The 2016 Democrat National Convention

[Army_Allen]

For the Bernie fans out there.....has he ever said how he proposes to pay for all that massive new spending he would like to see? Trump or Clinton are scary enough but Sanders, he would be the worst of them. So glad he didn't get the nomination. That would've forced me into doing something very distasteful. Pretty concerning if he is influencing the dem platform.

I know his big push to get our money for spending was wall Street taxation. I think between that and taking away from Military spending (blasphemy to some, I know) we could heavily increase our education standards and get more people into better paying positions to bolster our economy better than any bull crap trickle down system someone like Romney wanted.

[cm husker]

Tax increases, mostly at the top, but also in general. The way most things get paid for. We can afford it, of course, which isn't the same as saying it's the best idea, or that it stood any chance of passing, or that it was going to be the panacea he wanted it to be.

 

I don't think it's a crazy idea by any means, though. I especially think his campaign was too high on ideology (good one as it may be) and too low on attention paid to policy detail. I hesitate to compare him to Trump on the latter regard, as that's some next level policy ignorance going on there.

 

Anyway. I'm very glad Bernie didn't get nominated either, so perhaps I'm not the best to give an answer.

 

Taxes on income are fundamentally unfair, and, somewhat counterintuitively, regressive.

 

We don't need tax increases. We need to stop subsidizing the Bernie Sanders of the world, or, in other words, older than dirt wealthy people who pay 1/3 the taxes on their equal income as young earners because the system is slanted in favor of wealth over income.

 

I seriously don't understand how "universal education" or even "universal health care" is remotely viable in a country as large and diverse as ours. But I do agree, he paid almost no attention to policy detail... I'd just say he was heavy on rhetoric, rather than coherent ideology (for example, pushing arguments to help immigrants while simultaneously arguing for restrictions on people who compete with American workers).

 

I 100% agree that trump is far worse, but boy am I glad it didn't come down to the two of them.

[cm husker]

 

For the Bernie fans out there.....has he ever said how he proposes to pay for all that massive new spending he would like to see? Trump or Clinton are scary enough but Sanders, he would be the worst of them. So glad he didn't get the nomination. That would've forced me into doing something very distasteful. Pretty concerning if he is influencing the dem platform.

I know his big push to get our money for spending was wall Street taxation. I think between that and taking away from Military spending (blasphemy to some, I know) we could heavily increase our education standards and get more people into better paying positions to bolster our economy better than any bull crap trickle down system someone like Romney wanted.

 

 

Why? why would that help the person who fundamentally isn't going to become or make use of a higher education?

 

I'd much rather come up with policies to help that person, such as the negative income tax or minimum income, than fund a special interest pay off like "universal education" which enriches a small group of people (administrators, professors and bankers who issue loans) at the expense of the many.

[zoogs]

If I could play devil's advocate for a moment, and I know you'll disagree, but I think whether one personally does or don't make use of higher education, they enjoy the benefits of living in a country where many people do get to obtain it.

[Army_Allen]

 

 

 

For the Bernie fans out there.....has he ever said how he proposes to pay for all that massive new spending he would like to see? Trump or Clinton are scary enough but Sanders, he would be the worst of them. So glad he didn't get the nomination. That would've forced me into doing something very distasteful. Pretty concerning if he is influencing the dem platform.

I know his big push to get our money for spending was wall Street taxation. I think between that and taking away from Military spending (blasphemy to some, I know) we could heavily increase our education standards and get more people into better paying positions to bolster our economy better than any bull crap trickle down system someone like Romney wanted.

Why? why would that help the person who fundamentally isn't going to become or make use of a higher education?

 

I'd much rather come up with policies to help that person, such as the negative income tax or minimum income, than fund a special interest pay off like "universal education" which enriches a small group of people (administrators, professors and bankers who issue loans) at the expense of the many.

Where is this at the expense of many you're getting? Are you aware of the surplus that our military spends? I remember as far back as my brief stint that generals were saying what they got funded was an egregious amount and that it'd be better spent elsewhere and we wouldn't feel it a bit if we did reallocate big chunks of it.

 

You say that students are at fault for not taking advantage of the schooling they already have, but public school is lacking heavily at the moment where they care more about turning students out than them actually moving on to higher education or setting true goals for after the student leaves the school. This is attributed to the poor pay teachers receive as well as the system (or lack thereof with NCLB). Just doing a quick Google search into what classes get any funding at all you can see why we're so poorly ranked in the world educationally for being a 1st world country.

[JJ Husker]

 

For the Bernie fans out there.....has he ever said how he proposes to pay for all that massive new spending he would like to see? Trump or Clinton are scary enough but Sanders, he would be the worst of them. So glad he didn't get the nomination. That would've forced me into doing something very distasteful. Pretty concerning if he is influencing the dem platform.

 

 

First of all, he would obviously not ever be able to achieve his more outlandish ideas because the President doesn't have that kind of unchecked power.

 

However, this confuses me a little. Very consistently (and admirably, I think), you're frustrated and calling out the hypocrisy and the lack of integrity we're finding in both national parties, with hardly any kind of reference of any kind to actual policy. But then there's Bernie, who might be crazy with policy that he'll never be able to enact, but by all public accounts has been a consistent champion for the less fortunate in our country, isn't indebted to massive donors or to wall street, and seems pretty high up on the integrity list, but in his case you mostly only seem to look at "that idea is cuckoo".

 

What's the deal there? This isn't any kind of accusation or agression btw, just genuinely confused.

There's no deal, I just have various problems with each of them. Trump and Clinton have serious character flaws and just aren't likeable. Trump hasn't actually proposed any real policies, just rhetoric. Clinton is a liar and cheat and is a good example of what's wrong with our system. But Bernie is very likeable and says a lot of the right things. Problem is his policies aren't realistically acheivable. I don't disagree with him but damn, you can't give away everything he wants to the poor, give tax relief to the middle class, institute huge amounts of new spending, and expect all of that to be paid by the top 5%. It's just bad math. My comment about him being the worst is not about his character but rather his straight up socialist approach and utopian dreaming.

[TGHusker]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/07/26/missing-topic-from-dnc-day-one-isis-n2197872

 

The missing topic from day 1 - ISIS and the Dem's plan to do something about it. It isn't their strong point and recent events are playing into the 'law and order candidate's" (Trump's words for himself) hands.

 

Also, I saw all of the emphasis on stopping TPP as though that will differentiate them from Trump - however, Trump doesn't like TPP either. It sounded like they wanted to take the Trump message of returning jobs to the USA and make it their own message last night. Correcting bad trade deals has been a cornerstone of Trump's campaign. TPP was negotiated under a Dem president - Obama, NAFTA was signed into law under Clinton (though started by GHWB) so the Dems are every bit as guilty of outsourcing jobs as the repubs have been.

 

As Bernie and Warren talked about all of the programs, I thought I was listening to a convention of the Democratic Socialist Party of America. I was wondering if there were any Lenin signs in the crowd. How does one pay for all of these proposals but to replace one burden for another ( example burden to pay for tuition wt the higher tax burden). Yes, this is the most 'progressive' platform in the party's history and to me that is not a good thing. Communism is mighty progressive also. Is that over the top Maybe but one step leads to another and this party is led by the 1960's radicals of my youth. Ok I'll get off of my and stop my

[mrandyk]

If I could play devil's advocate for a moment, and I know you'll disagree, but I think whether one personally does or don't make use of higher education, they enjoy the benefits of living in a country where many people do get to obtain it.

It is a common good, so it's not at all a leap to say uneducated people will benefit from being surrounded by a higher number of educated individuals.

[Red Five]

 

As Bernie and Warren talked about all of the programs, I thought I was listening to a convention of the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

 

Agree here. I'm going to give the D higher ups some credit and think that it was a great plan to get Warren/Sanders out of the way night 1 (and have Michelle speak to hopefully take attention off them in the news cycle). Appease the far left of the party right away, then hopefully move on with some more "centered" speakers. Bill tonight, then Obama/Biden/Kaine on Wednesday. And then Chelsea and Hillary on Thursday.

[Red Five]

Back to Michelle, she had a serious takedown of Trump in her speech without ever mentioning him. The problems aren't solved in 140 characters, not making spur of the moment decisions, not wanting a thin-skinned leader, etc. It was almost like she was baiting him to attack her. He took shots at Booker, Warren, and Sanders last night on twitter, but not Michelle. I'm waiting to see if he can restrain himself from taking a shot today if he is asked about it or goes on one of his stream of consciousness talks.

[TGHusker]

 

 

As Bernie and Warren talked about all of the programs, I thought I was listening to a convention of the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

 

Agree here. I'm going to give the D higher ups some credit and think that it was a great plan to get Warren/Sanders out of the way night 1. Appease the far left of the party right away, then hopefully move on with some more "centered" speakers. Bill tonight, then Obama/Biden/Kaine on Wednesday. And then Chelsea and Hillary on Thursday.

 

Yes, that sounds pretty reasonable. One thing I'll have to give Bernie kudos for is that he didn't pull a Cruz and walk off the platform not endorsing Hillary. My wife and I observed that as a stark contrast (Cruz ended up looking pretty small) and the Dems will be better for it. His delegates got their time in the sun and he presented his full 'sermon' without alienating the Clinton supporters. We'll see how well the Bernie supporters fall in line the rest of the week.

[knapplc]

I love how these parties bring on this dog & pony show of glitterati that's supposed to reaffirm the voter's opinion that THIS is the correct candidate for me. It's like Ford advertising their trucks to people who've already bought one, trying to build brand loyalty. The whole thing is a show. It's just that neither Hillary nor Donald make much of a prize at the end of all the pomp & circumstance. You know?

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

For the Bernie fans out there.....has he ever said how he proposes to pay for all that massive new spending he would like to see? Trump or Clinton are scary enough but Sanders, he would be the worst of them. So glad he didn't get the nomination. That would've forced me into doing something very distasteful. Pretty concerning if he is influencing the dem platform.

I know his big push to get our money for spending was wall Street taxation. I think between that and taking away from Military spending (blasphemy to some, I know) we could heavily increase our education standards and get more people into better paying positions to bolster our economy better than any bull crap trickle down system someone like Romney wanted.

Why? why would that help the person who fundamentally isn't going to become or make use of a higher education?

 

I'd much rather come up with policies to help that person, such as the negative income tax or minimum income, than fund a special interest pay off like "universal education" which enriches a small group of people (administrators, professors and bankers who issue loans) at the expense of the many.

Where is this at the expense of many you're getting? Are you aware of the surplus that our military spends? I remember as far back as my brief stint that generals were saying what they got funded was an egregious amount and that it'd be better spent elsewhere and we wouldn't feel it a bit if we did reallocate big chunks of it.

 

You say that students are at fault for not taking advantage of the schooling they already have, but public school is lacking heavily at the moment where they care more about turning students out than them actually moving on to higher education or setting true goals for after the student leaves the school. This is attributed to the poor pay teachers receive as well as the system (or lack thereof with NCLB). Just doing a quick Google search into what classes get any funding at all you can see why we're so poorly ranked in the world educationally for being a 1st world country.

Who did you mean to reply to? Because your post had almost nothing to do with mine.

[StPaulHusker]

 

 

 

JJ, you're aware that the Democratic party is a private organization, and not the actual government, right?

 

This isn't remotely like Watergate. It's the Panama Papers.

Correct. From what I have seen anyway, the things in the emails are perfectly legal for the DNC to be talking about. However, it should show their members something very disturbing in the behind the scenes operations of a political party. And...for the record.....The Republicans should feel very uneasy about this too.

 

This is what happens in political parties. It's a bunch of total scum bags that really don't give a flying rip about you or me. All they care about is that person who can raise 1,000,000 for the party and how can we beat the other party (no matter if is't morally right or not).

 

I will 102.73% guarantee that, were the RNC emails hacked, there would be similar conversations about Trump. Like Bernie, Trump is an outsider to the party who usurped the primaries and diverted them from what the party wanted. Unlike Bernie, Trump actually won.

 

Just because Trump won doesn't mean the Republican party is happy about it, and didn't try to prevent it.

 

Let's not kid ourselves.

 

How about we wait until the RNC actually gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar also before we use that to excuse the actual transgressions of the ones who did get caught this time? And, if you're right about the RNC not wanting Trump (like you probably are), does that make what the DNC did any better? No, it doesn't. Once again, two wrongs don't make a right. My point isn't that the repubs are better but rather that both national parties are not worthy of anyone's support.

 

These things so often seem to go against the R's and in favor of the D's. Surely, you wouldn't begrudge anyone the opportunity to present the other side of the coin when it appears.

 

Don't really have to wait for leaked emails from the RNC. Trump tweets disparaging things to the public virtually every hour.

[AFhusker]

 

 

 

As Bernie and Warren talked about all of the programs, I thought I was listening to a convention of the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

 

Agree here. I'm going to give the D higher ups some credit and think that it was a great plan to get Warren/Sanders out of the way night 1. Appease the far left of the party right away, then hopefully move on with some more "centered" speakers. Bill tonight, then Obama/Biden/Kaine on Wednesday. And then Chelsea and Hillary on Thursday.

 

Yes, that sounds pretty reasonable. One thing I'll have to give Bernie kudos for is that he didn't pull a Cruz and walk off the platform not endorsing Hillary. My wife and I observed that as a stark contrast (Cruz ended up looking pretty small) and the Dems will be better for it. His delegates got their time in the sun and he presented his full 'sermon' without alienating the Clinton supporters. We'll see how well the Bernie supporters fall in line the rest of the week.

 

What Bernie did was punk out on his supporters which is why he was booed earlier in the day. He ran against the corruption of the party and when he has proof of it, falls in line like the rest of the sheep. I have more respect for Cruz now than I do Bernie and I can't stand Cruz. This makes his entire run a sham it is sad that he wilted when it was his time to shine.

 

Does anyone else see a problem with Hillary immediately hiring Wasserman-Shultz to Co-Lead her General Election Campeign after she was forced to resign?

 

It's also funny how people's pro Bernie signs were being confiscated last night. But you don't see that covered on 99% of the news channels.

 

http://www.attn.com/stories/10203/sanders-supporters-signs-confiscated-at-dnc

 

A vote for this version of the DNC is a vote for corruption. The entire party is a sham and If people understandably don't like Trump, then I would seriously think about voting 3rd party to show that this crap isn't going to be acceptable anymore. That will send a message to both parties that they need to get their sh#t together as that is the only way to start any kind of real change.