfel because the QB was a statue. Without the fear of the QB taking off and run at any time, the defenses were able to attack more freely. With today's mobile QB's who can also throw, it's so much easier for them to move around in the backfield and make a pass to an open receiver down field. Smith from Wyoming did that countless times last week. Defenses today, have to play more contain/coverage, try to get pressure with their front 4, and try to limit the big plays in the secondary.

 

That's true about mobile quarterbacks. For the most part, I think a mobile QB leans on running instincts to make plays than make accurate throws all game. I would prefer to keep a mobile QB frustrated by holding him under 50 yards rushing, and forced to make plays passing the ball. Braxton Miller for example. Denard Robinson another. If they have to beat us through the air, then I take those chances. The real tricky ones are guys like Brett Smith of WYO, UCLA's Brett Hundley, and Michigan's Devin Gardner. They are pretty accurate passers that can also extend drives and make some plays with their feet. It's not an easy job to say the least.