BigRedBuster Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I have no gripe with your post. My only point was that you talked about top ten classes and I wasn't talking about that. Quote Link to comment
GOAT Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If you want to win a national championship, you gotta consistently be in the Top 10. That should be our goal every single year. We have to break through and start landing more 4-and 5-star talent and not majority 3-star guys, and the only way that happens is if we have a coach who can coach up our current talent and have a great year (similar to what Tom Herman this past year) and create a buzz around the program that will get top recruits' attention, and then have elite recruiters who can actually land them. Hopefully the 2017 class will be the breakthrough we've been waiting for. Landing the Calabasas crew would be huge. 2 Quote Link to comment
cm husker Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I can name 20 teams that NU can't consistently out recruit while staying within the rules of the NCAA and common decency. Consistent top 10 recruiting is a pipe dream. What we do need and can obtain is top 10 coaching. And I have doubts that's what NU has now. 1 Quote Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If you want to win a national championship, you gotta consistently be in the Top 10. That should be our goal every single year. We have to break through and start landing more 4-and 5-star talent and not majority 3-star guys, and the only way that happens is if we have a coach who can coach up our current talent and have a great year (similar to what Tom Herman this past year) and create a buzz around the program that will get top recruits' attention, and then have elite recruiters who can actually land them. Hopefully the 2017 class will be the breakthrough we've been waiting for. Landing the Calabasas crew would be huge. We have actual proof, within our own program's history, that the bolded statement is B.S. What this program needs is to consistently land a class between 15-25, and an elite staff of talent developers.... Do we have that now? I don't know, it's too early to tell, but I do know that Riley was hired with his ability to develop talent in mind. 3 Quote Link to comment
marko polo Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Are you putting those in order of how they actually rank the classes or re-sorting them by average?I am simply going to the 247 team ranking for last year and looking at their average player rating. So, no it is not sorted by player rating. It's done on the class score like they typically rank their classes. Doing it that way doesn't really tell you anything because it's a crap shoot depending on how may guys the team that happened to end up in that spot signed. I took the Top 50 overall rated 2016 classes using the 247 Composite and re-sorted them by average star rating. The 15th best class was .8870 The 25th best class was .8738 The 35th best class was .8533 So there is a little more drop-off from 25-35 than from 15-25 but not much. Nebraska is #28 using that method, btw. I tried to do the same for 2015 but including the walk-ons makes a mess of it. true. But, one point I wanted to make is towards the people who get all worked up with the fact we have a 25th ranked team compared to 15th. The fact is, there might very well not be much difference in the quality of the recruits between the two. Maybe a school has more scholarships they can give out...etc. which propels them up the rankings. Fact is, once you get in that range, you have a pretty decent class. Fact is that is about the class we have been getting. We see how far that has taken us. BRB I think you lead the group in that ol bar lowering deal, spin and spin and spin. wtf???? Please explain to me the great difference in the quality of players on average in the 25th ranked class compared to the 15th ranked class? I would suggest a possible explanation for the difference between the observed success that schools with the 'top ten' level rated class recruiting averages and the rest NOT the average of the entire class. Rather, I think it is more then number of 'great' players at the school. By this I mean to suggest that , for example, while Alabama may have landed the top rated recruiting classes over the past 5 years, for example, which averaged 90.00 while the number the school such as Nebraska averaged number 29 in recruiting classes over the same period (scored @ 84.5), the difference between competing for titles and being where we are is NOT the bottom half of the recruiting classes (perhaps 3 star players for example) it is the number of 4 and 5 stars. I believe the great bulk of the 'great players' are 4 and 5 stars. Alabama likely has 20 'great' players while Nebraska has perhaps 4. That just won't cut it. I would further submit that if you took away the top 22 players from both Nebraska and Alabama, the remaining difference between players' average ratings would grow further. If you compared Nebraska's athletic 'talent' level in 1995, you would find our third string was better than our starters this year. Frankly, I believe the '95 team was the most talented college football team EVER. Even after 20 years, there have bene no other teams yet to rival the sheer depth and scope of football talent. But, the gap is getting much closer as the Alabamas, Ohio States and other 'elite' programs are gathering tremendous numbers of the very best players. I believe the 'haves' are getting richer and the have nots are getting poorer. The real risk is that Nebraska is very close to being on the outside looking in for the foreseeable future. The coming 5 years are critical in my view. We must break through and return to the top 10 probrams in that time or we likely won't ever get there again. An entire generation will have passed since our program was in fact elite. Far too many young people will not have any real idea of the Husker history, greatness and mystic. GBR ^ I couldn't have said it better. it is a cumulative thing. Quote Link to comment
marko polo Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I can name 20 teams that NU can't consistently out recruit while staying within the rules of the NCAA and common decency. Consistent top 10 recruiting is a pipe dream. What we do need and can obtain is top 10 coaching. And I have doubts that's what NU has now. well said! Quote Link to comment
GOAT Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 If you want to win a national championship, you gotta consistently be in the Top 10. That should be our goal every single year. We have to break through and start landing more 4-and 5-star talent and not majority 3-star guys, and the only way that happens is if we have a coach who can coach up our current talent and have a great year (similar to what Tom Herman this past year) and create a buzz around the program that will get top recruits' attention, and then have elite recruiters who can actually land them. Hopefully the 2017 class will be the breakthrough we've been waiting for. Landing the Calabasas crew would be huge. We have actual proof, within our own program's history, that the bolded statement is B.S. What this program needs is to consistently land a class between 15-25, and an elite staff of talent developers.... Do we have that now? I don't know, it's too early to tell, but I do know that Riley was hired with his ability to develop talent in mind. Not true. Over the past 15 years, the lowest-ranked team (in recruiting over a 4-year span) was Auburn, whose cumulative ranking over that span was 12. Not to mention they had a once in a generation QB in Cam Newton. Every other team to have won it all was Top 10 in recruiting. I forget who, but there was actually a poster here who did his own research and found what a drastic difference being in the Top 10 in recruiting is when it comes to winning championships. We might not have needed to have the absolute best recruiting classes years ago when Osborne was coaching, but it's a totally different ball game now. Quote Link to comment
GOAT Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I can name 20 teams that NU can't consistently out recruit while staying within the rules of the NCAA and common decency. Consistent top 10 recruiting is a pipe dream. What we do need and can obtain is top 10 coaching. And I have doubts that's what NU has now. I said the same thing recently and was told I haven't given Riley a chance to prove himself yet. I learned a lot when he passed up hiring Orgeron who would have been a slam-dunk. Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 If you want to win a national championship, you gotta consistently be in the Top 10. That should be our goal every single year. We have to break through and start landing more 4-and 5-star talent and not majority 3-star guys, and the only way that happens is if we have a coach who can coach up our current talent and have a great year (similar to what Tom Herman this past year) and create a buzz around the program that will get top recruits' attention, and then have elite recruiters who can actually land them. Hopefully the 2017 class will be the breakthrough we've been waiting for. Landing the Calabasas crew would be huge. We have actual proof, within our own program's history, that the bolded statement is B.S. What this program needs is to consistently land a class between 15-25, and an elite staff of talent developers.... Do we have that now? I don't know, it's too early to tell, but I do know that Riley was hired with his ability to develop talent in mind. Not true. Over the past 15 years, the lowest-ranked team (in recruiting over a 4-year span) was Auburn, whose cumulative ranking over that span was 12. Not to mention they had a once in a generation QB in Cam Newton. Every other team to have won it all was Top 10 in recruiting. I forget who, but there was actually a poster here who did his own research and found what a drastic difference being in the Top 10 in recruiting is when it comes to winning championships. We might not have needed to have the absolute best recruiting classes years ago when Osborne was coaching, but it's a totally different ball game now. Your sample size is only 15 data points; not exactly proof positive. And even if we could draw a strong conclusion, that data is for past events and does not necessarily apply to the future. Quote Link to comment
Lakehusker Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Brandon Drayton to Indiana Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 After the Farniok commitment, currently ranked #28 on 247 Quote Link to comment
Huskinator Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Imagine if we hit on Allen, Simmons, fitz, and Lamar Jackson! Perfect scenario Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Suddenly 25th on rivals. Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Add Jackson, Fitz, and Allen we are at 224 on the 247 composite ranking. That would have been 22nd last year. Toss on Simmons and we get to 228, or 21st last year. Quote Link to comment
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