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NM11046    2,042

Is it hard/easy to vote illegally? I really have no idea. Seems like it would be difficult.

It is - and it doesn't happen but maybe 10 times in a national election.

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huKSer    1,371

Is it hard/easy to vote illegally? I really have no idea. Seems like it would be difficult.

It might be harder to get registered voters off their sofa and get them to vote

 

Most illegal immigrants (which is what the Tea Party is worked up about) don't want to vote or otherwise get "into the system" because it would leave a paper trail and possibly make it easier to get deported.

 

Kobach in Kansas is a leading whacko on this. He was going to crack down on the "thousands" of illegal voters. He found three. One couple moved and voted in Kansas and Arkansas, the other was a guy who owned property in Kansas and Colorado and voted in both states on the local level on issues that effected his taxes. All three were European-American.

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Thanks_Tom RR    2,225

 

Is it hard/easy to vote illegally? I really have no idea. Seems like it would be difficult.

It might be harder to get registered voters off their sofa and get them to vote

 

Most illegal immigrants (which is what the Tea Party is worked up about) don't want to vote or otherwise get "into the system" because it would leave a paper trail and possibly make it easier to get deported.

 

Kobach in Kansas is a leading whacko on this. He was going to crack down on the "thousands" of illegal voters. He found three. One couple moved and voted in Kansas and Arkansas, the other was a guy who owned property in Kansas and Colorado and voted in both states on the local level on issues that effected his taxes. All three were European-American.

 

Yeah, but extrapolate that ratio from the 3M KS population to the 300M US population = millions of illegal voters!!! I think? Math is hard. :B)

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84HuskerLaw    538

The biggest areas of concern in illegal voting falls in the major metor areas and particularly inner cities areas in states without significant voter ID requirements. Often people are allowed to enter the polling places and cast ballots by simply declaring they are registered voters and furnishing a name for the polling place workers. There are no identification such as photo ID issued by a state or other political agency which would have required some kind of proof of eligibility. In many such places, there are coordinated 'get out the vote' activities in which literally bus loads of 'voters' are gathered in various locations and then transported to the designated polling places to enter in mass and vote. When non-citizens and or non-residents are permitted to vote, either in person or by electronic or mailin methods, there is no reliable way to prevent fraudulant ballots from being cast and counted.

 

The Dems (Hillary and DNC) and the green party (Stein at their sponsorship) filed legal actions to try to force 'recounts' in Michigan, Penn, Wisconsin, Florida based on allegations of these sorts of voting fraud, all based on the theory that certain precints which were highly Democrat dominated in terms of registration numbers prior to the election did not produce as many Dem votes as they had 'expected'. As the recounting proceeded, it did show up literally hundreds or a thousand or more votes wrongly cast or counted incorrectly. Ironcially, the results actually shorted Trump and longed Clinton in Wisconsin. When the recounting/rechecking process got going in Michigan and PA, it started suggesting some major voting irregularities in those states favoring Clinton over Trump. When the word got out, the Clinton campaign hastily sought Court relief to stop the process from going forward to keep the issue from being publicly divulged.

 

From my reading on the subject, it appears the biggest problems in terms of improper vote numbers are focused in certain counties, cities and precints. Chicago, Lousiana, Cleveland, Detroit, Palm Beach, etc are notorious for irregularities. A couple counties in the Cleveland OH area literally had more votes cast for Obama that there were registered voters and in Cayoga County, he actually received 100% of the votes it was reported. This is unquestiionably illegal voting.

 

The other area where there is grave concern about vote fraud is in the manipulation of the vote recordation and not so much the voter themselves - where a vote from Trump is actually recorded as a vote for Clinton or vice versa (although I have never read of any of the latter happening anywhere). This is the biggest problem with any kind of electronic or machine voting methods and would be glaring if ever they get to allowing electronic voting from home. There would simply be NO WAY to control who is voting in somekind of internet or telephonic scheme. In person with valid, uptodate photo ID with recently verified residence validation is the ONLY way to ensure that there is not wide spread disenfranchisement of the American voters.

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TGHusker    1,335

I expect to see this (taking credit where none is due) often during the next 4 years. Company A didn't lay off 10 people - Company B didn't move 5 jobs to Ireland, etc. Trump will be cheerleader in chief I have no doubt.

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Thanks_Tom RR    2,225

The biggest areas of concern in illegal voting falls in the major metor areas and particularly inner cities areas in states without significant voter ID requirements. Often people are allowed to enter the polling places and cast ballots by simply declaring they are registered voters and furnishing a name for the polling place workers. There are no identification such as photo ID issued by a state or other political agency which would have required some kind of proof of eligibility. In many such places, there are coordinated 'get out the vote' activities in which literally bus loads of 'voters' are gathered in various locations and then transported to the designated polling places to enter in mass and vote. When non-citizens and or non-residents are permitted to vote, either in person or by electronic or mailin methods, there is no reliable way to prevent fraudulant ballots from being cast and counted.

 

The Dems (Hillary and DNC) and the green party (Stein at their sponsorship) filed legal actions to try to force 'recounts' in Michigan, Penn, Wisconsin, Florida based on allegations of these sorts of voting fraud, all based on the theory that certain precints which were highly Democrat dominated in terms of registration numbers prior to the election did not produce as many Dem votes as they had 'expected'. As the recounting proceeded, it did show up literally hundreds or a thousand or more votes wrongly cast or counted incorrectly. Ironcially, the results actually shorted Trump and longed Clinton in Wisconsin. When the recounting/rechecking process got going in Michigan and PA, it started suggesting some major voting irregularities in those states favoring Clinton over Trump. When the word got out, the Clinton campaign hastily sought Court relief to stop the process from going forward to keep the issue from being publicly divulged.

 

From my reading on the subject, it appears the biggest problems in terms of improper vote numbers are focused in certain counties, cities and precints. Chicago, Lousiana, Cleveland, Detroit, Palm Beach, etc are notorious for irregularities. A couple counties in the Cleveland OH area literally had more votes cast for Obama that there were registered voters and in Cayoga County, he actually received 100% of the votes it was reported. This is unquestiionably illegal voting.

 

The other area where there is grave concern about vote fraud is in the manipulation of the vote recordation and not so much the voter themselves - where a vote from Trump is actually recorded as a vote for Clinton or vice versa (although I have never read of any of the latter happening anywhere). This is the biggest problem with any kind of electronic or machine voting methods and would be glaring if ever they get to allowing electronic voting from home. There would simply be NO WAY to control who is voting in somekind of internet or telephonic scheme. In person with valid, uptodate photo ID with recently verified residence validation is the ONLY way to ensure that there is not wide spread disenfranchisement of the American voters.

 

You should share what you have been reading. It should be noted that it was Trump's lawyers that submitted filings in Michigan and Pennsylvania claiming no voting fraud occurred or could be found from Stein's recount, requesting the recount to be halted.

 

Pennsylvania filing

[not] a single Pennsylvania machine in any county, district, precinct, or ward that they actually believe was hacked

 

Michigan filing

All available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake

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dudeguyy    3,488

Good lord man.

 

In just the three tweets you posted this morning, there is blatant factual misinformation doing on. Trump's twitter is propaganda.

 

  1. Non-sequitor. Again, it's still Obama's economy until late January.
  2. Trying to divert from the fact he paid millions of dollars to people because he stole their money w/ his fraudulent university. You settled because that was clear as day and you were dead in the water, idiot.
  3. That Kentucky plant was never going to leave.

Particularly annoying that the third one could be disproven with just the first two lines are my article.

 

And therein lies the challenge of a Trump presidency. You've got a president and his allies essentially running a disinformation campaign about EVERYTHING on a scale we've never before seen. He just straight up lies about everything, even the little things. Pushing back on it results in claims of liberal anti-Donald bias.

 

Sigh. It looks like that old joke about facts having a liberal bias is true now more than ever.

 

Well, it's still worth pushing back. The alternative is people relying on lies and propaganda. Which isn't very healthy for our democracy.

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NM11046    2,042

 

 

I find it interesting that this "win" forgets to detail the huge benefit Trump provides potentially to the SoftBank guys, by allowing the merger of Sprint and TMobile, which not only runs us into a huge FCC violation (and something that is a big hurt to the public) but also the number of jobs that will be lost due to this merger and duplicate jobs being cut.

 

He's playing a marble game with people- just moving them around, and sadly many are just going to take his word for it when he says there are now more marbles ... when really they're disappearing before our eyes, but because he publicizes the gains and absolutely ignores the loss he "wins". I am anxious for the job updates to come out monthly and see what Breitbart and Fox say then.

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zoogs    6,367

See, that's incredibly concerning even if not true.

 

People should not look to a hero-executive wielding the bully pulpit for public solutions. That is authoritarianism.

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dudeguyy    3,488

Something something Obama, something something vast overreach of executive power.

 

I did it! I just made a GOP talking point!

There's going to be a great deal of gaslighting and attempts to take reality hostage over the next four years, Zoogs. Those of us not satisfied with Trump will have to keep our heads screwed on straight in order to see things as they are.

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NM11046    2,042

I think he's talking about when he tweeted that the airplanes cost too much and everybody's stock tanked.

 

Just re-reading that it sounds absolutely incoherent.

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BigRedBuster    8,064

This guy really is the most amazing negotiator. All he has to do is write one tweet and he has completely renegotiated an entire industries contracts.

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dudeguyy    3,488

 

 

What a dumbass. It's like he thinks the current president is the only variable in anything that happens in the entire U.S., unless something bad happens while he's president. Then it's everyone else's fault.

 

 

I can't tell if he actually believes that, or if he's just trying his damnedest to make sure all the stupid people believe that.

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Moiraine    5,954

I can't tell either. We've discussed this a lot here. Is Trump a moron, or is he a genius? It's hard to tell if he really is this stupid or if he is a great manipulator.

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Moiraine    5,954

The thing about it is we shouldn't even need articles like that. Anyone who isn't a complete imbecile can see the problem with the comparison.

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ZRod    2,852

This is pretty funny. A little sad, but hilariously vain.

 

The Oscars mix-up seems to be the biggest story of the day a distinction usually claimed by President Trump and something he has done or tweeted.

 

But the commander in chief has, nevertheless, found a way to make it all about him: The mistake, wherein actors Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway inadvertently gave out the best- picture award to the wrong movie, was actually because of him. According to whom?

 

 

"I think they were focused so hard on politics that they didnt get the act together at the end", Trump said. "It was a little sad."

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BigRedBuster    8,064

That's a tough one to put in here.

 

No, Trump hasn't done anything while in office to make the economy better, yet. But.....it does appear him winning the election does have people more confident in the stock market which causes it to go up.

 

Personally, I think there is going to be some type of correction in the next couple of years. If he is taking credit for this, is he going to take blame for the correction?

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NM11046    2,042

 

That's a tough one to put in here.

 

No, Trump hasn't done anything while in office to make the economy better, yet. But.....it does appear him winning the election does have people more confident in the stock market which causes it to go up.

 

Personally, I think there is going to be some type of correction in the next couple of years. If he is taking credit for this, is he going to take blame for the correction?

 

Except the "correction" just got us back up to where it was in Nov when he was elected (not positive of the exact numbers or dates, but it tanked in Nov)

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StPaulHusker    5,080

 

That's a tough one to put in here.

 

No, Trump hasn't done anything while in office to make the economy better, yet. But.....it does appear him winning the election does have people more confident in the stock market which causes it to go up.

 

Personally, I think there is going to be some type of correction in the next couple of years. If he is taking credit for this, is he going to take blame for the correction?

 

It's a lot of investors betting on the come with regards to Trumps promises of deregulation, steel, coal mining, oil drilling, etc. The sell off and profit reaping will happen if or when his promises don't pan out.

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BigRedBuster    8,064

 

 

That's a tough one to put in here.

 

No, Trump hasn't done anything while in office to make the economy better, yet. But.....it does appear him winning the election does have people more confident in the stock market which causes it to go up.

 

Personally, I think there is going to be some type of correction in the next couple of years. If he is taking credit for this, is he going to take blame for the correction?

 

Except the "correction" just got us back up to where it was in Nov when he was elected (not positive of the exact numbers or dates, but it tanked in Nov)

 

Tanked is a little strong. If you look at the 6 month graph, the little blip in November doesn't look like much. In fact, the drop at the beginning of Nov was before the election when everyone thought Hillary was going to win. Once the election happened, the Dow ended the month roughly 1,000 points higher than it started.

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NM11046    2,042

I saw something different this morning at the gym that showed a big decline - I'll try to find it somewhere online, but I don't doubt you're right BRB.

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dudeguyy    3,488

 

That's a tough one to put in here.

 

No, Trump hasn't done anything while in office to make the economy better, yet. But.....it does appear him winning the election does have people more confident in the stock market which causes it to go up.

 

Personally, I think there is going to be some type of correction in the next couple of years. If he is taking credit for this, is he going to take blame for the correction?

 

 

You're asking questions you already know the answer to.

 

I agree with your and StPaul's assessment of why the market is doing what it is doing.

 

Obama helped the Dow climb almost 12,000 points after nearly collapsing.

 

It's good to see the stock market doing well. But I'm old enough to remember W and what his massive deregulation brought us. Good things for a while, then the financial sector got greedy, people started getting ripped off, and things fell apart.

 

Better hope and pray that doesn't happen again. Conservatives already have Dodd-Frank in their sights.

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ZRod    2,852

 

 

That's a tough one to put in here.

 

No, Trump hasn't done anything while in office to make the economy better, yet. But.....it does appear him winning the election does have people more confident in the stock market which causes it to go up.

 

Personally, I think there is going to be some type of correction in the next couple of years. If he is taking credit for this, is he going to take blame for the correction?

You're asking questions you already know the answer to.

 

I agree with your and StPaul's assessment of why the market is doing what it is doing.

 

Obama helped the Dow climb almost 12,000 points after nearly collapsing.

 

It's good to see the stock market doing well. But I'm old enough to remember W and what his massive deregulation brought us. Good things for a while, then the financial sector got greedy, people started getting ripped off, and things fell apart.

 

Better hope and pray that doesn't happen again. Conservatives already have Dodd-Frank in their sights.

It goes back well before W. It goes back to Regan all the way through W. Regan set Wall street loose, the Bush's and Clinton did nothing to stop it, and encourage deregulation. Obama really did nothing either. Everything that happened in 2008 could pretty much happen again.

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knapplc    19,300

 

 

 

 

Donald, about those jobs...

 

 

Trump touts his role in Exxon announcement, but the plan predates his presidency

 

It's the latest in a string of corporate announcements about jobs and investments that date back to plans companies largely made when Barack Obama was president.

 

The statement released by the White House quoted Woods as telling a petroleum conference in Houston that private sector investment is "enhanced" by Trump's support for a "stable regulatory environment."

 

But the statement also acknowledged that Exxon's "Growing the Gulf" program involves investments that started in 2013 and are expected to continue through 2022, at least.

 

Trump has credited his policies for a variety of corporate announcements — by Ford, Fiat Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Intel and more — that reflect decisions made before his presidency.

So I guess what Trump's really saying is, "Thanks, Obama!"

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dudeguyy    3,488

 

 

 

 

Donald, about those jobs...

 

 

Trump touts his role in Exxon announcement, but the plan predates his presidency

 

It's the latest in a string of corporate announcements about jobs and investments that date back to plans companies largely made when Barack Obama was president.

 

The statement released by the White House quoted Woods as telling a petroleum conference in Houston that private sector investment is "enhanced" by Trump's support for a "stable regulatory environment."

 

But the statement also acknowledged that Exxon's "Growing the Gulf" program involves investments that started in 2013 and are expected to continue through 2022, at least.

 

Trump has credited his policies for a variety of corporate announcements — by Ford, Fiat Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Intel and more — that reflect decisions made before his presidency.

So I guess what Trump's really saying is, "Thanks, Obama!"

 

 

Sadly, many Americans have no idea and are just along for Mr. Trump's Wild Ride.

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