The General Election

[NM11046]

 

 

 

 

 

What is the name of the disorder where people think politicians from the other side are horrible for lying for personal gain while ignoring politicians from their side?

Demopublicans

Or Demopublitarians might be better. All you Johnson lovers crack me up thinking this guy is perfect and the only honest politician out there. He's lied about his past record as governor when running in 2012, and is just your typical politician.

 

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210816

 

Also, it seems that the Johnson supporters on here are following the lead of Johnson himself, always taking a chance to criticize Trump, but taking it much easier on Hillary. It's not a shock to anyone on here on why this is happening given there is much more overlap between the GOP and Libertarian platforms than there are between the Libertarian and Democratic platforms.

 

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gary-johnson-criticize-hillary-trump/

Wat?

 

Nobody on here has said they are in love with Johnson lock step. We've just said he's the only true alternative that isn't an embarrassment. Trump is a POS and Hillary is about as slimmy as a hagfish. Johnson at least has something to offer to both conservatives and liberals in his agenda.

 

He doesn't offer anything to this liberal. I can see why conservatives may think him an option but it really depends on the issues that are important to you. AND, he's not going to win. A vote for him will make the chances of Don being elected higher.

 

I would think it's conservative voters that don't want Trump and vote Johnson who are gonna take votes away from Trump.

 

Not according to the polls and data that is out there. Johnson is pulling most votes from Clinton.

[NM11046]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is the name of the disorder where people think politicians from the other side are horrible for lying for personal gain while ignoring politicians from their side?

Demopublicans

Or Demopublitarians might be better. All you Johnson lovers crack me up thinking this guy is perfect and the only honest politician out there. He's lied about his past record as governor when running in 2012, and is just your typical politician.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210816

 

Also, it seems that the Johnson supporters on here are following the lead of Johnson himself, always taking a chance to criticize Trump, but taking it much easier on Hillary. It's not a shock to anyone on here on why this is happening given there is much more overlap between the GOP and Libertarian platforms than there are between the Libertarian and Democratic platforms.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gary-johnson-criticize-hillary-trump/

Wat?

Nobody on here has said they are in love with Johnson lock step. We've just said he's the only true alternative that isn't an embarrassment. Trump is a POS and Hillary is about as slimmy as a hagfish. Johnson at least has something to offer to both conservatives and liberals in his agenda.

He doesn't offer anything to this liberal. I can see why conservatives may think him an option but it really depends on the issues that are important to you. AND, he's not going to win. A vote for him will make the chances of Don being elected higher.

Poor way a thinking... I don't agree with Johnson on a few issues, but after reviewing all the candidates positions tha knap posted, I'm surprisingly more in line with him than any of the others.

What part of this do you think is a poor way of thinking?

Like Harry said, most of the people voting for him would probably check the name with an R beside it in a typical election. This cycle is anything but typical as we all know. Also, even though I used to think it as well, the wasted vote cliché is lazy thinking. If everyone has that attitude then, yes, he won't win and nothing will change. We're not locked into these two party races it's just lazy thinking by the populous and good marketing by the parties.

 

Well the polls and data that is available show he's getting most of his support from D's and Clinton voters. I'd agree that in some scenarios the wasted vote doesn't make sense, but in CO, NH, NM, and other purple states it is the truth. Sadly right now we are locked into a two party race, whether we remain that way after this election is a question that has some legs to it.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

Bnil, at some point, you've got to acknowledge that perhaps Trump is just plain worse than Clinton.

 

It's not some biased trend; that's remarkably similar to what we're hearing from Trump himself regarding the media. It's just he's the far worse candidate offering far more to criticize.

 

As I've said before, both are terrible candidates and we are faced with bad choices. I am not happy with the current trajectory in this country, as most Americans feel the same with nearly 70% claiming the US is on the wrong track. With Hillary, we would be getting more of the same, but likely worse as she has the corruption to go along with the failed policies of the past 7 years, especially when it comes to ISIS and foreign policy. With Trump, he's a wildcard, and he's obnoxious and says a lot of crazy things to get attention, but we really don't know how he would govern. So yes, there is a risk there, but given the 70% wrong track of this country (which I agree with), I am willing to take that risk.

 

Now if the Dems had nominated someone like Jim Webb, I would agree with you that he would be far better than Trump. Hillary, not so much.

 

Or, if Johnson would agree to move down to the VP slot and let Romney lead the Libertarian ticket, I would vote for that in a heartbeat. I would love to see the poll on here add another option with a Romney/Johnson ticket just to see if it changes the results.

 

Both are poor candidates, but it's plain as day that one is definitively worse than the other. No one wants Hillary in office but it's very clear that Trump is grossly unfit for office at any level, let alone POTUS. It's not even a risk with Trump. There is absolutely no way that a Trump presidency would be anything but detrimental to the American people. He needs to be defeated and defeated soundly. If you can't see this then you must be entirely removed from logic.

 

 

And that is YOUR opinion, and I know a few others on this tiny board we post on. I know just as many non-political individuals that I work with as well as some of my friends that fear Hillary more than Trump as they believe Trump says some of the things he does as part of his TV personality. When you look at Trump's proposals (outside of the Muslim ban), which proposals are you most concerned with? Securing our border? Removing unfair trade deals? Increase the child tax credit? Not starting more wars like Iraq?

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is the name of the disorder where people think politicians from the other side are horrible for lying for personal gain while ignoring politicians from their side?

Demopublicans

Or Demopublitarians might be better. All you Johnson lovers crack me up thinking this guy is perfect and the only honest politician out there. He's lied about his past record as governor when running in 2012, and is just your typical politician.

 

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210816

 

Also, it seems that the Johnson supporters on here are following the lead of Johnson himself, always taking a chance to criticize Trump, but taking it much easier on Hillary. It's not a shock to anyone on here on why this is happening given there is much more overlap between the GOP and Libertarian platforms than there are between the Libertarian and Democratic platforms.

 

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gary-johnson-criticize-hillary-trump/

Wat?

 

Nobody on here has said they are in love with Johnson lock step. We've just said he's the only true alternative that isn't an embarrassment. Trump is a POS and Hillary is about as slimmy as a hagfish. Johnson at least has something to offer to both conservatives and liberals in his agenda.

 

He doesn't offer anything to this liberal. I can see why conservatives may think him an option but it really depends on the issues that are important to you. AND, he's not going to win. A vote for him will make the chances of Don being elected higher.

 

I would think it's conservative voters that don't want Trump and vote Johnson who are gonna take votes away from Trump.

 

Not according to the polls and data that is out there. Johnson is pulling most votes from Clinton.

 

 

Yes, that is true which goes to show just how many voters out there don't like Hillary either. I am telling you if the libertarians had a Romney/Johnson ticket it would have a good chance of winning several states. In order to have an effective 3rd party run, you HAVE to have a candidate at the top of the ticket that is a household name to overcome the obstacles of Party Identification/recognition of that 3rd party.

[Danny Bateman]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is the name of the disorder where people think politicians from the other side are horrible for lying for personal gain while ignoring politicians from their side?

Demopublicans

Or Demopublitarians might be better. All you Johnson lovers crack me up thinking this guy is perfect and the only honest politician out there. He's lied about his past record as governor when running in 2012, and is just your typical politician.

 

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210816

 

Also, it seems that the Johnson supporters on here are following the lead of Johnson himself, always taking a chance to criticize Trump, but taking it much easier on Hillary. It's not a shock to anyone on here on why this is happening given there is much more overlap between the GOP and Libertarian platforms than there are between the Libertarian and Democratic platforms.

 

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gary-johnson-criticize-hillary-trump/

Wat?

 

Nobody on here has said they are in love with Johnson lock step. We've just said he's the only true alternative that isn't an embarrassment. Trump is a POS and Hillary is about as slimmy as a hagfish. Johnson at least has something to offer to both conservatives and liberals in his agenda.

 

He doesn't offer anything to this liberal. I can see why conservatives may think him an option but it really depends on the issues that are important to you. AND, he's not going to win. A vote for him will make the chances of Don being elected higher.

 

I would think it's conservative voters that don't want Trump and vote Johnson who are gonna take votes away from Trump.

 

Not according to the polls and data that is out there. Johnson is pulling most votes from Clinton.

 

 

Yes, that is true which goes to show just how many voters out there don't like Hillary either. I am telling you if the libertarians had a Romney/Johnson ticket it would have a good chance of winning several states. In order to have an effective 3rd party run, you HAVE to have a candidate at the top of the ticket that is a household name to overcome the obstacles of Party Identification/recognition of that 3rd party.

 

 

Romney himself didn't want to opt in, though, reportedly because he knew he wouldn't win. And I don't know that he agreed with some of the Libertarian social views.

 

Mitt Romney may have been the best chance the country has had at pushing toward somewhat equal footing for a third party and movement toward a multi-party system, too. For those of you who desire such a move.

[mrandyk]

 

 

 

Bnil, at some point, you've got to acknowledge that perhaps Trump is just plain worse than Clinton.

 

It's not some biased trend; that's remarkably similar to what we're hearing from Trump himself regarding the media. It's just he's the far worse candidate offering far more to criticize.

 

As I've said before, both are terrible candidates and we are faced with bad choices. I am not happy with the current trajectory in this country, as most Americans feel the same with nearly 70% claiming the US is on the wrong track. With Hillary, we would be getting more of the same, but likely worse as she has the corruption to go along with the failed policies of the past 7 years, especially when it comes to ISIS and foreign policy. With Trump, he's a wildcard, and he's obnoxious and says a lot of crazy things to get attention, but we really don't know how he would govern. So yes, there is a risk there, but given the 70% wrong track of this country (which I agree with), I am willing to take that risk.

 

Now if the Dems had nominated someone like Jim Webb, I would agree with you that he would be far better than Trump. Hillary, not so much.

 

Or, if Johnson would agree to move down to the VP slot and let Romney lead the Libertarian ticket, I would vote for that in a heartbeat. I would love to see the poll on here add another option with a Romney/Johnson ticket just to see if it changes the results.

 

Both are poor candidates, but it's plain as day that one is definitively worse than the other. No one wants Hillary in office but it's very clear that Trump is grossly unfit for office at any level, let alone POTUS. It's not even a risk with Trump. There is absolutely no way that a Trump presidency would be anything but detrimental to the American people. He needs to be defeated and defeated soundly. If you can't see this then you must be entirely removed from logic.

 

 

And that is YOUR opinion, and I know a few others on this tiny board we post on. I know just as many non-political individuals that I work with as well as some of my friends that fear Hillary more than Trump as they believe Trump says some of the things he does as part of his TV personality. When you look at Trump's proposals (outside of the Muslim ban), which proposals are you most concerned with? Securing our border? Removing unfair trade deals? Increase the child tax credit? Not starting more wars like Iraq?

 

Calling an entire race of people rapists is because of his TV personality? Calling global warming a hoax created by the Chinese to make US manufacturing non-competitive is part of his TV personality? Having not one clue what is happening in the world and blaming stuff that happened 12 years ago on Obama is part of his TV personality? The man is a complete and utter dipsh*t. There simply is no defending him using reason or logic.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

 

Bnil, at some point, you've got to acknowledge that perhaps Trump is just plain worse than Clinton.

 

It's not some biased trend; that's remarkably similar to what we're hearing from Trump himself regarding the media. It's just he's the far worse candidate offering far more to criticize.

 

As I've said before, both are terrible candidates and we are faced with bad choices. I am not happy with the current trajectory in this country, as most Americans feel the same with nearly 70% claiming the US is on the wrong track. With Hillary, we would be getting more of the same, but likely worse as she has the corruption to go along with the failed policies of the past 7 years, especially when it comes to ISIS and foreign policy. With Trump, he's a wildcard, and he's obnoxious and says a lot of crazy things to get attention, but we really don't know how he would govern. So yes, there is a risk there, but given the 70% wrong track of this country (which I agree with), I am willing to take that risk.

 

Now if the Dems had nominated someone like Jim Webb, I would agree with you that he would be far better than Trump. Hillary, not so much.

 

Or, if Johnson would agree to move down to the VP slot and let Romney lead the Libertarian ticket, I would vote for that in a heartbeat. I would love to see the poll on here add another option with a Romney/Johnson ticket just to see if it changes the results.

 

Both are poor candidates, but it's plain as day that one is definitively worse than the other. No one wants Hillary in office but it's very clear that Trump is grossly unfit for office at any level, let alone POTUS. It's not even a risk with Trump. There is absolutely no way that a Trump presidency would be anything but detrimental to the American people. He needs to be defeated and defeated soundly. If you can't see this then you must be entirely removed from logic.

 

 

And that is YOUR opinion, and I know a few others on this tiny board we post on. I know just as many non-political individuals that I work with as well as some of my friends that fear Hillary more than Trump as they believe Trump says some of the things he does as part of his TV personality. When you look at Trump's proposals (outside of the Muslim ban), which proposals are you most concerned with? Securing our border? Removing unfair trade deals? Increase the child tax credit? Not starting more wars like Iraq?

 

Calling an entire race of people rapists is because of his TV personality? Calling global warming a hoax created by the Chinese to make US manufacturing non-competitive is part of his TV personality? Having not one clue what is happening in the world and blaming stuff that happened 12 years ago on Obama is part of his TV personality? The man is a complete and utter dipsh*t. There simply is no defending him using reason or logic.

 

 

Falling asleep at the wheel when requests have been made for a year in Benghazi for additional security is acceptable? And then lying to the families as to why their loves ones were killed is acceptable? How about trashing females who were victimized by her husband's sexual addiction? Or perhaps dodging questions about wiping her server clean ("you mean with a cloth" stated Clinton). You want to make this black and white that one is so much better than the other. Both are terrible candidates, and when given the chance, I would take my chance with Trump over a known failure in Clinton.

[zoogs]

Does it ever get boring reading from the same script over and over again?

[huKSer]

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is the name of the disorder where people think politicians from the other side are horrible for lying for personal gain while ignoring politicians from their side?

Demopublicans

Or Demopublitarians might be better. All you Johnson lovers crack me up thinking this guy is perfect and the only honest politician out there. He's lied about his past record as governor when running in 2012, and is just your typical politician.

 

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210816

 

Also, it seems that the Johnson supporters on here are following the lead of Johnson himself, always taking a chance to criticize Trump, but taking it much easier on Hillary. It's not a shock to anyone on here on why this is happening given there is much more overlap between the GOP and Libertarian platforms than there are between the Libertarian and Democratic platforms.

 

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gary-johnson-criticize-hillary-trump/

Wat?

 

Nobody on here has said they are in love with Johnson lock step. We've just said he's the only true alternative that isn't an embarrassment. Trump is a POS and Hillary is about as slimmy as a hagfish. Johnson at least has something to offer to both conservatives and liberals in his agenda.

 

He doesn't offer anything to this liberal. I can see why conservatives may think him an option but it really depends on the issues that are important to you. AND, he's not going to win. A vote for him will make the chances of Don being elected higher.

 

I would think it's conservative voters that don't want Trump and vote Johnson who are gonna take votes away from Trump.

 

Not according to the polls and data that is out there. Johnson is pulling most votes from Clinton.

 

Research has shown that you can prove anything with research

[mrandyk]

 

 

 

 

 

Bnil, at some point, you've got to acknowledge that perhaps Trump is just plain worse than Clinton.

 

It's not some biased trend; that's remarkably similar to what we're hearing from Trump himself regarding the media. It's just he's the far worse candidate offering far more to criticize.

 

As I've said before, both are terrible candidates and we are faced with bad choices. I am not happy with the current trajectory in this country, as most Americans feel the same with nearly 70% claiming the US is on the wrong track. With Hillary, we would be getting more of the same, but likely worse as she has the corruption to go along with the failed policies of the past 7 years, especially when it comes to ISIS and foreign policy. With Trump, he's a wildcard, and he's obnoxious and says a lot of crazy things to get attention, but we really don't know how he would govern. So yes, there is a risk there, but given the 70% wrong track of this country (which I agree with), I am willing to take that risk.

 

Now if the Dems had nominated someone like Jim Webb, I would agree with you that he would be far better than Trump. Hillary, not so much.

 

Or, if Johnson would agree to move down to the VP slot and let Romney lead the Libertarian ticket, I would vote for that in a heartbeat. I would love to see the poll on here add another option with a Romney/Johnson ticket just to see if it changes the results.

 

Both are poor candidates, but it's plain as day that one is definitively worse than the other. No one wants Hillary in office but it's very clear that Trump is grossly unfit for office at any level, let alone POTUS. It's not even a risk with Trump. There is absolutely no way that a Trump presidency would be anything but detrimental to the American people. He needs to be defeated and defeated soundly. If you can't see this then you must be entirely removed from logic.

 

 

And that is YOUR opinion, and I know a few others on this tiny board we post on. I know just as many non-political individuals that I work with as well as some of my friends that fear Hillary more than Trump as they believe Trump says some of the things he does as part of his TV personality. When you look at Trump's proposals (outside of the Muslim ban), which proposals are you most concerned with? Securing our border? Removing unfair trade deals? Increase the child tax credit? Not starting more wars like Iraq?

 

Calling an entire race of people rapists is because of his TV personality? Calling global warming a hoax created by the Chinese to make US manufacturing non-competitive is part of his TV personality? Having not one clue what is happening in the world and blaming stuff that happened 12 years ago on Obama is part of his TV personality? The man is a complete and utter dipsh*t. There simply is no defending him using reason or logic.

 

 

Falling asleep at the wheel when requests have been made for a year in Benghazi for additional security is acceptable? And then lying to the families as to why their loves ones were killed is acceptable? How about trashing females who were victimized by her husband's sexual addiction? Or perhaps dodging questions about wiping her server clean ("you mean with a cloth" stated Clinton). You want to make this black and white that one is so much better than the other. Both are terrible candidates, and when given the chance, I would take my chance with Trump over a known failure in Clinton.

 

If you're going to make this about which candidate has more downfalls then it will be Trump every single time. He makes shocking and unconstitutional statements on a near daily basis to the point that it's hardly newsworthy anymore.

 

One candidate absolutely is better than the other. Hillary Clinton has actually held positions that would prepare her for the White House, and if EMAILS is the only thing you can bring up to paint her as a failure then it sounds to me that she wouldn't be nearly as bad as the global disaster we would have on our hands with Trump.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bnil, at some point, you've got to acknowledge that perhaps Trump is just plain worse than Clinton.

 

It's not some biased trend; that's remarkably similar to what we're hearing from Trump himself regarding the media. It's just he's the far worse candidate offering far more to criticize.

 

As I've said before, both are terrible candidates and we are faced with bad choices. I am not happy with the current trajectory in this country, as most Americans feel the same with nearly 70% claiming the US is on the wrong track. With Hillary, we would be getting more of the same, but likely worse as she has the corruption to go along with the failed policies of the past 7 years, especially when it comes to ISIS and foreign policy. With Trump, he's a wildcard, and he's obnoxious and says a lot of crazy things to get attention, but we really don't know how he would govern. So yes, there is a risk there, but given the 70% wrong track of this country (which I agree with), I am willing to take that risk.

 

Now if the Dems had nominated someone like Jim Webb, I would agree with you that he would be far better than Trump. Hillary, not so much.

 

Or, if Johnson would agree to move down to the VP slot and let Romney lead the Libertarian ticket, I would vote for that in a heartbeat. I would love to see the poll on here add another option with a Romney/Johnson ticket just to see if it changes the results.

 

Both are poor candidates, but it's plain as day that one is definitively worse than the other. No one wants Hillary in office but it's very clear that Trump is grossly unfit for office at any level, let alone POTUS. It's not even a risk with Trump. There is absolutely no way that a Trump presidency would be anything but detrimental to the American people. He needs to be defeated and defeated soundly. If you can't see this then you must be entirely removed from logic.

 

 

And that is YOUR opinion, and I know a few others on this tiny board we post on. I know just as many non-political individuals that I work with as well as some of my friends that fear Hillary more than Trump as they believe Trump says some of the things he does as part of his TV personality. When you look at Trump's proposals (outside of the Muslim ban), which proposals are you most concerned with? Securing our border? Removing unfair trade deals? Increase the child tax credit? Not starting more wars like Iraq?

 

Calling an entire race of people rapists is because of his TV personality? Calling global warming a hoax created by the Chinese to make US manufacturing non-competitive is part of his TV personality? Having not one clue what is happening in the world and blaming stuff that happened 12 years ago on Obama is part of his TV personality? The man is a complete and utter dipsh*t. There simply is no defending him using reason or logic.

 

 

Falling asleep at the wheel when requests have been made for a year in Benghazi for additional security is acceptable? And then lying to the families as to why their loves ones were killed is acceptable? How about trashing females who were victimized by her husband's sexual addiction? Or perhaps dodging questions about wiping her server clean ("you mean with a cloth" stated Clinton). You want to make this black and white that one is so much better than the other. Both are terrible candidates, and when given the chance, I would take my chance with Trump over a known failure in Clinton.

 

If you're going to make this about which candidate has more downfalls then it will be Trump every single time. He makes shocking and unconstitutional statements on a near daily basis to the point that it's hardly newsworthy anymore.

 

One candidate absolutely is better than the other. Hillary Clinton has actually held positions that would prepare her for the White House, and if EMAILS is the only thing you can bring up to paint her as a failure then it sounds to me that she wouldn't be nearly as bad as the global disaster we would have on our hands with Trump.

 

 

Hillary Clinton has held 2 positions. As Senator of New York, she promised to bring 200,000 jobs to upstate New York, and failed to deliver. She also voted in favor of the Iraq war. If she's such a great leader with great judgment, she would have opposed the war back then. Moving on to Secretary of State, nearly everything she touched was a disaster. Lybia, Syria, Iraq, etc... all got worse with her foreign policy, and as I've shown many times before, ISIS was wiped out in 2008 according to Obama's CIA director, and has now grown tremendously. And this isn't even talking about the Benghazi debacle or her email woes. Why on earth should she deserve a promotion when she couldn't handle a Secretary position?

[NM11046]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bnil, at some point, you've got to acknowledge that perhaps Trump is just plain worse than Clinton.

 

It's not some biased trend; that's remarkably similar to what we're hearing from Trump himself regarding the media. It's just he's the far worse candidate offering far more to criticize.

 

As I've said before, both are terrible candidates and we are faced with bad choices. I am not happy with the current trajectory in this country, as most Americans feel the same with nearly 70% claiming the US is on the wrong track. With Hillary, we would be getting more of the same, but likely worse as she has the corruption to go along with the failed policies of the past 7 years, especially when it comes to ISIS and foreign policy. With Trump, he's a wildcard, and he's obnoxious and says a lot of crazy things to get attention, but we really don't know how he would govern. So yes, there is a risk there, but given the 70% wrong track of this country (which I agree with), I am willing to take that risk.

 

Now if the Dems had nominated someone like Jim Webb, I would agree with you that he would be far better than Trump. Hillary, not so much.

 

Or, if Johnson would agree to move down to the VP slot and let Romney lead the Libertarian ticket, I would vote for that in a heartbeat. I would love to see the poll on here add another option with a Romney/Johnson ticket just to see if it changes the results.

 

Both are poor candidates, but it's plain as day that one is definitively worse than the other. No one wants Hillary in office but it's very clear that Trump is grossly unfit for office at any level, let alone POTUS. It's not even a risk with Trump. There is absolutely no way that a Trump presidency would be anything but detrimental to the American people. He needs to be defeated and defeated soundly. If you can't see this then you must be entirely removed from logic.

 

 

And that is YOUR opinion, and I know a few others on this tiny board we post on. I know just as many non-political individuals that I work with as well as some of my friends that fear Hillary more than Trump as they believe Trump says some of the things he does as part of his TV personality. When you look at Trump's proposals (outside of the Muslim ban), which proposals are you most concerned with? Securing our border? Removing unfair trade deals? Increase the child tax credit? Not starting more wars like Iraq?

 

Calling an entire race of people rapists is because of his TV personality? Calling global warming a hoax created by the Chinese to make US manufacturing non-competitive is part of his TV personality? Having not one clue what is happening in the world and blaming stuff that happened 12 years ago on Obama is part of his TV personality? The man is a complete and utter dipsh*t. There simply is no defending him using reason or logic.

 

 

Falling asleep at the wheel when requests have been made for a year in Benghazi for additional security is acceptable? And then lying to the families as to why their loves ones were killed is acceptable? How about trashing females who were victimized by her husband's sexual addiction? Or perhaps dodging questions about wiping her server clean ("you mean with a cloth" stated Clinton). You want to make this black and white that one is so much better than the other. Both are terrible candidates, and when given the chance, I would take my chance with Trump over a known failure in Clinton.

 

If you're going to make this about which candidate has more downfalls then it will be Trump every single time. He makes shocking and unconstitutional statements on a near daily basis to the point that it's hardly newsworthy anymore.

 

One candidate absolutely is better than the other. Hillary Clinton has actually held positions that would prepare her for the White House, and if EMAILS is the only thing you can bring up to paint her as a failure then it sounds to me that she wouldn't be nearly as bad as the global disaster we would have on our hands with Trump.

 

 

Hillary Clinton has held 2 positions. As Senator of New York, she promised to bring 200,000 jobs to upstate New York, and failed to deliver. She also voted in favor of the Iraq war. If she's such a great leader with great judgment, she would have opposed the war back then. Moving on to Secretary of State, nearly everything she touched was a disaster. Lybia, Syria, Iraq, etc... all got worse with her foreign policy, and as I've shown many times before, ISIS was wiped out in 2008 according to Obama's CIA director, and has now grown tremendously. And this isn't even talking about the Benghazi debacle or her email woes. Why on earth should she deserve a promotion when she couldn't handle a Secretary position?

 

And Trump has spewed comments about how successful and rich he is and yet can't back it up. What IS documented is his lack of business success with 4 bankruptcies. He promised thousands of jobs and then bailed. He has CHOSEN to not pay those who have provided him goods and services. Don't care if Hillary missed her promise on jobs - he absolutely harmed peoples livelihood. And continues to do it.

 

He uses labor from outside the US for his staff, and to make his goods.

 

There are over 4000 lawsuits against him (including 190+ related to not paying taxes, or not paying enough taxes). He has admittedly created business to take advantage of the very people that he know attracts as followers (white collar, uneducated men) and is dealing with some of those ramifications as he battles the Trump University cases.

 

Moving on to his documented comments that insult and harass almost every sex, creed, religion and nationality. His lack of understanding of national, international or state side politics, and even more so his lack of desire to even try to learn about it.

 

I can't believe I even bothered to respond to you and this circular conversation. I don't have enough time or energy to continue typing all the evidence of his lack of qualifications or that he's even a good, sane person.

 

I take great comfort in the fact that you seem to be one of few on this board that has refused to open his eyes as to the qualifications of this office and the risk Don presents if he were to get close to occupying it.

[ZRod]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is the name of the disorder where people think politicians from the other side are horrible for lying for personal gain while ignoring politicians from their side?

 

Demopublicans

Or Demopublitarians might be better. All you Johnson lovers crack me up thinking this guy is perfect and the only honest politician out there. He's lied about his past record as governor when running in 2012, and is just your typical politician.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210816

 

Also, it seems that the Johnson supporters on here are following the lead of Johnson himself, always taking a chance to criticize Trump, but taking it much easier on Hillary. It's not a shock to anyone on here on why this is happening given there is much more overlap between the GOP and Libertarian platforms than there are between the Libertarian and Democratic platforms.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/gary-johnson-criticize-hillary-trump/

Wat?

Nobody on here has said they are in love with Johnson lock step. We've just said he's the only true alternative that isn't an embarrassment. Trump is a POS and Hillary is about as slimmy as a hagfish. Johnson at least has something to offer to both conservatives and liberals in his agenda.

He doesn't offer anything to this liberal. I can see why conservatives may think him an option but it really depends on the issues that are important to you. AND, he's not going to win. A vote for him will make the chances of Don being elected higher.

Poor way a thinking... I don't agree with Johnson on a few issues, but after reviewing all the candidates positions tha knap posted, I'm surprisingly more in line with him than any of the others.

What part of this do you think is a poor way of thinking?

Like Harry said, most of the people voting for him would probably check the name with an R beside it in a typical election. This cycle is anything but typical as we all know. Also, even though I used to think it as well, the wasted vote cliché is lazy thinking. If everyone has that attitude then, yes, he won't win and nothing will change. We're not locked into these two party races it's just lazy thinking by the populous and good marketing by the parties.

Well the polls and data that is available show he's getting most of his support from D's and Clinton voters. I'd agree that in some scenarios the wasted vote doesn't make sense, but in CO, NH, NM, and other purple states it is the truth. Sadly right now we are locked into a two party race, whether we remain that way after this election is a question that has some legs to it.

I know what the poles are saying. I just have a gut feeling about it. It maybe totally wrong, who knows. How accurate are poles before debates anyways?

[Danny Bateman]

 

This is about his campaign manager, tweeted out by his old campaign manager. They really hate each other, but I'd imagine this could create some dysfunction for them moving forward. Yet another distraction.

 

Supposed to receive $12.7M, they don't know if he did. Also may have used offshore companies to launder money, and tried to profit from selling off Ukrainian cable assets w/ a Russian oligarch who's a close Putin ally.

 

If you still think the possibility of Russian ties are some kind of liberal media hatchet job, I've got a bridge to sell you...

[BigRedBuster]

Wait......

 

Manafort used to work in Russian politics?? And...as late as May????

And....dumb ass keeps ripping on Hillary for having ties to and getting cash from foreign governments????

You just can't make this stuff up.

 

edit.......

 

Whoa...whoa...whoa.....

 

I just read the rest of the article. This guy used to work for Ferdinand Marcos also?