knapplc Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I never even thought about bringing charges from the states. That's fantastic. 2 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, knapplc said: I never even thought about bringing charges from the states. That's fantastic. Yep, Trump can't pardon non-federal crimes. And anyone wanting a not-sensationalized legal discussion of what the charges may mean, take a look at this Popehat blog post: https://www.popehat.com/2017/10/30/lawsplainer-the-manafortgates-indictment/ 1 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 Deep thoughts by a Patriot Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 7 hours ago, knapplc said: Remember, the Manafort indictment is just a tactic. The goal is to get him to flip on the rest, and so on and so on up the chain until they get to... wherever the top is. This is only just beginning. Mueller has only been on the job for five months. We have a long way to go - maybe enough time for the Republicans to find their spines and actually do something about this. Do you really think they will find their spines? I doubt it. Probably only if they feel threatened to go down wt Trump wt the 2018 elections. Repubs for their own sake and their own best interests would be best advised to get this thing resolved - good or bad- as soon as possible. 2018 could be a blood bath if the Dems get solid, younger candidates to run (the party has too many old people in leadership) and if the repubs can be shown as obstructing (not is a legal way as that would be illegal) or slowing down the Mueller investigation. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 7 hours ago, VectorVictor said: Not to mention even if it were true (which is an "IF" the size of Russia), it's still a damning indictment on Trump's incompetence and inability to lead. Got that right. The whole Don Jr episode in the Trump tower, the hiring of Manafort to begin with and also 'not knowing' about Flynn's conflicts show's Trump's incompetence very clearly. 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 6 hours ago, commando said: yep...he is cooperating This guy may be the John Dean of Russia gate. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=66022082&pgtype=article Mr. Papadopoulos was quietly arrested at Washington Dulles Airport on July 27 and has since been cooperating with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, records show. Mr. Papadopoulos’s conversation in April raises more questions about a subsequent meeting in June at Trump Tower, where Mr. Trump’s eldest son and senior advisers met with Russians who were similarly promising damaging information on Mrs. Clinton. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Here's Popehat's take on the Papadopoulos plea: https://www.popehat.com/2017/10/30/lawsplainer-the-george-papadopoulos-guilty-plea/ Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Here's a good primer on why Hillary being tied to the Uranium One deal doesn't make sense: https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-uranium-one-hype-and-law From the article: Quote I focus exclusively on the transfer and the U.S. government's approval of it. I am not, in this post, considering the evidence—such as it is—of donations to the Clinton Foundation. My reasoning is simple: if there is no "quo" to be given, the question of a "quid" is moot. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I read this and I don’t fully understand why the investigation took this guy down. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I read this and I don’t fully understand why the investigation took this guy down. This article gives a better reason: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/sources-podesta-group-mercury-are-companies-b-indictment-n815721 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, RedDenver said: This article gives a better reason: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/sources-podesta-group-mercury-are-companies-b-indictment-n815721 Interesting...and he blames Fox News. Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I'm pretty certain the Trump organization is shady as hell, but if Mueller's investigation turns up dirt anywhere, he should pursue it and get it out in the open. It'd be the best of both worlds for Moderates if Trump goes down and Clinton goes down. 3 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 I think it's interesting to see all the folks with limited news exposure (kinder way of say folks who are dumb) who think this Podesta is Hillary's Podesta. 3 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I guess I'm one who doesn't think this guy is a major player in this. Sure, he pled guilty to lying. The only thing I think he could possibly play in this is if he some how some way was privy to Russia meetings. I think there are much bigger fish in this deal that are going to start singing. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: I guess I'm one who doesn't think this guy is a major player in this. Sure, he pled guilty to lying. The only thing I think he could possibly play in this is if he some how some way was privy to Russia meetings. I think there are much bigger fish in this deal that are going to start singing. He was the intermediary (the one that we know of) that was trying to set them up. Link to comment
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