Trump's America

knapplc · January 27, 2017

Hey, let's get cozier with Russia.

zoogs · January 27, 2017

That's actually an old Russian proverb?

BigRedBuster · January 27, 2017

Here is a very informative article that goes against some of the things I have said here.

ZRod · January 27, 2017

I'm no economist and I don't run a business, so BRB, JJ, Tood, if you guys could educate me on how this works, I'd be happy to learn. Where do we get these wires from if not from Mexico? How long, realistically, does it take to stop production in Mexico and start it somewhere else?

https://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/824728823191207936

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/824730368880189442

It depends on if an American company makes the wires and owns the factory or not. If you are going to switch production from Mexico to either the US or China, that could take at least 6 months to a year....or more. Let me put it this way, this is probably fairly specialized equipment to make this wire. I use fairly specialized equipment too. (not the same industry) I purchased a piece of equipment for production back in December. It won't be delivered and installed till May. And...that was after researching the equipment for probably 6 months to make sure we were getting what we need. This stuff just isn't sitting on a shelf somewhere.
And, that is equipment going into an existing plant. Let's say they want to start producing that in Omaha. It's possible they would need to either build a plant or completely retrofit an existing building....which takes a long time.

Now, if they own the equipment and are going to move it, it could be a little faster. But, if Mexico is pissed off at us bad enough, they could make it extremely difficult to get that shipped and across the border.

What would probably happen in the mean time is I'm sure France's Airbus has a European or Asian supplier. It's possible they could make this type of wire and supply us even if it were a temporary fix till production is up and running in the US.

BRB is pretty much on point. I'm guessing their tools (machines) are pretty big since we're talking airliners, and there are likey quite a few of them. Just moving the equipment to a new facility would take a minimum 6 months, paper work needs to be done, quotes made, checks written, engineering reviews, parts broken down, parts shipped, parts reassembled, production runs done to evaluate that the new parts are good... it's not a short process. That's assuming everything goes smoothly too.

Switching suppliers would be easier, but that could get you into the legal realm with contracts and such. Even a supplier switch could take 6 months, they need to verify their plant can handle the volume, possibly build up stock for production, paper work, quotes, write checks, and all that jazz.

BigRedBuster · January 27, 2017

I'm no economist and I don't run a business, so BRB, JJ, Tood, if you guys could educate me on how this works, I'd be happy to learn. Where do we get these wires from if not from Mexico? How long, realistically, does it take to stop production in Mexico and start it somewhere else?

https://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/824728823191207936

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/824730368880189442

It depends on if an American company makes the wires and owns the factory or not. If you are going to switch production from Mexico to either the US or China, that could take at least 6 months to a year....or more. Let me put it this way, this is probably fairly specialized equipment to make this wire. I use fairly specialized equipment too. (not the same industry) I purchased a piece of equipment for production back in December. It won't be delivered and installed till May. And...that was after researching the equipment for probably 6 months to make sure we were getting what we need. This stuff just isn't sitting on a shelf somewhere.
And, that is equipment going into an existing plant. Let's say they want to start producing that in Omaha. It's possible they would need to either build a plant or completely retrofit an existing building....which takes a long time.

Now, if they own the equipment and are going to move it, it could be a little faster. But, if Mexico is pissed off at us bad enough, they could make it extremely difficult to get that shipped and across the border.

What would probably happen in the mean time is I'm sure France's Airbus has a European or Asian supplier. It's possible they could make this type of wire and supply us even if it were a temporary fix till production is up and running in the US.

BRB is pretty much on point. I'm guessing their tools (machines) are pretty big since we're talking airliners, and there are likey quite a few of them. Just moving the equipment to a new facility would take a minimum 6 months, paper work needs to be done, quotes made, checks written, engineering reviews, parts broken down, parts shipped, parts reassembled, production runs done to evaluate that the new parts are good... it's not a short process. That's assuming everything goes smoothly too.

Switching suppliers would be easier, but that could get you into the legal realm with contracts and such. Even a supplier switch could take 6 months, they need to verify their plant can handle the volume, possibly build up stock for production, paper work, quotes, write checks, and all that jazz.

If a company needs to attain financing to accomplish this, that pushes it back even farther.

ZRod · January 27, 2017

I'm no economist and I don't run a business, so BRB, JJ, Tood, if you guys could educate me on how this works, I'd be happy to learn. Where do we get these wires from if not from Mexico? How long, realistically, does it take to stop production in Mexico and start it somewhere else?

https://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/824728823191207936

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/824730368880189442

It depends on if an American company makes the wires and owns the factory or not. If you are going to switch production from Mexico to either the US or China, that could take at least 6 months to a year....or more. Let me put it this way, this is probably fairly specialized equipment to make this wire. I use fairly specialized equipment too. (not the same industry) I purchased a piece of equipment for production back in December. It won't be delivered and installed till May. And...that was after researching the equipment for probably 6 months to make sure we were getting what we need. This stuff just isn't sitting on a shelf somewhere.
And, that is equipment going into an existing plant. Let's say they want to start producing that in Omaha. It's possible they would need to either build a plant or completely retrofit an existing building....which takes a long time.

Now, if they own the equipment and are going to move it, it could be a little faster. But, if Mexico is pissed off at us bad enough, they could make it extremely difficult to get that shipped and across the border.

What would probably happen in the mean time is I'm sure France's Airbus has a European or Asian supplier. It's possible they could make this type of wire and supply us even if it were a temporary fix till production is up and running in the US.

BRB is pretty much on point. I'm guessing their tools (machines) are pretty big since we're talking airliners, and there are likey quite a few of them. Just moving the equipment to a new facility would take a minimum 6 months, paper work needs to be done, quotes made, checks written, engineering reviews, parts broken down, parts shipped, parts reassembled, production runs done to evaluate that the new parts are good... it's not a short process. That's assuming everything goes smoothly too.
Switching suppliers would be easier, but that could get you into the legal realm with contracts and such. Even a supplier switch could take 6 months, they need to verify their plant can handle the volume, possibly build up stock for production, paper work, quotes, write checks, and all that jazz.

If a company needs to attain financing to accomplish this, that pushes it back even farther.

I didn't even think about that...

This simple engineer doesn't get to look that far into the company's purse.

GM_Tood · January 27, 2017

Here is a very informative article that goes against some of the things I have said here.

Nice find there. :thumbs

BigRedBuster · January 27, 2017

BigRedBuster · January 27, 2017

commando · January 27, 2017