Landlord Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Okay, so his protest and not standing is an empty gesture. But isn't standing for the national anthem before a sporting event just as equally an empty gesture? What does that accomplish? People have already been supporting our country for years. Gee....did that help anyone? Link to comment
TAKODA Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Okay, so his protest and not standing is an empty gesture. But isn't standing for the national anthem before a sporting event just as equally an empty gesture? What does that accomplish? People have already been supporting our country for years. Gee....did that help anyone? Guess it depends on how someone is raised as well as what decade you were born? The old saying is; "Respect is earned, not a given" Today's society has a hard time recognizing the difference. Link to comment
Red Dead Redemption Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 Okay, so his protest and not standing is an empty gesture. But isn't standing for the national anthem before a sporting event just as equally an empty gesture? What does that accomplish? People have already been supporting our country for years. Gee....did that help anyone? Why should anyone remove their hats inside a place of worship? What does that accomplish? God can still see them with their hat on. Or at a funeral/wake/procession? Its an empty gesture. The person is already dead. They aren't around to object. Removing your hat or being quiet/somber is not helping them. Link to comment
Landlord Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Okay, so his protest and not standing is an empty gesture. But isn't standing for the national anthem before a sporting event just as equally an empty gesture? What does that accomplish? People have already been supporting our country for years. Gee....did that help anyone? Why should anyone remove their hats inside a place of worship? What does that accomplish? God can still see them with their hat on. Or at a funeral/wake/procession? Its an empty gesture. The person is already dead. They aren't around to object. It's not helping them. I completely agree with both of those things. Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Okay, so his protest and not standing is an empty gesture. But isn't standing for the national anthem before a sporting event just as equally an empty gesture? What does that accomplish? People have already been supporting our country for years. Gee....did that help anyone? Why should anyone remove their hats inside a place of worship? What does that accomplish? God can still see them with their hat on.Or at a funeral/wake/procession? Its an empty gesture. The person is already dead. They aren't around to object. It's not helping them. I completely agree with both of those things. So, showing basic, remedial levels of respect by conforming to accepted social constructs is not important? Maybe you should go to that church naked and and eating a box of tacos or show up at that funeral with a boom box blaring on your shoulder. I mean nothing matters, right? 2 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I guess I was raised that showing respect for others is important. It's somewhat sad that some people don't think that is true anymore. 2 Link to comment
Red Dead Redemption Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 Okay, so his protest and not standing is an empty gesture. But isn't standing for the national anthem before a sporting event just as equally an empty gesture? What does that accomplish? People have already been supporting our country for years. Gee....did that help anyone? Why should anyone remove their hats inside a place of worship? What does that accomplish? God can still see them with their hat on.Or at a funeral/wake/procession? Its an empty gesture. The person is already dead. They aren't around to object. It's not helping them. I completely agree with both of those things. Then you also probably agree it's an empty gesture for Disney to no longer make jokes about crocs eating kids on the Jungle Cruise and Kilimanjaro Safari? 1 Link to comment
Saunders Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Anyone else find it odd that after protesting systemic government oppression and racism... that he wore a shirt with Fidel Castro on it at the press conference? https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/770320923727650816/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Guess I was the only one who notice the irony... 2 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Anyone else find it odd that after protesting systemic government oppression and racism... that he wore a shirt with Fidel Castro on it at the press conference? https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/770320923727650816/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Guess I was the only one who notice the irony... I didn't see this post till now. The guy is an idiot. Link to comment
TAKODA Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I am out of here, going back to the Football boards, this sh*t irritates me to no end! +1 JJ, RedDead, BigRedBuster, Bnil, Saunders. Link to comment
Enhance Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I posted the following in another thread in regards to playing the national anthem before sporting contests. This is a pretty interesting article surrounding the playing of the national anthem during sporting events. http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6957582/the-history-national-anthem-sports-espn-magazine If you don't want to click, at it's core, the Star Spangled Banner is a battle song (and sports are a "battle") that basically taunts someone (in the case of the song, Britain) and then tells them to look at the flag (aka "Scoreboard.") It also has a lot of history steeped in baseball, and a lot of Americans felt even more tied to the anthem following 9/11 and some of the incredible displays of patriotism that happened at sporting events following those attacks. 1 Link to comment
Red Dead Redemption Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 Guess I was the only one who notice the irony... No, others noticed, but just felt like it was the perfect mic drop, with no need to further point out CKs misguided idiocy. Link to comment
Red Dead Redemption Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 Gonna say something unpopular here. It always seems weird to me when the Huskers carry the American flag out onto the field. They're playing a sport. It's not blessed by God or by the country. We build up sports to a weird level of importance. (Btw - I know they got the flag from someone in the military who spoke to them a few years ago) I feel the same way about my neighbors, who fly an American flag almost every day. It's just a normal day, not even a holiday or special event. Their home isn't blessed by God or their country. Do they think they are better than the rest of us? Link to comment
Landlord Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Okay, so his protest and not standing is an empty gesture. But isn't standing for the national anthem before a sporting event just as equally an empty gesture? What does that accomplish? People have already been supporting our country for years. Gee....did that help anyone? Why should anyone remove their hats inside a place of worship? What does that accomplish? God can still see them with their hat on.Or at a funeral/wake/procession? Its an empty gesture. The person is already dead. They aren't around to object. It's not helping them. I completely agree with both of those things. So, showing basic, remedial levels of respect by conforming to accepted social constructs is not important? Maybe you should go to that church naked and and eating a box of tacos or show up at that funeral with a boom box blaring on your shoulder. I mean nothing matters, right? It's not that it's not a good idea (I try to be sensitive to my cultural surroundings as much as anyone), it's that if someone decides not to do it intentionally and with a purpose, or even if it's just on accident/out of ignorance, it shouldn't be considered a big deal. Showing up to a funeral with a boom box blaring on your shoulder is, at least I'm guessing, only done to be reactionary. I can't say if that is what CK is doing. He's done this all pre-season without anyone noticing, so it doesn't seem at least on first glance like he's just trying to be contrarian for the sake of attention. Seems more like he's making a personal decision, and he can't exactly stop people from seeing him make that decision in a stadium full of people. I don't think they're the same thing. Link to comment
Saunders Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 FTR, Kaep's fine doing this, as it's his 1st amendment right. But, might wanna do some research on stuff before looking foolish. Link to comment
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