BigRedBuster Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Moiraine said: And I’m guessing someone will mention it because someone always does, yes, younger people have tended to be more Democrat, but never in history have young people been this unbalanced away from the GOP. You're right. I think a large part of that, right now, is because of what is said in the Conservative Independent tweet. Link to comment
Moiraine Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: You're right. I think a large part of that, right now, is because of what is said in the Conservative Independent tweet. Part of it was Trump, but before Trump, millennials were already leaning more away from the GOP than any previous generation at their age. A Twitter account named Conservative independent isn't going to want to believe that anything other than Trump and the changes to the party since Trump became president are to blame. 1 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: Im not sure why people think its only Trump. I have a laundry list of GOP congressman that are repulsive, evil and lying people. But yes, lets keep blaming Trump. 5 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Moiraine said: Part of it was Trump, but before Trump, millennials were already leaning more away from the GOP than any previous generation at their age. A Twitter account named Conservative independent isn't going to want to believe that anything other than Trump and the changes to the party since Trump became president are to blame. 30 minutes ago, Frott Scost said: Im not sure why people think its only Trump. I have a laundry list of GOP congressman that are repulsive, evil and lying people. But yes, lets keep blaming Trump. I just want to clarify, I didn't say it was only because of Trump. This has been building for quite a while. Trump just put it over the top and is preventing any real conservative movement to move forward and have a real conversation about issues. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I hadn't looked at this for a long time. Your comments got me interested. Interestingly, People who claim to be Republican are about equal with people who claim to be Democrat. Since the election, it swung in the direction of the Democrats. It seems to be evening out again. Still, Independents are the largest group. LINK Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I just want to clarify, I didn't say it was only because of Trump. This has been building for quite a while. Trump just put it over the top and is preventing any real conservative movement to move forward and have a real conversation about issues. I was more responding to that tweeter than you, even though he/she cant see what I wrote . 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: I hadn't looked at this for a long time. Your comments got me interested. Interestingly, People who claim to be Republican are about equal with people who claim to be Democrat. Since the election, it swung in the direction of the Democrats. It seems to be evening out again. Still, Independents are the largest group. LINK Yep. There are lots of boomers. Link to comment
Ulty Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Alabama Mayor Suggests “Killing” LGBTQ People Is “Only Way” to Fix Society’s Problems https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/alabama-mayor-facebook-post-killing-lgbtq-community.html?fbclid=IwAR0JoZs3RcLFrKQ-beIqRQT4iOB8g51_Zi3Qz0MomlQykHfuaCEV1n5xqKY&fbclid=IwAR0dCnn6MtMDFmcCPC4CKI4cm2JBN2W3-9dPFVnt3UNAseSRiwV9xpTdx40&fbclid=IwAR1WXJSARkO0fLk4GmrZ073z4GwBpWeFK6hKULS_st91-_wCisxxg-r3toU Mark Chambers, the mayor of Carbon Hill, Alabama, made the comment in response to his own post listing what he saw as society’s ills. “We live in a society where homosexuals lecture us on morals, transvestites lecture us on human biology, baby killers lecture us on human rights and socialists lecture us on economics,” he wrote. A Facebook friend of his replied to the comment: “By giving the minority more rights than the majority. I hate to think of the country my grandkids will live in unless somehow we change and I think that will take a revolution.” Chambers responded to that comment with his solution. “The only way to change it would be to kill the problem out. I know it’s bad to say but with out killing them out there’s no way to fix it.” 2 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Read this thread. And read this piece. The worst people in American politics (Trump, Bannon, Kobach, Ross, et al.) are trying to rig the 2020 Census to give them a leg up for the next decade and beyond, just like they gerrymandered the hell out of things last time. @Notre Dame Joe This is why Republicans are worse than Democrats for democracy. This is a scumbag Republican scheme explicitly done to transfer power away from Democratic areas to Republican areas in a completely undemocratic fashion. I'd love to hear your thoughts. What a dirty bunch of cheaters. They know their ideas aren't popular, so they need to cheat to hold onto power. 2 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 The shameful gerrymandering issue aside ^^ this OP-ED piece notes how limited govt conservatism may ultimately have a come back - as opposed to the tax cut but keep on spending GOPers we now have in office. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-limited-government-conservatism-is-likely-to-make-a-comeback-after-trump Quote Though Trump has captured the Republican Party, it isn't clear that Trumpism will survive in any coherent form once he exits the stage, because so much of it is tied up in his unique personality. There are plenty of Republicans who may not agree with him on every issue, but like his pugilistic style and the zeal with which he punches back at their common enemies. It's possible that some aspects of his eclectic ideology will succeed him (more skepticism of free trade, more hawkishness on immigration, and less appetite for foreign interventions). But a lot will depend on how successful he is for the remainder of his presidency. Republican candidates haven't exactly tried to follow in the footsteps of either of the Bushes, but for decades, they tried to claim to be in the mold of Ronald Reagan. The shape of the Republican Party will be determined in large part by whether Trump is defeated in 2020/has a disastrous second term or if he gets reelected and somehow miraculously emerges as a popular outgoing president. There are also several reasons to believe that limited-government conservatism specifically will reassert itself. One reason is this chart of the Congressional Budget Office's long-term debt projections. As a percentage of the economy, U.S. debt is entering an unprecedented era. It will soon exceed the all time peak of World War II, but unlike the 1940s, the debt isn't caused by one significant event that will soon go away. Baby boomers will continue to retire in large numbers, they will live longer, and they will consume more expensive healthcare. To prevent a crisis will require some combination of tax increases or reductions in spending. Republicans reminded us during the Trump era that if there's one thing they can agree on legislatively, it's that they want lower taxes. So, when the debt problem becomes a more immediate concern, it's inevitable that the faction with plenty ideas for shrinking government programs in the face of Democratic attempts to raise taxes will regain influence. (Congressional Budget Office) Another reason why limited-government conservatism is likely to make a comeback is a more cynical one. At some point, a Democrat will be back in the White House, and whenever that has happened historically, Republicans have tended to care more about spending, deficits, and limits on executive power. We saw this when Republicans took over Congress in 1994 and in the Tea Party-fueled victories in 2010 and 2014. As soon as a Democratic president proposes his or her first budget, a new crop of Republicans will be warning about the crushing debt burden. Sure, Republicans have shredded a lot of credibility on the issue given their acquiescence during the Trump era. But that will not inhibit Republicans from advancing such criticisms, especially younger candidates who were not in Congress during the Trump era. Additionally, Democrats in the post-Trump era are pushing for a dramatic, unprecedented expansion of the size and scope of government. Even Joe Biden, the supposed centrist in the 2020 Democratic race, has called for giving all Americans access to some sort of Medicare-like plan and just unveiled a $5 trillion proposal aimed at combating climate change. Even if Democrats don't go fully socialist in 2020, the direction they're heading in is clear and will inevitably be met with equal and opposite force on the Right. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: It wasn't a friendly fox Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 So dignified and respectful. 3 Link to comment
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