Redux Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: Well if multiple kids started putting gum in peoples hair and it was a regular occurrence I can guarantee the school would ban gum and that would certainly curtail the issue. Completely? No. Because you would still be able to get gum other places if you really wanted to. And even if they said no more chewing it in class, some still would. Hell I'd wager that some would even try to put gum in the hair of others because they saw the outrage of the first incident and wanted their 15 minutes of notoriety. Link to comment
teachercd Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Redux said: Completely? No. Because you would still be able to get gum other places if you really wanted to. And even if they said no more chewing it in class, some still would. Hell I'd wager that some would even try to put gum in the hair of others because they saw the outrage of the first incident and wanted their 15 minutes of notoriety. I can verify this as true. I worked at a no-gum school and it was a problem. I have also worked at a gum school and there really are not all that many issues with it. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, teachercd said: I can verify this as true. I worked at a no-gum school and it was a problem. I have also worked at a gum school and there really are not all that many issues with it. As someone who was forced to stay after school and scrape gum off the bottom of desks (not because I was chewing gum), I can attest that gum in schools is a major problem. 1 Link to comment
Redux Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Bottom line for me is this. No I don't have any links, sorry. -Mental illnesses absolutely is a problem in this country. It's a separate issue fromg gun violence for the most part, but it ABSOLUTELY does factor in. If you want to tell me the people carrying out these acts aren't at least a little mentally ill, you're being willfully ignorant. -Gun violence would be reduced by making it nearly impossible to get a gun. But that would not erase all guns from availability. They would still exist hidden away and among people who see an illegal profit. Pretending gun violence, hell all violence, goes away with taking away legal gun ownership is being willfully ignorant. -Other countries have less gun violence because they took away certain freedoms a long time ago. Other countries have less gun violence because they aren't the same type of culture. Can anyone actually compare America to any other country on the planet? It's not a population thing, it's how we live that is the difference. We live in a mostly free world at ends with eachother over everything. We are raised to hate eachother in America, we are taught that violence is acceptable from day 1. Race, religion, political views, sexuality and gender are all reasons we as Americans harm other Americans. And if you think THAT isn't the reason we have gun violence, that just gun availability is to blame, the you are being willfully ignorant. Thank you and good night. 1 Link to comment
commando Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 are we really comparing gum in hair and kids shot by guns? 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 It's sad that people continue to have a lack of understanding of what mental illness actually is, and how it affects those afflicted. But it's a testament to how deeply ingrained propaganda becomes, and how hard it is to convince people that it is untrue. Link to comment
commando Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 ok...let's say it is a unidentified mental issue. what is the solution to stop the problem? Link to comment
teachercd Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, commando said: ok...let's say it is a unidentified mental issue. what is the solution to stop the problem? Yes! My god yes, I have been saying that over and over. Thank you for stating it in such a simple way that no one could argue with it (I don't think) It is sad that people continue to have a lack of understanding that not everything fits in a little box. Maybe it does in Norway, I am not sure, I have not been. 27 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: As someone who was forced to stay after school and scrape gum off the bottom of desks (not because I was chewing gum), I can attest that gum in schools is a major problem. Did they give you an old paint scraper?? Ha Link to comment
Redux Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, knapplc said: It's sad that people continue to have a lack of understanding of what mental illness actually is, and how it affects those afflicted. But it's a testament to how deeply ingrained propaganda becomes, and how hard it is to convince people that it is untrue. What's the aimed at exactly? Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, commando said: ok...let's say it is a unidentified mental issue. what is the solution to stop the problem? Let's say it's the metric system. It'd be as productive of a conversation. The problem we're talking about - gun violence affecting others - is literally not a mental health issue. Not respected studies conclude this. All the evidence points away from this being part of the problem. So hypotheticals with this as part of the problem get us nowhere. Link to comment
commando Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, Redux said: We live in a mostly free world at ends with eachother over everything. We are raised to hate eachother in America, we are taught that violence is acceptable from day 1. bulls#!t. not everyone is raised that way. 1 Link to comment
commando Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, knapplc said: Let's say it's the metric system. It'd be as productive of a conversation. The problem we're talking about - gun violence affecting others - is literally not a mental health issue. Not respected studies conclude this. All the evidence points away from this being part of the problem. So hypotheticals with this as part of the problem get us nowhere. i would like to hear the proposed solutions. so far no one has attempted to supply their answer to the problem. so far it's just a refusal to admit that limiting gun access would help. Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, Redux said: -Gun violence would be reduced by making it nearly impossible to get a gun. But that would not erase all guns from availability. They would still exist hidden away and among people who see an illegal profit. Pretending gun violence, hell all violence, goes away with taking away legal gun ownership is being willfully ignorant. No one is saying we can completely eliminate gun violence. But isn't reducing gun violence exactly what we are trying to accomplish? 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 52 minutes ago, teachercd said: Did they give you an old paint scraper?? Ha yep 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, knapplc said: It's sad that people continue to have a lack of understanding of what mental illness actually is, and how it affects those afflicted. But it's a testament to how deeply ingrained propaganda becomes, and how hard it is to convince people that it is untrue. What propaganda am I consuming on this? It's totally logical for me to believe that if I decide that I need to go buy a gun, walk into your office and blow you away.....I have some type of issue. Or, are you saying I would be perfectly normal mentally? 1 Link to comment
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