ZRod Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's not an excuse. That's literally what's happening. Russia is attempting to meddle in the presidential election. Manafort worked to install a Russian handpicked president of Ukraine in the past. Russia loves Trump and Trump loves Russia. You can turn a blind eye to that if you want. Whether or not the DNC is competent is a different discussion. So a world where 2 of the 3 (if not the top 2) world superpowers get along for the first time in ~70 years is a bad thing? I don't know, but I think that I prefer it to the kind of relationship that HC would cultivate. Russia does not have the US best interest in mind. Why do you think they would want him in office, it's not because they think he would be good for America. 4 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 The only reason Putin wants Trump in office is because he is the only person who is potentially a leader in the free world that has ever said anything decent about his tactics of ruling his country. And...quite frankly, I have absolutely NO desire to have the US ran like Putin runs Russia and I'm shocked any reasonable conservative or liberal has any desire to have that. 4 Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's not an excuse. That's literally what's happening. Russia is attempting to meddle in the presidential election. Manafort worked to install a Russian handpicked president of Ukraine in the past. Russia loves Trump and Trump loves Russia. You can turn a blind eye to that if you want. Whether or not the DNC is competent is a different discussion. So a world where 2 of the 3 (if not the top 2) world superpowers get along for the first time in ~70 years is a bad thing? I don't know, but I think that I prefer it to the kind of relationship that HC would cultivate. Russia does not have the US best interest in mind. Why do you think they would want him in office, it's not because they think he would be good for America. Russia is trying to prevent WW3. Putin has been warning for a couple of years now that he doesn't appreciate how close things are getting to his border, but people don't seem to be listening. He knows he has a better chance of preventing a war with Trump in power, so yes, Russia does not have US best interests in mind, but by doing what it can to advance this interest, the world will benefit. tldr: Things aren't always zero or negative sum. 1 Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Wait..... So, Hillary's excuse is that a foreign country hacked a private email server and caused problems? You just can't make this stuff up. Ha. Can you spell irony. I R O N Y Good thing those foreign countries could never have hacked her private SoS email server....oh, wait. Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The only reason Putin wants Trump in office is because he is the only person who is potentially a leader in the free world that has ever said anything decent about his tactics of ruling his country. And...quite frankly, I have absolutely NO desire to have the US ran like Putin runs Russia and I'm shocked any reasonable conservative or liberal has any desire to have that. Yeah? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11418959/Vladimir-Putin-receives-a-warm-welcome-from-Hungarian-PM-Viktor-Orban.html And for the record, I don't have enough first-hand experience in Russia to make any statement on my personal feelings about how the country is run so I'm personally indifferent on his "tactics". Link to comment
huskerfan2000 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Wait..... So, Hillary's excuse is that a foreign country hacked a private email server and caused problems? You just can't make this stuff up. Ha. Can you spell irony. I R O N Y Good thing those foreign countries could never have hacked her private SoS email server....oh, wait. The biggest irony in this whole thing is the wall, you know, to keep people out. 1 Link to comment
ZRod Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's not an excuse. That's literally what's happening. Russia is attempting to meddle in the presidential election. Manafort worked to install a Russian handpicked president of Ukraine in the past. Russia loves Trump and Trump loves Russia. You can turn a blind eye to that if you want. Whether or not the DNC is competent is a different discussion. So a world where 2 of the 3 (if not the top 2) world superpowers get along for the first time in ~70 years is a bad thing? I don't know, but I think that I prefer it to the kind of relationship that HC would cultivate. Russia does not have the US best interest in mind. Why do you think they would want him in office, it's not because they think he would be good for America. Russia is trying to prevent WW3. Putin has been warning for a couple of years now that he doesn't appreciate how close things are getting to his border, but people don't seem to be listening. He knows he has a better chance of preventing a war with Trump in power, so yes, Russia does not have US best interests in mind, but by doing what it can to advance this interest, the world will benefit. tldr: Things aren't always zero or negative sum. Are they? They are increasing sub ativity: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/mark-ferguson-naval-forces-europe-russian-submarines/ Multiple incident between US Military and Russian counter parts: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/us-aircraft-carrier-russian-plane-encounter/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/russia-plane-navy-uss-ross/ http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-warplanes-fly-close-to-u-s-navy-destroyer-polish-helicopter-1460549626 Harrasing US Diplomats in Europe in criminal ways: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/russia-is-harassing-us-diplomats-all-over-europe/2016/06/26/968d1a5a-3bdf-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html Link to comment
huKSer Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Why anyone would vote for either of these worthless excuses of "public servants" totally baffles me. <=========== I agree Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 The only reason Putin wants Trump in office is because he is the only person who is potentially a leader in the free world that has ever said anything decent about his tactics of ruling his country. And...quite frankly, I have absolutely NO desire to have the US ran like Putin runs Russia and I'm shocked any reasonable conservative or liberal has any desire to have that. Yeah? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11418959/Vladimir-Putin-receives-a-warm-welcome-from-Hungarian-PM-Viktor-Orban.html And for the record, I don't have enough first-hand experience in Russia to make any statement on my personal feelings about how the country is run so I'm personally indifferent on his "tactics". Pardon me if I'm not too impressed or jumping up and down in joy because a candidate in the US has endorsements from the likes of Putin and Orban. 4 Link to comment
huKSer Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's not an excuse. That's literally what's happening. Russia is attempting to meddle in the presidential election. Manafort worked to install a Russian handpicked president of Ukraine in the past. Russia loves Trump and Trump loves Russia. You can turn a blind eye to that if you want. Whether or not the DNC is competent is a different discussion. So a world where 2 of the 3 (if not the top 2) world superpowers get along for the first time in ~70 years is a bad thing? I don't know, but I think that I prefer it to the kind of relationship that HC would cultivate. Your first statement is still true if Clinton wins because, you know, China has owned the Clintons since the '90s Link to comment
huskerfan2000 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Hillary.. the most shady, underhanded, egotistical, maniacal candidate we have seen in some time. Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Well, this is shaping up to be a fun ride this week. The DNC email scandal (why do scandals break out wherever the Clinton are?) Bernie supporters are mad, the DNC chair has resigned. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/07/24/bernie-sanders-supporters-dnc/ https://ca.news.yahoo.com/eve-democratic-convention-clinton-struggles-party-unity-171510915.html Here is a wild accusation from the Clinton camp: 'A RUSSIAN CONNECTION?' The Clinton camp questioned whether Russians may have had a hand in the hack attack on the party's emails and were interested in helping Trump, who has exchanged words of praise with Russian President Vladimir Putin. “What's disturbing to us is that experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, stole these emails and other experts are now saying that Russians are releasing these emails for the purpose of helping Donald Trump," Clinton campaign chairman Robby Mook said on CNN's "State of the Union." Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort said the Clinton camp was trying to distract from its party discord ahead of the convention. "What's in those emails show that it was a clearly rigged system, that Bernie Sanders ... never had a chance,” Manafort said on ABC http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3273404/Democratic-National-Committeewoman-says-party-clearing-path-Hillary-women-charge-want-way.html http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/detailed-list-findings-wikileaks-dnc-document-dump/ Here is a list of details from the above article: DNC member killing horses for insurance money. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/578 DNC making fun of black womans name. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17942 DNC telling each other, “I love you too. no homo.” https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/425 DNC requesting a pull an MSNBC commentary segment. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6107 DNC controlling the narrative with time released stories. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450 DNC conspiring to create false Trump information and release with Reuters. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102 DNC Hillary supporters infiltrated Sanders campaign. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4776 DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a “rigged system.” https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8806 DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13762 Super PAC paying young voters to push back online Sanders supporters. Paid shills. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351 DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz having an off the record meeting in MSNBC President Phil Griffin’s office. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8867 DNC being messed with by the Washington Examiner. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5304 DNC discussing Hillary’s policies as unfeasible. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/519 $200k for a private dinner with Hillary. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17287 Offering to send interns out to fake a protest against the RNC. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366 Faking outrage and pasting in a video later. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102 A mole working inside of the Sanders campaign. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7793 Bringing up Sanders religion to scare the southern voters. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11508 Possible money laundering by moving money back and forth to bypass legal limits. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6230 Politico writer sending his stories to the DNC before he sends them to his editor. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10808 DNC feeding CNN the questions they want to be asked in interviews. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077 Creating a fake job ad for a Trump business to paint him as a sexist. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803 Hillary funding 2 million dollars in a cooridanted campaign in battleground states to win back the Senate. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7784 DNC is upset that their “allies” didn’t send in protestors so they sent out interns. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366 “Clinton Foundation quid-pro-quo worries are lingering, will be exploited in general.” https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351 $50,000 – Lawrence Benenson. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/14700 Daily Fundraising Report for the DNC. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2875 Content & Social Strategy Discussion. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7512 Re: BuzzFeed and DNC connection. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10933 Draft linking news articles about trump to use as negative press. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7586 Fwd: State Dinner Countdown. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1901 Some chick is angry she hasn’t been given more stuff from the Obama administration…might be interesting to follow up. Re: State Dinner Countdown. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2946 Tim O’Brien: Trump’s Fixation on Inflating his Net Worth is a Cause for Concern. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4496 RE: May Fundraising Numbers. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5615 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7720 Hillary for America Raised $26.4 Million in April, Began May with More than $30 Million Cash on Hand. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13986 Re: For approval: Trump supporter graphics. https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/788 Press talking points, states Hillary is their candidate, dated May 5, 2016. More of a smoking gun than the ambiguous talk in the emails themselves. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/fileid/5254/2728 Consultant calling megyn kelly a bimbo. Has PDF attached that says the same. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6087 DNC trying to get away with violating the Hatch Act. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/20148 Democrats using interns to organize fake “protests.” https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13830 RE: Action on DNC tomorrow (Immigration Raids). https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/9736 Wow! Wow! Wow! I would highly encourage any Democrat or Hillary supporter to read through these links. Extremely disturbing stuff that shoots numerous holes in virtually everything the Democratic party pretends to hold dear. Making fun of an ethnic sounding name, poking fun at "homo's", infiltrating an opponents campaign for intel, admitting that the economy is bad and likely to get much worse if Hillary's proposals get enacted, spinning everything....and I've only looked at 4 or 5 of them so far. It's one thing for all of us partisans to claim the DNC or both parties are out to screw the average citizen. It's quite another to realize it is absolutely true. If you read through these wiki links and still think Hillary or Democrats are still worth voting for, I have no words. I'm not saying people should flock to Trump, cause he has his own problems, but some of this is beyond belief. The lesser of two evils my a$$. Personally I wouldn't vote for either one but if the Trump campaign can't make hay with this stuff, they are more inept than I think. I'm beginning to think he may have a legitimate shot at this, and really, nobody can say with a straight face it is more responsible or the lesser of two evils to vote for HC. And the DNC.....what a bunch of scumbags. 2 Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's not an excuse. That's literally what's happening. Russia is attempting to meddle in the presidential election. Manafort worked to install a Russian handpicked president of Ukraine in the past. Russia loves Trump and Trump loves Russia. You can turn a blind eye to that if you want. Whether or not the DNC is competent is a different discussion. So a world where 2 of the 3 (if not the top 2) world superpowers get along for the first time in ~70 years is a bad thing? I don't know, but I think that I prefer it to the kind of relationship that HC would cultivate. Russia does not have the US best interest in mind. Why do you think they would want him in office, it's not because they think he would be good for America.Russia is trying to prevent WW3. Putin has been warning for a couple of years now that he doesn't appreciate how close things are getting to his border, but people don't seem to be listening. He knows he has a better chance of preventing a war with Trump in power, so yes, Russia does not have US best interests in mind, but by doing what it can to advance this interest, the world will benefit. tldr: Things aren't always zero or negative sum. Are they? They are increasing sub ativity: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/mark-ferguson-naval-forces-europe-russian-submarines/ Multiple incident between US Military and Russian counter parts: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/us-aircraft-carrier-russian-plane-encounter/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/russia-plane-navy-uss-ross/ http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-warplanes-fly-close-to-u-s-navy-destroyer-polish-helicopter-1460549626 Harrasing US Diplomats in Europe in criminal ways: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/russia-is-harassing-us-diplomats-all-over-europe/2016/06/26/968d1a5a-3bdf-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html The plan encounters seem innocent enough. When it comes to the subs, I can only imagine that it has something to do increasing Missile Defense/shield systems moving further into Eastern Europe. Each side has its own perspectives and theories on aggression. Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The only reason Putin wants Trump in office is because he is the only person who is potentially a leader in the free world that has ever said anything decent about his tactics of ruling his country. And...quite frankly, I have absolutely NO desire to have the US ran like Putin runs Russia and I'm shocked any reasonable conservative or liberal has any desire to have that. Yeah? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11418959/Vladimir-Putin-receives-a-warm-welcome-from-Hungarian-PM-Viktor-Orban.html And for the record, I don't have enough first-hand experience in Russia to make any statement on my personal feelings about how the country is run so I'm personally indifferent on his "tactics". Pardon me if I'm not too impressed or jumping up and down in joy because a candidate in the US has endorsements from the likes of Putin and Orban. Why is that? Please tell me all that I need to know about Vladimir Putin and Orban Viktor. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 A Nebraska football message board is an odd place to find a Vladimir Putin apologist. What a time to be alive. 5 Link to comment
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