Kiyoat Husker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Bornhusker said: Do you know how many leave each year? Ask and you shall receive... less than 50,000 TOTAL immigrants from Norway living in the US in 2000. That's cumulative immigration over many years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/586510/emigration-from-norway/ Looks like around 40,000 people emigrate from Norway each year. That may sound like a lot, but its actually pretty low. People move around a lot, especially in Europe. And those that leave are NOT going to the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate This is interesting. Net migration is immigration minus emigration. Norway has one of the highest net migration rates per capita in the world. That means they are taking in WAY more than are leaving. Tenth highest in the world, and second among developed countries behind Switzerland, and just ahead of Australia, Canada and Sweden. That was all, of course, completely unnecessary. And a lengthy tangent. But you did ask (assuming I wouldn't have an answer). So I thought I would oblige. Good day 3 Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-demands-poem-on-statue-of-liberty-be-revised-to-exclude-s#!thole-countries WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump demanded on Thursday that the poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty be revised immediately to exclude nations he considered “s#!thole countries.” Speaking to reporters, Trump said that the poem as it currently stands “is basically an open invitation that says, like, if you come from a s#!thole country, welcome aboard.” “I don’t know the entire poem, but it’s something like ‘Give us your tired, your poor, your yadda yadda yadda,’ ” he said. “We could keep all that but then put in, right at the end, in big letters, maybe, ‘except if you’re from a s#!thole country.’ ” “I think if a boat from a s#!thole country came and saw that poem with those words at the end, they would turn around and go right back to wherever they came from,” he said. Shortly after Trump made his remarks about “s#!thole” countries, representatives of the countries he designated as such released a joint response. “We do not understand President Trump’s aversion to so-called ‘s#!thole countries,’ since he is doing his best to turn the United States into one,” the statement read. (this is satire, BTW) 4 Link to comment
Landlord Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Kiyoat Husker said: No, I couldn't find that. Only a site offering asylum to Americans in Norway. Here's something: http://www.who.int/gho/mental_health/suicide_rates/en/ The World Health Organization reports a 19.5 per 100k suicide rate for the United States. Norway was 12.9. I'll link the studies on the link between more guns and higher suicide rates a little later, if you like. There is a 90% success rate with a gun, vs. much lower with other methods. Gotta feed the kids, so I'll be back later... 2 hours ago, Kiyoat Husker said: Ask and you shall receive... less than 50,000 TOTAL immigrants from Norway living in the US in 2000. That's cumulative immigration over many years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/586510/emigration-from-norway/ Looks like around 40,000 people emigrate from Norway each year. That may sound like a lot, but its actually pretty low. People move around a lot, especially in Europe. And those that leave are NOT going to the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate This is interesting. Net migration is immigration minus emigration. Norway has one of the highest net migration rates per capita in the world. That means they are taking in WAY more than are leaving. Tenth highest in the world, and second among developed countries behind Switzerland, and just ahead of Australia, Canada and Sweden. That was all, of course, completely unnecessary. And a lengthy tangent. But you did ask (assuming I wouldn't have an answer). So I thought I would oblige. Good day Hmmm....this is weird. It's almost like @Bornhusker's assertions aren't supported at all by the data, and are even actually completely disproven by statistical evidence? That can't be... 1 Link to comment
Bornhusker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Landlord said: Hmmm....this is weird. It's almost like @Bornhusker's assertions aren't supported at all by the data, and are even actually completely disproven by statistical evidence? That can't be... My last comment in this thread.. You originally said they are not leaving, then you found out they do leave and you found out they have left and have migrated to the US.. so you qualify that with "but not very many" and then again with "its actually pretty low". YOU made the claim they are not leaving, I didn't make any claim period.. I said "maybe" because of high taxes and high suicide rates. SO, in reality YOU are the one who has his facts wrong, not me. You dind't disprove anything I said. plus, to top it off, you give a report that is 16 years old! For the record.. wikipedia can be changed by anyone, not a site to use to back your claims. Edited January 12, 2018 by Bornhusker Link to comment
NM11046 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Kiyoat Husker said: Ask and you shall receive... less than 50,000 TOTAL immigrants from Norway living in the US in 2000. That's cumulative immigration over many years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/586510/emigration-from-norway/ Looks like around 40,000 people emigrate from Norway each year. That may sound like a lot, but its actually pretty low. People move around a lot, especially in Europe. And those that leave are NOT going to the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate This is interesting. Net migration is immigration minus emigration. Norway has one of the highest net migration rates per capita in the world. That means they are taking in WAY more than are leaving. Tenth highest in the world, and second among developed countries behind Switzerland, and just ahead of Australia, Canada and Sweden. That was all, of course, completely unnecessary. And a lengthy tangent. But you did ask (assuming I wouldn't have an answer). So I thought I would oblige. Good day Sooooo interesting. Thank you for the follow-up info. Interesting to me the gray areas here - so they don't even qualify with min numbers in 2000. Africa is the one I clued into based on his comments yesterday. I wonder if that changed during the last 15 years? Probably a bit, but I'm guessing it's still gray or at best there might be a couple more light peach in color. It should be noted that the areas that show immigrants in Africa (Nigeria, Ghana, Egypt & Ethiopia) are not on his "banned" list. 1 Link to comment
mrandyk Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Bornhusker said: My last comment in this thread.. You originally said they are not leaving, then you found out they do leave and you found out they have left and have migrated to the US.. so you qualify that with "but not very many" and then again with "its actually pretty low". YOU made the claim they are not leaving, I didn't make any claim period.. I said "maybe" because of high taxes and high suicide rates. SO, in reality YOU are the one who has his facts wrong, not me. You dind't disprove anything I said. plus, to top it off, you give a report that is 16 years old! For the record.. wikipedia can be changed by anyone, not a site to use to back your claims. The content on Wikipedia is sourced. Your argument is terrible. 3 Link to comment
Bornhusker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, mrandyk said: The content on Wikipedia is sourced. Your argument is terrible. is it really? I edited it to prove my point! Link to comment
Bornhusker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) Maybe you didn't like that one.. try this one. Edited January 12, 2018 by Bornhusker Link to comment
TGHusker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: LOL....It's been a fun week. I've been accused of being a conservative shill secret Republican that supports horrible conservative economic views......and.....too liberal to even have a discussion with. What a time to be alive. That is funny. Kind of like Medieval times - we'll stretch you wt horses from both direction. How are you feeling? Part of the issue is when you stray away from the far left or far right plantation. If a the person responding to your post is highly partisan either direction, you'll be a target. Edited January 12, 2018 by TGHusker 1 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, Bornhusker said: Maybe you didn't like that one.. try this one. Hey, an argument you might win! Forget that immigration stuff, that's hard. 2 Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Bornhusker said: For the record.. wikipedia can be changed by anyone, not a site to use to back your claims. I find Wikipedia to be quite useful as a clearinghouse of information, and as a place to START your research. Yes, you can (temporarily) make stupid changes to the site, but the great thing is that Wikipedia shows its sources. The data I referenced in Wikipedia came from the CIA's World Factbook. Try this link to the same data: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html 2 Link to comment
Bornhusker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 59 minutes ago, RedDenver said: Hey, an argument you might win! Forget that immigration stuff, that's hard. chuckle, there is no "winning" arguments in forums like these. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bornhusker said: chuckle, there is no "winning" arguments in forums like these. The same could be said of convincing posters that they're incorrect in their assumptions and/or conclusions. Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kiyoat Husker said: I find Wikipedia to be quite useful as a clearinghouse of information, and as a place to START your research. Yes, you can (temporarily) make stupid changes to the site, but the great thing is that Wikipedia shows its sources. The data I referenced in Wikipedia came from the CIA's World Factbook. Try this link to the same data: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html This is how to skewer the childish dismissal of Wikipedia as a source. Use Wikipedia to begin your research, go to their source pages, and then use that in your actual argument. It prevents these tangents where people ignore the point and argue about Wikipedia. 2 Link to comment
Bornhusker Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, RedDenver said: The same could be said of convincing posters that they're incorrect in their assumptions and/or conclusions. You are 100% correct! Link to comment
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