Lorewarn Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 6 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: the whole outrage over cancel culture is nothing more than Republicans trying to come up with something to get their base worked up. It's not. Not the whole outrage, or even if that's true about the outrage, it doesn't mean there is a real phenomenon at play to be concerned about. Right-wing ideologues will scream that anything is cancel culture, but that doesn't mean nothing is. It's not even a new phenomenon, but an old one we're getting back to with new tools that we have no experience using well. At its best it's a form of social accountability where regular folks actually wield some power against powerful people/entities too often immune from accountability, but at its worst It's essentially a medieval mob looking for a witch to burn. I won't focus on celebrities at all, since most of them eventually find ways to bounce back. But there are way too many examples: • A fan at College Gameday had a "need money for beer sign" which somehow got him over $1 million and a sponsorship from Anheuser Busch. Until a Des Moines Register reporter, for no real reason at all, found some decade old tweets of his and stirred up the twitter mob. Despite donating that 1mil to charity, he lost his endorsement, faced massive amounts of online and in person harassment, and then the reporter got fired from his job after the mob found old tweets of his. • People found old 'racist' comments on a google doc from one of the Parkland Shooting survivors (the only one that expressed conservative beliefs). The tweets came from years before the shooting event, at the hands of a young teenager, but nonetheless his Harvard admission was rescinded • A black security guard at a school was fired at his job for saying the n-word, even though he only said it in the context of telling a student not to call him that. He was eventually re-instated due to the school catering to one mob creating another mob calling out how ridiculous the decision was, but spent however much time without employment and insurance, and had a family. Not to mention the amount of stress and anxiety brought on to a private citizen from the harassment of social media campaigns against you. • A professor in New York has lost all the students in his classes and is under investigation by the university for not saying anything, but merely attending a pro-police rally. He didn't participate or hold a sign or say anything, he claimed he just wanted to hear what they had to say. Some students found out, painted him as anti-Black Lives Matter, demanded his resignation and instituted a school wide boycott of his classes, claiming his teaching is an unsafe space for minorities. • Viral videos spread of Nicholas Sandmann and some other kids from Covington Catholic high school having an altercation with a native-american activist at the Lincoln Memorial. The media ran with them, painting the kids as racists that were harassing a native elder with intimidation, "build the wall" chants, and so forth. Social media activists ran with it, eventually doxxing all the boys. Their school shut down due to threats of violence, they received death threats, and were shamed by many including their state legislators (remember, these kids are all minors). Eventually it came out that the kids were more the victims than anyone, and the least aggressive party in the whole scenario, but the damage was done. Just a few examples of how this can manifest not against the rich and the powerful but against normal people, for something as inane as standing in the wrong place at the wrong time or having a bad opinion about something years ago. 2 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Lorewarn said: It's not. Not the whole outrage, or even if that's true about the outrage, it doesn't mean there is a real phenomenon at play to be concerned about. Right-wing ideologues will scream that anything is cancel culture, but that doesn't mean nothing is. It's not even a new phenomenon, but an old one we're getting back to with new tools that we have no experience using well. At its best it's a form of social accountability where regular folks actually wield some power against powerful people/entities too often immune from accountability, but at its worst It's essentially a medieval mob looking for a witch to burn. I won't focus on celebrities at all, since most of them eventually find ways to bounce back. But there are way too many examples: • A fan at College Gameday had a "need money for beer sign" which somehow got him over $1 million and a sponsorship from Anheuser Busch. Until a Des Moines Register reporter, for no real reason at all, found some decade old tweets of his and stirred up the twitter mob. Despite donating that 1mil to charity, he lost his endorsement, faced massive amounts of online and in person harassment, and then the reporter got fired from his job after the mob found old tweets of his. • People found old 'racist' comments on a google doc from one of the Parkland Shooting survivors (the only one that expressed conservative beliefs). The tweets came from years before the shooting event, at the hands of a young teenager, but nonetheless his Harvard admission was rescinded • A black security guard at a school was fired at his job for saying the n-word, even though he only said it in the context of telling a student not to call him that. He was eventually re-instated due to the school catering to one mob creating another mob calling out how ridiculous the decision was, but spent however much time without employment and insurance, and had a family. Not to mention the amount of stress and anxiety brought on to a private citizen from the harassment of social media campaigns against you. • A professor in New York has lost all the students in his classes and is under investigation by the university for not saying anything, but merely attending a pro-police rally. He didn't participate or hold a sign or say anything, he claimed he just wanted to hear what they had to say. Some students found out, painted him as anti-Black Lives Matter, demanded his resignation and instituted a school wide boycott of his classes, claiming his teaching is an unsafe space for minorities. • Viral videos spread of Nicholas Sandmann and some other kids from Covington Catholic high school having an altercation with a native-american activist at the Lincoln Memorial. The media ran with them, painting the kids as racists that were harassing a native elder with intimidation, "build the wall" chants, and so forth. Social media activists ran with it, eventually doxxing all the boys. Their school shut down due to threats of violence, they received death threats, and were shamed by many including their state legislators (remember, these kids are all minors). Eventually it came out that the kids were more the victims than anyone, and the least aggressive party in the whole scenario, but the damage was done. Just a few examples of how this can manifest not against the rich and the powerful but against normal people, for something as inane as standing in the wrong place at the wrong time or having a bad opinion about something years ago. That isn't different than many things that have happened throughout history. We just have technology now to make it easy for anyone to do it. Republicans have latched on to that screaming "CANCEL CULTURE" like it's something new and horrible from those evil liberals. Which, is the BS part. 1 Link to comment
Lorewarn Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: That isn't different than many things that have happened throughout history. We just have technology now to make it easy for anyone to do it. My only point is that the idea that we're living in a time where it's so easy and effortless to give power to some of the worst instincts of sociological behavior is something to take seriously. We need to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff on this and figure out better ways to live. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Lorewarn said: My only point is that the idea that we're living in a time where it's so easy and effortless to give power to some of the worst instincts of sociological behavior is something to take seriously. We need to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff on this and figure out better ways to live. But, some people in society saying something is inappropriate and wanting that to change....and ultimately that change happening, isn't some new "cancel culture". That is where it's being politicized by one side for their own benefit. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Maybe you were out of touch on this one all along @BigRedBuster 2 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: Maybe you were out of touch on this one all along @BigRedBuster Did I say I agreed with him? I don’t know what the magical number is. My point has always been that I really don’t care about some bankers crying. 1 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Props to Enes Kanter for continuing to shine a light on hypocrisy and real oppression. 3 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: Did I say I agreed with him? I don’t know what the magical number is. My point has always been that I really don’t care about some bankers crying. I don’t think that was your point. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 59 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said: Props to Enes Kanter for continuing to shine a light on hypocrisy and real oppression. Well done Enes 1 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Archy1221 said: I don’t think that was your point. Then that's your problem. I've never said once that I know $600 is the exact right number. I'll leave that up to the experts in this area. However, Republicans don't like it because of bankers crying. That's where I call BS....along with Republicans not wanting to help the IRS catch tax cheats. 3 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 34 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Then that's your problem. I've never said once that I know $600 is the exact right number. I'll leave that up to the experts in this area. However, Republicans don't like it because of bankers crying. That's where I call BS....along with Republicans not wanting to help the IRS catch tax cheats. It seems Democrats “don’t want to help the IRS catch tax cheats” either. Republicans don’t like it because the IRS has no business in a persons private bank accounts unless they have an audit to conduct or a criminal investigation to help with along with it being onerous to banks. maybe we should just allow law enforcement into our homes whenever they please. There has to be some criminal activity going on in a few houses wouldn’t you think. Or are you not in favor of catching criminals? 2 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 19 hours ago, Lorewarn said: It's not. Not the whole outrage, or even if that's true about the outrage, it doesn't mean there is a real phenomenon at play to be concerned about. Right-wing ideologues will scream that anything is cancel culture, but that doesn't mean nothing is. It's not even a new phenomenon, but an old one we're getting back to with new tools that we have no experience using well. At its best it's a form of social accountability where regular folks actually wield some power against powerful people/entities too often immune from accountability, but at its worst It's essentially a medieval mob looking for a witch to burn. I won't focus on celebrities at all, since most of them eventually find ways to bounce back. But there are way too many examples: • A fan at College Gameday had a "need money for beer sign" which somehow got him over $1 million and a sponsorship from Anheuser Busch. Until a Des Moines Register reporter, for no real reason at all, found some decade old tweets of his and stirred up the twitter mob. Despite donating that 1mil to charity, he lost his endorsement, faced massive amounts of online and in person harassment, and then the reporter got fired from his job after the mob found old tweets of his. • People found old 'racist' comments on a google doc from one of the Parkland Shooting survivors (the only one that expressed conservative beliefs). The tweets came from years before the shooting event, at the hands of a young teenager, but nonetheless his Harvard admission was rescinded • A black security guard at a school was fired at his job for saying the n-word, even though he only said it in the context of telling a student not to call him that. He was eventually re-instated due to the school catering to one mob creating another mob calling out how ridiculous the decision was, but spent however much time without employment and insurance, and had a family. Not to mention the amount of stress and anxiety brought on to a private citizen from the harassment of social media campaigns against you. • A professor in New York has lost all the students in his classes and is under investigation by the university for not saying anything, but merely attending a pro-police rally. He didn't participate or hold a sign or say anything, he claimed he just wanted to hear what they had to say. Some students found out, painted him as anti-Black Lives Matter, demanded his resignation and instituted a school wide boycott of his classes, claiming his teaching is an unsafe space for minorities. • Viral videos spread of Nicholas Sandmann and some other kids from Covington Catholic high school having an altercation with a native-american activist at the Lincoln Memorial. The media ran with them, painting the kids as racists that were harassing a native elder with intimidation, "build the wall" chants, and so forth. Social media activists ran with it, eventually doxxing all the boys. Their school shut down due to threats of violence, they received death threats, and were shamed by many including their state legislators (remember, these kids are all minors). Eventually it came out that the kids were more the victims than anyone, and the least aggressive party in the whole scenario, but the damage was done. Just a few examples of how this can manifest not against the rich and the powerful but against normal people, for something as inane as standing in the wrong place at the wrong time or having a bad opinion about something years ago. https://www.yahoo.com/news/minnesota-surgeon-fired-saying-parents-142600409.html A longtime Minnesota general surgeon was dismissed from his hospital after arguing parents should make healthcare decisions for their children. 2 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Archy1221 said: It seems Democrats “don’t want to help the IRS catch tax cheats” either. Republicans don’t like it because the IRS has no business in a persons private bank accounts unless they have an audit to conduct or a criminal investigation to help with along with it being onerous to banks. The IRS already knows how much interest every private account makes per year as part of income tax reporting. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, RedDenver said: The IRS already knows how much interest every private account makes per year as part of income tax reporting. That’s correct and has nothing to do with what I posted 2 1 Link to comment
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