Mavric Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, 1995 Redux said: You forgot: Better at playing Wisconsin closr: Riley Better at getting s#!t stomped by Wisconsin: Bo Better at upsetting MSU: Tie Bettwr at getting s#!t stomped by Ohio State: Tie Better at beating Illinois: Bo Better at beating Purdue: Bo Better at game ending Hail Marys: Bo 2 Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, Mavric said: Better at beating Illinois: Bo Better at beating Purdue: Bo Better at game ending Hail Marys: Bo Better at defending halftime Hail marys: Riley 2 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Why does every topic that questions Riley turn into a pissing contest about Bo vs. Riley? Can't we judge the merits of a coach independently? 2 Quote Link to comment
Redux Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mavric said: Better at beating Illinois: Bo Better at beating Purdue: Bo Better at game ending Hail Marys: Bo Better at almost losing to FCS teams: Bo Better at losing to MAC teams: Riley Quote Link to comment
QMany Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, 1995 Redux said: Did he say he was happy with the status quo? If so, it must have been in a different quote you didn't include. It is a fact that Bo Pelini won the division several times. That doesn't mean I was happy with the status of the program when he left. 1 Quote Link to comment
GSG Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, 1995 Redux said: Better at almost losing to FCS teams: Bo Better at losing to MAC teams: Riley Mike's lucky we don't schedule FCS teams anymore. He might ACTUALLY lose to them! PS: Better at chewing gum: Bo. He was always kicking that gum's ass! 3 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, neepster said: Really? I have to admit I didn't do the math on the recuiting classes but if I remember correctly the classes we had with Bo were typically ranked in the 30s, while with Rilely we seem to be in the 20s. But I haven't done the averages. And of course everyone here keeps saying how he is so much better of a recruiter than Bo was and how Bo's teams just kept getting worse because he hated recruiting. Per 247 Composite: Class Average Recruits (# 4*+) 02 .8316 18 (2) 03 .8316 19 (2) 04 .8237 20 (2) 05* .8523 32 (7) 06* .8493 22 (5) 07* .8587 26 (6) 08 .8449 29 (3) 09 .8580 19 (2) 10* .8642 20 (5) 11 .8832 21 (9) 12 .8773 17 (8) 13 .8655 24 (7) 14 .8601 25 (2) 15 .8617 21 (4) 16 .8707 21 (5) 17 .8758 20 (5)* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings 1 Quote Link to comment
brophog Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said: Why does every topic that questions Riley turn into a pissing contest about Bo vs. Riley? Can't we judge the merits of a coach independently? Or just hire someone new and talk about him. 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, QMany said: Did he say he was happy with the status quo? If so, it must have been in a different quote you didn't include. It is a fact that Bo Pelini won the division several times. That doesn't mean I was happy with the status of the program when he left. Bo did some good things at NU. I really enjoyed watching those teams during the division championship seasons. Yeah, it sucked when they lost the conference title game, especially the Wisconsin debacle. I agree that I was becoming less happy with the direction of the program under Bo, and wasn't heartbroken when he was fired. However, when I see the direction of the program under Riley, it looks much worse to me. 2 Quote Link to comment
Redux Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, Mavric said: If you have a more objective way to rate the classes, please let us all know. And calling them "arbitrary" is to be willfully ignorant of how it works. There is no system that does it justice, you know this. Stop being difficult. The only way to gauge a player in HS is by looking at their play at the next level, impossible. And even that is hard to guage considering who they play for and talent surrounding them. Pretending the player rankings is fail safe is being willfully ignorant. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, 1995 Redux said: There is no system that does it justice, you know this. Stop being difficult. The only way to gauge a player in HS is by looking at their play at the next level, impossible. And even that is hard to guage considering who they play for and talent surrounding them. Pretending the player rankings is fail safe is being willfully ignorant. No. Wanting to totally discount them is refusing to believe the facts in front of you. Accusing me of saying or even thinking they are "fail safe" is a fiction created entirely by you. Are they perfect? Of course not. Over a sufficiently large sample size are they a pretty good indicator? Yes. Are they the best we have to go on? Yes. 4 Quote Link to comment
Redux Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mavric said: Are they perfect? Of course not. Over a sufficiently large sample size are they a pretty good indicator? Yes. Are they the best we have to go on? Yes. And I don't didagree with this, so you saying Quote If you have a more objective way to rate the classes, please let us all know. Is just you trying to be snotty. I was merely saying they don't tell the whole story, same with on field records. Quote Link to comment
KingBlank Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, Mavric said: Per 247 Composite: Class Average Recruits (# 4*+) 02 .8316 18 (2) 03 .8316 19 (2) 04 .8237 20 (2) 05* .8523 32 (7) 06* .8493 22 (5) 07* .8587 26 (6) 08 .8449 29 (3) 09 .8580 19 (2) 10* .8642 20 (5) 11 .8832 21 (9) 12 .8773 17 (8) 13 .8655 24 (7) 14 .8601 25 (2) 15 .8617 21 (4) 16 .8707 21 (5) 17 .8758 20 (5)* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings So the last 3 years of Bo had more 4 stars then Riley's first 3 years. Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Better at having to leave a game to go to the hospital: Bo Better at living in a hotel and learning the names of the wait staff: Riley Quote Link to comment
neepster Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Mavric said: Per 247 Composite: Class Average Recruits (# 4*+) 02 .8316 18 (2) 03 .8316 19 (2) 04 .8237 20 (2) 05* .8523 32 (7) 06* .8493 22 (5) 07* .8587 26 (6) 08 .8449 29 (3) 09 .8580 19 (2) 10* .8642 20 (5) 11 .8832 21 (9) 12 .8773 17 (8) 13 .8655 24 (7) 14 .8601 25 (2) 15 .8617 21 (4) 16 .8707 21 (5) 17 .8758 20 (5)* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings Thanks for this. I also added Rival's rankings and here is the new table. Then I made some plots in JMP. Class Average Recruit Ct #4* Rivals Rank Recruiter 02 .8316 18 (2) 39 Solich 03 .8316 19 (2) 42 Solich 04 .8237 20 (2) 27 Callahan 05* 0.8523 32 (7) 5 Callahan 06* 0.8493 22 (5) 20 Callahan 07* 0.8587 26 (6) 13 Callahan 08 .8449 29 (3) 30 Callahan 09 .8580 19 (2) 28 Pelini 10* 0.8642 20 (5) 22 Pelini 11 .8832 21 (9) 15 Pelini 12 .8773 17 (8) 25 Pelini 13 .8655 24 (7) 17 Pelini 14 .8601 25 (2) 32 Pelini 15 .8617 21 (4) 31 Pelini 16 .8707 21 (5) 24 Riley 17 .8758 20 (5) 20 Riley 18 51* Riley I didn't count the current recruiting year since obviously that is not done yet. It is close but at least in Average (not sure what that is) Riley is ahead of Pelini. Same thing with Rival's ranking. Riley is slightly lower/better. Pelini has a slight edge on average # of 4* recruits (by 0.25 per year). But it is indeed close no matter which way you slice it. The things that stand out here are: Callahan was by far the best recruiter by 'class rank' but is worse than Pelini or Riley by Average... Solich had two really bad years recruiting right at the end Callahan had an amazing 2005 class (inc. Suh). Riley and Pelini are closer in recruiting performance on average than I expected Edited September 20, 2017 by neepster add more commentary 2 Quote Link to comment
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