So You're Telling Me...

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Per Dan Hoppen Tweet: Nebraska play calling this season:

 

Six wins: 56.2% runs, 43.8% passes

Seven losses: 40.7% runs, 59.3% passes

Honestly, I'm ok with either one of those ratios as long as we're winning. Give it some time and I think some of those 7 losses become wins sooner rather than later.

I should hope Purdue isn't ever a loss again.

 

But that said, will people be content with 3 to 4 losses a season?

All of the BOlievers were apparently content with it. Had a conversation with one of the relatives tonight who still wishes we had Bo. I asked him why, and the response was well the team never gave up on him. My response was the big ten title game vs Wisky or last year vs Wisky. He merely said that it wasn't bad coaching that it was just superior players.

 

Once again I asked how could a walk on from GI be the back up QB for this team. His response well that's not the coaches fault. I find myself having conversations with people like this more often then I'd like to. Not sure if they will ever get it.

Did he ask you about the 4 backup QBs + 1 starter on UNLs National Championship teams?

 

1970 - Van Brownson: Shenandoah, Ia.

1971 - Steve Runty: Ogallala, Nebraska

1994 - Matt Turman: Wahoo, Nebraska

1995 - Brook Berringer: Goodland KS

1997 - Scott Frost(STARTER): Wood River, Nebraska

 

But I suppose you're not a Devaney or Osborne supporter either.

 

Not always where you're from, it's how you party when you get there.

How many of those guys threw 4 INTs in a game? To compare Ryker with those last two guys is pretty laughable. Love the story but I doubt he'd be starting for many D-1 schools

Nor is he at Nebraska.

 

Where are you trying to go with this?

That the lack of depth we have at some positions is just maddening

About 105 other teams have similar or worse depth issues. This is the reality of college football 9 out of 10 seasons.

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Per Dan Hoppen Tweet: Nebraska play calling this season:

 

Six wins: 56.2% runs, 43.8% passes

Seven losses: 40.7% runs, 59.3% passes

Honestly, I'm ok with either one of those ratios as long as we're winning. Give it some time and I think some of those 7 losses become wins sooner rather than later.

I should hope Purdue isn't ever a loss again.

 

But that said, will people be content with 3 to 4 losses a season?

All of the BOlievers were apparently content with it. Had a conversation with one of the relatives tonight who still wishes we had Bo. I asked him why, and the response was well the team never gave up on him. My response was the big ten title game vs Wisky or last year vs Wisky. He merely said that it wasn't bad coaching that it was just superior players.

 

Once again I asked how could a walk on from GI be the back up QB for this team. His response well that's not the coaches fault. I find myself having conversations with people like this more often then I'd like to. Not sure if they will ever get it.

Did he ask you about the 4 backup QBs + 1 starter on UNLs National Championship teams?

 

1970 - Van Brownson: Shenandoah, Ia.

1971 - Steve Runty: Ogallala, Nebraska

1994 - Matt Turman: Wahoo, Nebraska

1995 - Brook Berringer: Goodland KS

1997 - Scott Frost(STARTER): Wood River, Nebraska

 

But I suppose you're not a Devaney or Osborne supporter either.

 

Not always where you're from, it's how you party when you get there.

How many of those guys threw 4 INTs in a game? To compare Ryker with those last two guys is pretty laughable. Love the story but I doubt he'd be starting for many D-1 schools

Nor is he at Nebraska.

 

Where are you trying to go with this?

That the lack of depth we have at some positions is just maddening

This is true. When it's next man up do we really want to call on Ryker again? Ryker completed 60% of his passes after you account for interceptions, dropped balls, and near interceptions. This kid could be a fantastic pocket passer if he made better decisions with the ball but until then, I hope he only gets mop up duty.

Huh?

 

Anyway, 4 scholarship QBs of 3 stars or better. NU has (had?) good depth at QB. Maybe not for Langs system though. But who could have expected to recruit for a guy who likes to throw 35 to 40 times a game.

[GBRFAN]

Per Dan Hoppen Tweet: Nebraska play calling this season:

 

Six wins: 56.2% runs, 43.8% passes

Seven losses: 40.7% runs, 59.3% passes

 

Looking at numbers like this are worthless.

 

I'm sure in the Six wins: we dominated the line of scrimmage 70+% so it made sense to run.

In the Seven losses: we probably were getting dominated on the line of scrimmage 70+% so we reverted to more passing.

 

When you look at a game were we average 5+ yards per carry, however only have 15-20 caries it's probably a situation where we are not controlling the line of scrimmage and the heavy passing creates good per carry averages when we do run. However to think that we can just double or triple the number or carries and keep the same per carry average is silly.

[Elf]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Per Dan Hoppen Tweet: Nebraska play calling this season:

 

Six wins: 56.2% runs, 43.8% passes

Seven losses: 40.7% runs, 59.3% passes

Honestly, I'm ok with either one of those ratios as long as we're winning. Give it some time and I think some of those 7 losses become wins sooner rather than later.

I should hope Purdue isn't ever a loss again.

 

But that said, will people be content with 3 to 4 losses a season?

All of the BOlievers were apparently content with it. Had a conversation with one of the relatives tonight who still wishes we had Bo. I asked him why, and the response was well the team never gave up on him. My response was the big ten title game vs Wisky or last year vs Wisky. He merely said that it wasn't bad coaching that it was just superior players.

 

Once again I asked how could a walk on from GI be the back up QB for this team. His response well that's not the coaches fault. I find myself having conversations with people like this more often then I'd like to. Not sure if they will ever get it.

Did he ask you about the 4 backup QBs + 1 starter on UNLs National Championship teams?

 

1970 - Van Brownson: Shenandoah, Ia.

1971 - Steve Runty: Ogallala, Nebraska

1994 - Matt Turman: Wahoo, Nebraska

1995 - Brook Berringer: Goodland KS

1997 - Scott Frost(STARTER): Wood River, Nebraska

 

But I suppose you're not a Devaney or Osborne supporter either.

 

Not always where you're from, it's how you party when you get there.

How many of those guys threw 4 INTs in a game? To compare Ryker with those last two guys is pretty laughable. Love the story but I doubt he'd be starting for many D-1 schools

Nor is he at Nebraska.

 

Where are you trying to go with this?

That the lack of depth we have at some positions is just maddening

This is true. When it's next man up do we really want to call on Ryker again? Ryker completed 60% of his passes after you account for interceptions, dropped balls, and near interceptions. This kid could be a fantastic pocket passer if he made better decisions with the ball but until then, I hope he only gets mop up duty.

Huh?

 

Anyway, 4 scholarship QBs of 3 stars or better. NU has (had?) good depth at QB. Maybe not for Langs system though. But who could have expected to recruit for a guy who likes to throw 35 to 40 times a game.

 

I'm not sure I'd want any of the back up QB's to start in Tim Beck's system, or this one.

[Mavric]

The absolutely most Riley'd want to see the ball passed is likely 35 and that's only in a situation where you have a passing game that can gash a defense like Nebraska's run did against the UCLA D. There's no reason to cross 30.

So the absolute most Riley wants to see is 35 but yet four times this year, not only were we over 35 but over 40 and three times 45+.

 

That leaves three options:

 

1 - Riley is unable to tell his assistant coaches what he wants to have happen

2 - He "wants" something but it's really not that big of a deal what really happens

3 - You're wrong

[It'sNotAFakeID]

 

The absolutely most Riley'd want to see the ball passed is likely 35 and that's only in a situation where you have a passing game that can gash a defense like Nebraska's run did against the UCLA D. There's no reason to cross 30.

So the absolute most Riley wants to see is 35 but yet four times this year, not only were we over 35 but over 40 and three times 45+.

 

That leaves three options:

 

1 - Riley is unable to tell his assistant coaches what he wants to have happen

2 - He "wants" something but it's really not that big of a deal what really happens

3 - You're wrong

 

 

We can debate all night long about why games got to the point where QBs were throwing it 40-45 times a game. Perhaps "prefer" would be a better word than "wants".

[cm husker]

 

The absolutely most Riley'd want to see the ball passed is likely 35 and that's only in a situation where you have a passing game that can gash a defense like Nebraska's run did against the UCLA D. There's no reason to cross 30.

So the absolute most Riley wants to see is 35 but yet four times this year, not only were we over 35 but over 40 and three times 45+.

 

That leaves three options:

 

1 - Riley is unable to tell his assistant coaches what he wants to have happen

2 - He "wants" something but it's really not that big of a deal what really happens

3 - You're wrong

And at least his last 7 years at OSU reveals a coach who seemed much more interested in throwing it 35+ times per game than anything else.

 

Some folks on here are simply inventing narratives and it's pretty incredible.

[Elf]

 

The absolutely most Riley'd want to see the ball passed is likely 35 and that's only in a situation where you have a passing game that can gash a defense like Nebraska's run did against the UCLA D. There's no reason to cross 30.

So the absolute most Riley wants to see is 35 but yet four times this year, not only were we over 35 but over 40 and three times 45+.

 

That leaves three options:

 

1 - Riley is unable to tell his assistant coaches what he wants to have happen

2 - He "wants" something but it's really not that big of a deal what really happens

3 - You're wrong

 

Just because you want something, it doesn't mean you will get it. There are all kinds of things that can prevent that and none of your listed options have to be one of them. They can be, but they don't have to be.

[Elf]

 

 

The absolutely most Riley'd want to see the ball passed is likely 35 and that's only in a situation where you have a passing game that can gash a defense like Nebraska's run did against the UCLA D. There's no reason to cross 30.

So the absolute most Riley wants to see is 35 but yet four times this year, not only were we over 35 but over 40 and three times 45+.

 

That leaves three options:

 

1 - Riley is unable to tell his assistant coaches what he wants to have happen

2 - He "wants" something but it's really not that big of a deal what really happens

3 - You're wrong

And at least his last 7 years at OSU reveals a coach who seemed much more interested in throwing it 35+ times per game than anything else.

 

Some folks on here are simply inventing narratives and it's pretty incredible.

 

At OSU he did throw it a lot, that's why I am not surprised it's happening here. Otoh, I'm not upset by it either.

[Branno]

 

 

 

 

The absolutely most Riley'd want to see the ball passed is likely 35 and that's only in a situation where you have a passing game that can gash a defense like Nebraska's run did against the UCLA D. There's no reason to cross 30.

So the absolute most Riley wants to see is 35 but yet four times this year, not only were we over 35 but over 40 and three times 45+.

 

That leaves three options:

 

1 - Riley is unable to tell his assistant coaches what he wants to have happen

2 - He "wants" something but it's really not that big of a deal what really happens

3 - You're wrong

And at least his last 7 years at OSU reveals a coach who seemed much more interested in throwing it 35+ times per game than anything else.

 

Some folks on here are simply inventing narratives and it's pretty incredible.

At OSU he did throw it a lot, that's why I am not surprised it's happening here. Otoh, I'm not upset by it either.

I'm only upset about the 4 losses that can be directly attributed to throwing the ball when we should have been running it. Plain and simple it was scheme, not talent, and gave us a 7 loss season against a weak schedule.

 

Riley says all the right things, but rarely does what he says.

[Saunders]

I think you bring up some valid points especially concerning Janovich. This might be one of the great mysteries of Husker football that forever go unanswered. This is just my opinion mind you, but I think it had to do with your last sentence. People like to bring up the Purdue game and why didn't we run it? Well, we did 29 times for 77 yards. 2.6 yards per carry....I'd go air raid also if my run game sucked like that.

Watch HOW we ran the ball in those games, vs how we ran the ball vs UCLA. It's night and day in what we did.

[Saunders]

 

 

The absolutely most Riley'd want to see the ball passed is likely 35 and that's only in a situation where you have a passing game that can gash a defense like Nebraska's run did against the UCLA D. There's no reason to cross 30.

So the absolute most Riley wants to see is 35 but yet four times this year, not only were we over 35 but over 40 and three times 45+.

 

That leaves three options:

 

1 - Riley is unable to tell his assistant coaches what he wants to have happen

2 - He "wants" something but it's really not that big of a deal what really happens

3 - You're wrong

 

 

We can debate all night long about why games got to the point where QBs were throwing it 40-45 times a game. Perhaps "prefer" would be a better word than "wants".

 

There's enough evidence (I'd say 8 years is plenty) to say "prefer" isn't even correct. His philosophy is the chuck the rock. Whether that's good or bad, depends on what you have on your roster. For 2015, that was a bad combo.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Per Dan Hoppen Tweet: Nebraska play calling this season:

 

Six wins: 56.2% runs, 43.8% passes

Seven losses: 40.7% runs, 59.3% passes

Honestly, I'm ok with either one of those ratios as long as we're winning. Give it some time and I think some of those 7 losses become wins sooner rather than later.

I should hope Purdue isn't ever a loss again.

 

But that said, will people be content with 3 to 4 losses a season?

All of the BOlievers were apparently content with it. Had a conversation with one of the relatives tonight who still wishes we had Bo. I asked him why, and the response was well the team never gave up on him. My response was the big ten title game vs Wisky or last year vs Wisky. He merely said that it wasn't bad coaching that it was just superior players.

 

Once again I asked how could a walk on from GI be the back up QB for this team. His response well that's not the coaches fault. I find myself having conversations with people like this more often then I'd like to. Not sure if they will ever get it.

Did he ask you about the 4 backup QBs + 1 starter on UNLs National Championship teams?

 

1970 - Van Brownson: Shenandoah, Ia.

1971 - Steve Runty: Ogallala, Nebraska

1994 - Matt Turman: Wahoo, Nebraska

1995 - Brook Berringer: Goodland KS

1997 - Scott Frost(STARTER): Wood River, Nebraska

 

But I suppose you're not a Devaney or Osborne supporter either.

 

Not always where you're from, it's how you party when you get there.

How many of those guys threw 4 INTs in a game? To compare Ryker with those last two guys is pretty laughable. Love the story but I doubt he'd be starting for many D-1 schools

How many of those guys were coached to throw 48 times against a conference bottom feeder?

You don't have a clue about Ryker's abilities until he's led by a coach that can actually win more games than he loses.

 

Your purpose here is becoming more and more evident. The hate on the coaching staff rhetoric is growing old, I don't care how much discussion it causes.

[Guy Chamberlin]

See this is where the analytics get screwy and allow everyone to cherry pick.

Let's take those five games where Nebraska threw more than 40 times and lost each time:

 

BYU

41 passes for 319 yards

37 rushes for 126 yards

 

Miami

45 passes for 309 yards

32 rushes for 153 yards

 

Northwestern

48 passes for 291 yards

38 rushes for 82 yards

 

Purdue

48 passes for 407 yards

29 rushes for 77 yards

 

Iowa

45 passes for 296 yards

38 rushes for 137 yards

 

I don't think you can say that 32-38 rushing plays is in any way "abandoning" the run, nor that the passing game was failing.

In Nebraska's two best Big 10 wins, Minnesota and MSU, we ran a comparable 39 and 36 times. Against MSU, the passing game saved our ass.

In the Purdue and Northwestern games, any OC would have to conclude the rushing game had been given a chance and just wasn't cutting it.

Against BYU we had a decent mix and coulda should been in the win column.

Against Iowa we had a decent mix, NU outgained the #5 team in the nation, and killed themselves with 5 turnovers and a couple defensive brain farts. If you want to suggest Tommy wouldn't have thrown 4 interceptions if we'd run the ball more, it's a fair point.

 

In two of Nebraska's losses, Illinois and Wisconsin, we ran the ball more than we passed. 37 rushes to 28 passes against Wisconsin. 34 rushes to 31 passes against Illinois. BTW, in those same horrible conditions, a mediocre Illinois QB threw 45 times against Nebraska and won the game. I would never suggest we lost those games because we depended too much on the running game, or that Illinois should have passed that way all season. Each game unfolds a different way. Each game also requires Nebraska to play defense. A single defensive stand turns at least two of those pass-happy games into wins.

 

Again, when the running game is working, the team wins. That goes for almost every team. It means you're dominating the line (anyone see Baylor last night? Holy crap) It's much easier to say "pound the rock!" then to succeed at it. Those weren't different rushing plays you saw us running against UCLA. They were plays that a more motivated team was executing much better. Making it much easier for the coaches to stick with it. Definitely a hopeful sign. The real problem at the Purdue game was an entire team hitting psychological bottom together. You can certainly blame coaching for that, but the running game hardly looked like our salvation that day. It was a sh#t sandwich all around.

 

There aren't that many hard and fast conclusions we can extrapolate from these stats. It's a very mixed bag from a very weird season.

 

Moot point anyway, as I genuinely believe Riley wants to run the ball more next season. It could easily move from the 50/50 split this season to a 60/40 split, which would put us where the elite NCAA teams typically operate, which is pretty much where we were under Beck and Watson when the complaints were nearly identical.

[PTPer]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Per Dan Hoppen Tweet: Nebraska play calling this season:

 

Six wins: 56.2% runs, 43.8% passes

Seven losses: 40.7% runs, 59.3% passes

Honestly, I'm ok with either one of those ratios as long as we're winning. Give it some time and I think some of those 7 losses become wins sooner rather than later.

I should hope Purdue isn't ever a loss again.

 

But that said, will people be content with 3 to 4 losses a season?

All of the BOlievers were apparently content with it. Had a conversation with one of the relatives tonight who still wishes we had Bo. I asked him why, and the response was well the team never gave up on him. My response was the big ten title game vs Wisky or last year vs Wisky. He merely said that it wasn't bad coaching that it was just superior players.

 

Once again I asked how could a walk on from GI be the back up QB for this team. His response well that's not the coaches fault. I find myself having conversations with people like this more often then I'd like to. Not sure if they will ever get it.

Did he ask you about the 4 backup QBs + 1 starter on UNLs National Championship teams?

 

1970 - Van Brownson: Shenandoah, Ia.

1971 - Steve Runty: Ogallala, Nebraska

1994 - Matt Turman: Wahoo, Nebraska

1995 - Brook Berringer: Goodland KS

1997 - Scott Frost(STARTER): Wood River, Nebraska

 

But I suppose you're not a Devaney or Osborne supporter either.

 

Not always where you're from, it's how you party when you get there.

How many of those guys threw 4 INTs in a game? To compare Ryker with those last two guys is pretty laughable. Love the story but I doubt he'd be starting for many D-1 schools

How many of those guys were coached to throw 48 times against a conference bottom feeder?

You don't have a clue about Ryker's abilities until he's led by a coach that can actually win more games than he loses.

Your purpose here is becoming more and more evident. The hate on the coaching staff rhetoric is growing old, I don't care how much discussion it causes.

You know what's growing old? The hiring practices of UNLs administration. The empty trophy case shelves from year 2000+. The non ability to be proud of our state treasure, the Cornhuskers. That's what.