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ScottyIce    1,833

There is a real chance that this is the list of available coaches at the end of this season:

 

Les Miles ✅

Mark Helfrich

Charlie Strong

David Shaw

Tom Herman

Gus Mulzahn

Clay Helton

Brian Kelly

Bob Stoops

 

And I'm not interested in any of them. Just riled up about Riley!

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Redux    5,390

Stoops and Shaw won't get fired. Herman won't be fired but I think he will take a different job.

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NUance    6,941

A lot of those guys in the OP who will likely be fired this year were the hottest coaches in the land within the past couple of years. Funny that. :lol:

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HuskermanMike    316

A lot of those guys in the OP who will likely be fired this year were the hottest coaches in the land within the past couple of years. Funny that. :lol:

Yea I agree with this. I think Stoops and Kelly stay though, and I wonder who USC gets if Helton gets canned. Herman will probably stay, but anything can happen with the coaching business.

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Xmas32    347

Helton seems like he's righted the ship a little bit. USC has won 2 in a row---pasting ASU and squeaking by Colorado. As long as they finish .500, I think he gets another year.

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GBRHouston    198

Charlie Strong is gone and I think he'll go to a G5 school.

Herman seemed intent to stay in Houston last year and I'm not so sure that will change much this year.

Helfrich finishes below .500 and he's gone. Same with Kelly, Helton, Gus, and Mora.

Shaw and Stoops are fine. OU could still win the Big XII.

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TGHusker    1,238

I think Mike Gundy may be open to a new path as well. IMO

Agree. Living in Tulsa I see and hear stories of major donor Boone Pickens being on Gundy all of the time for not beating OU more often. I think it is getting pretty old and Mike gets tired of answering questions concerning Boone's comments.

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sho    97

There is a real chance that this is the list of available coaches at the end of this season:

 

Les Miles ✅

Mark Helfrich

Charlie Strong

David Shaw

Tom Herman

Gus Mulzahn

Clay Helton

Brian Kelly

Bob Stoops

 

And I'm not interested in any of them. Just riled up about Riley!

 

 

Looking at your list, I think Gus and Stoops are safe for another year.

 

I'll add Mora to your list. UCLA is a trainwreck right now. He's had one foot out the door for years, I think the AD gives the nudge and goes in a new direction. You could potentially have these historically significant schools looking for coaches, plus all the other middle of the road P5 schools (Missouri, Tennessee, Kansas, Kansas State (Snyder is going to retire again soon) Georgia Tech and Virginia could all have openings as well)

 

USC

UCLA

Notre Dame

Texas

LSU

 

If those 5 are looking, Herman would be stupid to stay at Houston. And you might see someone like Frost only last at UCF for one year before moving up to a bigger level school. Should be a crazy off season starting here in a few weeks.

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huskerfan92    1,041

 

There is a real chance that this is the list of available coaches at the end of this season:

 

Les Miles ✅

Mark Helfrich

Charlie Strong

David Shaw

Tom Herman

Gus Mulzahn

Clay Helton

Brian Kelly

Bob Stoops

 

And I'm not interested in any of them. Just riled up about Riley!

 

 

Looking at your list, I think Gus and Stoops are safe for another year.

 

I'll add Mora to your list. UCLA is a trainwreck right now. He's had one foot out the door for years, I think the AD gives the nudge and goes in a new direction. You could potentially have these historically significant schools looking for coaches, plus all the other middle of the road P5 schools (Missouri, Tennessee, Kansas, Kansas State (Snyder is going to retire again soon) Georgia Tech and Virginia could all have openings as well)

 

USC

UCLA

Notre Dame

Texas

LSU

 

If those 5 are looking, Herman would be stupid to stay at Houston. And you might see someone like Frost only last at UCF for one year before moving up to a bigger level school. Should be a crazy off season starting here in a few weeks.

 

 

Virginia literally just hired Bronco Mendenhall so that's not happening.

USC found a quarterback and is rolling right now, couldn't see them going through another coaching change.

UCLA is having a bad year, but only way Mora is leaving is if for whatever reason a NFL team hires him. Rosen is hurt and will be back next year that'll certainly buy Mora another season.

Notre Dame, I just don't see Brian Kelly getting fired but then again Auburn fired Gene Chizik a couple years after WINNING the national title, so who knows.

 

That leaves LSU and Texas as the most likely landing spots for Tom Herman. Honestly, with how the LSU administration handled Les Miles last season, and with Texas being a mess, I wouldn't want to go to either of those schools if I was Herman. He's a young guy, only 41 and with the way he's been recruiting at Houston he'll continue to have success there. He can be patient and wait for the perfect opportunity to come up, maybe when Saban retires and takes over Bama, or if Harbaugh leaves for the NFL and takes Michigan, maybe takes over Meyer at Ohio St, or even Bob Stoops at Oklahoma. Coaches like a chance to succeed, but they also appreciate stable administrations

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MLB 51    924

 

I think Mike Gundy may be open to a new path as well. IMO

Agree. Living in Tulsa I see and hear stories of major donor Boone Pickens being on Gundy all of the time for not beating OU more often. I think it is getting pretty old and Mike gets tired of answering questions concerning Boone's comments.

 

I live about 50 miles north of you, and I'm not convinced that he's done at OSU.

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chamrocck    268

My guesses.

Herman to Texas.

Ed O probably playing for his job at LSU and needs a win @ TX A&M. Otherwise look for Art Briles to LSU. They have the DC with Aranda but need a change in offensive philosophy which has plagued them.

I think the other coaches the OP listed are all safe.

Mora Jr. may be in trouble.

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AZRaiderH8r    24

Rumors here are that, if ASU loses to UofA, that may be the end for Todd Graham in Tempe. After two 10 win seasons, the wheels have completely fallen off, especially for the defense. When you claim to be a defensive genius and have the worst pass defense in the country two years in a row, that doesn't sit well.

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Mavric    9,824

Rumors here are that, if ASU loses to UofA, that may be the end for Todd Graham in Tempe. After two 10 win seasons, the wheels have completely fallen off, especially for the defense. When you claim to be a defensive genius and have the worst pass defense in the country two years in a row, that doesn't sit well.

 

What's going on with both schools down there? Seems like a dumpster fire all the way around.

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AZRaiderH8r    24

 

Rumors here are that, if ASU loses to UofA, that may be the end for Todd Graham in Tempe. After two 10 win seasons, the wheels have completely fallen off, especially for the defense. When you claim to be a defensive genius and have the worst pass defense in the country two years in a row, that doesn't sit well.

 

What's going on with both schools down there? Seems like a dumpster fire all the way around.

 

UofA has really struggled with injuries and a lack of depth. But, from what I understand, Rich Rod is safe. They are looking at this week's game as their bowl game, because it would keep ASU from getting that 6th win for bowl eligibility.

 

For ASU, I think Todd Graham has worn out his welcome. He had some success early on, but a lot of the credit is being given to Dennis Erickson's recruiting efforts. The last two years have been very disappointing, especially last year with all of the publicity they were getting and predictions of big success. But I think the struggles on defense have been what really bothers people. Plus, the AD was brought in after Graham was hired, so there are rumblings that he wants to bring "his own guy" in to coach the team; not sure who that would be.

 

ASU is weird. 80k+ students, beautiful campus, but they always seem to be middle of the pack in football and basketball. They are dumping a lot of money into the athletic program and Sun Devil Stadium, so I think they are going to be expecting better results, and they aren't sure that Graham is the guy to bring them.

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MyBloodIsRed16    198

I still can't get over how bad of coaches some people must be to not win at some programs. USC. If you can't win there you are terrible. ND, if you can't win there you are terrible. ND gets recruits every year from all over that leave me scratching my head as to why they would commit there because ND hasn't been good since Lou Holtz days. USC barely has to recruit outide of their city let alone outside of their state. Both programs should probably pull a Michigan and find the highest profile alum and higher them

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Count 'Bility    4,782

I still can't get over how bad of coaches some people must be to not win at some programs. USC. If you can't win there you are terrible. ND, if you can't win there you are terrible. ND gets recruits every year from all over that leave me scratching my head as to why they would commit there because ND hasn't been good since Lou Holtz days. USC barely has to recruit outide of their city let alone outside of their state. Both programs should probably pull a Michigan and find the highest profile alum and higher them

It's a weird deal definitely. But youre dealing with human beings, with real emotions and real minds. There's so much more to coaching success than just lining up the best and rolling the ball out. There are sooooo many examples and instances that the best player isnt always the best player. There has to be a degree of fit, both schematically and mentally. Bottom line is, it's just hard to win at any program anymore. It just is.

 

I dont think Michigan just picked out the highest profile alum. They were just fortunate that one the best coaches out there with one of the highest degrees of national stardom happened to be an alum. Is it possible 5-10 years down the road we could be in that boat with Frost? Possibly. But you dont have to have an alum. How many former USC or ND alums are good football coaches? i think some of these big name programs-and I think you could even put Nebraska in this-have an entitled attitude. There's just too much living in the past and being complacent becuase of what was. There's too much balance and too much parity in the game anymore. Another thing is that is has become such a big business with huge money implications, and in this world of social media where every Joe Schmo has a voice on twitter, mb's, facebook, etc, the pressure and feel of pressure to win big and win now and win constant is more felt by the coaches and it seems like the days of coaches staying at a place for a long period of time or gone. Becuase you either win big right away or you get canned. Or, you do you win big right away, then take a step back (because you cant stay on top forever) but you've already generated ridiculous expectations and the pressure gets higher and you either cave to it and get fired or bolt. Very few coaches have shown the resolve to persevere through their own expectations. We shall see if guys like Dantonio can push through. Saban comes to mind as a guy that has. I doubt Brian Kelly gets a chance. Even Urban Meyer hasnt shown yet that he's capable of such an act.

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cm husker    2,045

I still can't get over how bad of coaches some people must be to not win at some programs. USC. If you can't win there you are terrible. ND, if you can't win there you are terrible. ND gets recruits every year from all over that leave me scratching my head as to why they would commit there because ND hasn't been good since Lou Holtz days. USC barely has to recruit outide of their city let alone outside of their state. Both programs should probably pull a Michigan and find the highest profile alum and higher them

 

The recruiting sites want you to believe there's a massive difference in the amount of talent at the top 10 programs versus, say, the 20th to 40th program.

 

There simply isn't. So while talent helps, only average coaching will produce, at best, only slightly above average results. Because a 30th ranked roster can easily beat a 5th ranked roster if the coaching at #30 is great and the coaching at #5 is only average.

 

What is dangerous is when you have a top 20 roster and top 10 coaching. That's the recipe for a lot of wins.

 

And of course a top 5 roster with top 10 coaching (e.g., Alabama) is a recipe for dominance .

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It'sNotAFakeID    1,839

 

I still can't get over how bad of coaches some people must be to not win at some programs. USC. If you can't win there you are terrible. ND, if you can't win there you are terrible. ND gets recruits every year from all over that leave me scratching my head as to why they would commit there because ND hasn't been good since Lou Holtz days. USC barely has to recruit outide of their city let alone outside of their state. Both programs should probably pull a Michigan and find the highest profile alum and higher them

 

The recruiting sites want you to believe there's a massive difference in the amount of talent at the top 10 programs versus, say, the 20th to 40th program.

 

There simply isn't. So while talent helps, only average coaching will produce, at best, only slightly above average results. Because a 30th ranked roster can easily beat a 5th ranked roster if the coaching at #30 is great and the coaching at #5 is only average.

 

What is dangerous is when you have a top 20 roster and top 10 coaching. That's the recipe for a lot of wins.

 

And of course a top 5 roster with top 10 coaching (e.g., Alabama) is a recipe for dominance .

 

 

So what metrics should be used to identify Top 10 coaching? I know Dave Bartoo has a coaching metric, but I'm not sure how reliable it is.

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alwayshusking    673

 

I still can't get over how bad of coaches some people must be to not win at some programs. USC. If you can't win there you are terrible. ND, if you can't win there you are terrible. ND gets recruits every year from all over that leave me scratching my head as to why they would commit there because ND hasn't been good since Lou Holtz days. USC barely has to recruit outide of their city let alone outside of their state. Both programs should probably pull a Michigan and find the highest profile alum and higher them

 

The recruiting sites want you to believe there's a massive difference in the amount of talent at the top 10 programs versus, say, the 20th to 40th program.

 

There simply isn't. So while talent helps, only average coaching will produce, at best, only slightly above average results. Because a 30th ranked roster can easily beat a 5th ranked roster if the coaching at #30 is great and the coaching at #5 is only average.

 

What is dangerous is when you have a top 20 roster and top 10 coaching. That's the recipe for a lot of wins.

 

And of course a top 5 roster with top 10 coaching (e.g., Alabama) is a recipe for dominance .

 

 

Where would you rank Pelini's coaching and his rosters?

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NUance    6,941

Top 20 and top 25 or so.

 

With a high potential for improvement on both.

 

Why do you remain such a huge fan of Pelini? He is gone. And he's not coming back. He might not even be able to land a coaching job at any other decent FBS school. Maybe it's time for you to try to get over Pelini.

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cm husker    2,045

 

Top 20 and top 25 or so.

With a high potential for improvement on both.

 

Why do you remain such a huge fan of Pelini? He is gone. And he's not coming back. He might not even be able to land a coaching job at any other decent FBS school. Maybe it's time for you to try to get over Pelini.

I remain a fan of reality.

 

I think the pillory of him and his players says more about certain Husker fans than about those guys.

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Football Guy Bob    4,846

 

 

Top 20 and top 25 or so.

With a high potential for improvement on both.

 

Why do you remain such a huge fan of Pelini? He is gone. And he's not coming back. He might not even be able to land a coaching job at any other decent FBS school. Maybe it's time for you to try to get over Pelini.

I remain a fan of reality.

 

I think the pillory of him and his players says more about certain Husker fans than about those guys.

It's okay Patrick. Your dad will find another coaching job soon enough. He may even get to go coach at Purdue! Doesn't that sound neat?

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NUance    6,941

 

 

Top 20 and top 25 or so.

With a high potential for improvement on both.

Why do you remain such a huge fan of Pelini? He is gone. And he's not coming back. He might not even be able to land a coaching job at any other decent FBS school. Maybe it's time for you to try to get over Pelini.

I remain a fan of reality.

 

I think the pillory of him and his players says more about certain Husker fans than about those guys.

 

 

I doubt if you remember this, but I was one of the very few people on this board—or in Husker nation for that matter—who did not want Pelini to get fired back in 2014. But since he was fired I've moved on. I support the current team and coaches. And now that I've had some time to think about it, I certainly don't miss Pelini's childish sideline outbursts and paranoid treatment of the media and fans.

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MLB 51    924

 

 

 

Top 20 and top 25 or so.

With a high potential for improvement on both.

Why do you remain such a huge fan of Pelini? He is gone. And he's not coming back. He might not even be able to land a coaching job at any other decent FBS school. Maybe it's time for you to try to get over Pelini.

I remain a fan of reality.

 

I think the pillory of him and his players says more about certain Husker fans than about those guys.

 

 

I doubt if you remember this, but I was one of the very few people on this board—or in Husker nation for that matter—who did not want Pelini to get fired back in 2014. But since he was fired I've moved on. I support the current team and coaches. And now that I've had some time to think about it, I certainly don't miss Pelini's childish sideline outbursts and paranoid treatment of the media and fans.

 

That pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

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Landlord    7,587

The Iowa loss was, in the words of master troll cm husker, entirely due to poor coaching, because Iowa's ranked 50th in team talent compared to Nebraska being 25th, according to recruiting rankings.

 

 

But apparently, also, the difference between those rankings isn't that big of a gap?

 

 

And not only that, but Bo was a top 20-25 coach despite losing by 20-30-40+ points to top 10 teams, and losing to teams outside of the top 30-50, but meanwhile Riley is a culpable liability for the same things.

 

 

This has me dizzier than a merry-go-round.

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cm husker    2,045

The Iowa loss was, in the words of master troll cm husker, entirely due to poor coaching, because Iowa's ranked 50th in team talent compared to Nebraska being 25th, according to recruiting rankings.

 

 

But apparently, also, the difference between those rankings isn't that big of a gap?

 

 

And not only that, but Bo was a top 20-25 coach despite losing by 20-30-40+ points to top 10 teams, and losing to teams outside of the top 30-50, but meanwhile Riley is a culpable liability for the same things.

 

 

This has me dizzier than a merry-go-round.

 

I'm going to refrain from replying to your personal attack. Except to say go back to what I wrote.

 

Losing by 30 to them was entirely on the coaches. Losing is one thing. Being dominated like that by an average Iowa team is on the staff.

 

As for Bo, I blamed him for the bad blowouts. I just didn't think he should be fired based on the body of work.

 

And guess what, i haven't called for Riley to be fired either, even though he clearly has less upside than Bo or Frank did.

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teachercd    3,068

Could it be that maybe Bo was an above average coach? And that Riley is an above coach and that Solich is an above average coach...but that they just weren't good enough for what we want?

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cm husker    2,045

Could it be that maybe Bo was an above average coach? And that Riley is an above coach and that Solich is an above average coach...but that they just weren't good enough for what we want?

Completely possible. But what the hell are we looking for then?

 

A lot of great coaches have looked average (or even worse) for stretches.

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Redux    5,390

 

The Iowa loss was, in the words of master troll cm husker, entirely due to poor coaching, because Iowa's ranked 50th in team talent compared to Nebraska being 25th, according to recruiting rankings.

 

 

But apparently, also, the difference between those rankings isn't that big of a gap?

 

 

And not only that, but Bo was a top 20-25 coach despite losing by 20-30-40+ points to top 10 teams, and losing to teams outside of the top 30-50, but meanwhile Riley is a culpable liability for the same things.

 

 

This has me dizzier than a merry-go-round.

Losing by 30 to them was entirely on the coaches. Losing is one thing. Being dominated like that by an average Iowa team is on the staff.

 

As for Bo, I blamed him for the bad blowouts. I just didn't think he should be fired based on the body of work.

 

And guess what, i haven't called for Riley to be fired either, even though he clearly has less upside than Bo or Frank did.

 

 

Had nothing to do with our busted ass O-Line and busted ass QB position? ALL on the coaches? Just totally false and you know this.

 

How many more blowouts did he have to put us through before he deserved to be fired? You can lose to 4 times a year and be blown out in half of them as long as you win 9? Riley did just that.

 

No calling for him to be fired would be too easy for you. You have no actual grasp of what his upside is, especially compared to two guys you admire so much.

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teachercd    3,068

 

Could it be that maybe Bo was an above average coach? And that Riley is an above coach and that Solich is an above average coach...but that they just weren't good enough for what we want?

Completely possible. But what the hell are we looking for then?

 

A lot of great coaches have looked average (or even worse) for stretches.

 

Great question!

 

I think we Bo we knew because of his body of work.

With Riley, we do know but a lot of fans want to pretend like his time at OSU doesn't count or something like that.

With Frank everyone just says "Well, now he is coaching where he belongs"

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cm husker    2,045

 

 

 

The Iowa loss was, in the words of master troll cm husker, entirely due to poor coaching, because Iowa's ranked 50th in team talent compared to Nebraska being 25th, according to recruiting rankings.

 

 

But apparently, also, the difference between those rankings isn't that big of a gap?

 

 

And not only that, but Bo was a top 20-25 coach despite losing by 20-30-40+ points to top 10 teams, and losing to teams outside of the top 30-50, but meanwhile Riley is a culpable liability for the same things.

 

 

This has me dizzier than a merry-go-round.

Losing by 30 to them was entirely on the coaches. Losing is one thing. Being dominated like that by an average Iowa team is on the staff.

 

As for Bo, I blamed him for the bad blowouts. I just didn't think he should be fired based on the body of work.

 

And guess what, i haven't called for Riley to be fired either, even though he clearly has less upside than Bo or Frank did.

Had nothing to do with our busted ass O-Line and busted ass QB position? ALL on the coaches? Just totally false and you know this.

 

How many more blowouts did he have to put us through before he deserved to be fired? You can lose to 4 times a year and be blown out in half of them as long as you win 9? Riley did just that.

 

No calling for him to be fired would be too easy for you. You have no actual grasp of what his upside is, especially compared to two guys you admire so much.

You do realize that Iowa was busted up too, right?

 

Keep making excuses though.

 

Fewer people are believing them.

 

 

It's funny to see you spinning out of control though. In how many seasons did Bo suffer multiple 30+ point losses, especially to the likes of this Iowa team?

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Redux    5,390

Spinning out of control? Do tell. But first, here is the list of Bo's blowout losses:

 

2008 Mizzou 52-17

2008 OU 62-28

2009 TT 31-10

2011 Wisconsin 48-17

2011 Michigan 45-17

2012 Ohio State 63-38 (not as close as the score indicates, sadly)

2012 Wisconsin 70-31

2013 UCLA 41-21

2013 Michigan St 41-28 (only 13 points but this game was way further out of reach for most of the game IIRC)

2013 Iowa 38-17 (not as close as score indicates)

2014 Wisconsin 59-24

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Nebfanatic    858

 

 

 

Could it be that maybe Bo was an above average coach? And that Riley is an above coach and that Solich is an above average coach...but that they just weren't good enough for what we want?

Completely possible. But what the hell are we looking for then?

 

A lot of great coaches have looked average (or even worse) for stretches.

Great question!

 

I think we Bo we knew because of his body of work.

With Riley, we do know but a lot of fans want to pretend like his time at OSU doesn't count or something like that.

With Frank everyone just says "Well, now he is coaching where he belongs"

No one is pretending it doesn't count, some just see what he did for most of his time at OSU as an accomplishment not a detriment.

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