Will Nebraska hold their weight in the Big 10

[sewardite4NU]

How well has the big10 done against ranked/bowl teams from the south lately?

 

If you are talking about OSU, not very well. If you factor the conference as a whole, not as bad as you would like to think.

 

 

Big Ten teams actually did pretty well in the 2009-2010 bowls against "speed" teams. They went 4-3 overall. Their wins were as follows: Wisconsin beat Miami, Penn State beat LSU, Iowa beat Georgia Tech, and Ohio State beat Oregon.

 

The games they lost were quite close. Iowa State beat Minnesota by 1. Auburn beat Northwestern by 3. Texas Tech beat Michigan State by 10, but the game was actually pretty close. Tech added a touchdown with 2 minutes left.

 

I know it's just one year, but in my opinion, they were not "slow." I don't think they're close to the SEC or Big 12, but they're better. That said, I'm with knapplc. We'll be fine with the "speed" (or lack of it) in the Big 10. In fact, if Missouri and Nebraska do join, both teams should have an advantage. At least for the first few years.

[GSG]

I posted this in another thread.

 

The Big 10 has made 21 BCS Bowl appearances, 9 of which were at large bids. Their record is 10-11. Ohio St 5-3; Michigan 1-3; Illinois 0-2; Iowa 1-1; Penn St 1-1; Wisconsin 2-0; Purdue 0-1.

 

The Big 12 has made 17 BCS Bowl appearances, 5 of which were at large bids. Their record is 7-10. OU 2-5; Texas 3-1; Nebraska 1-1; KU 1-0; CU 0-1; KSUcks 0-1; aTm 0-1.

 

The Big 12 and Big 10 are tied 2-2 in BCS Bowl games.

 

Big 10 Bowl Games by Year

 

2009

 

Champs Sports Bowl - Wisconsin 20, Miami 14

Insight Bowl - Iowa State 14, Minnesota 13

Outback Bowl - Auburn 38, Northwestern 35 (OT)

Capital One - Penn State 19, LSU 17

Rose Bowl - Ohio State 26, Oregon 17

Alamo Bowl - Texas Tech 41, Michigan State 31

Orange Bowl - Iowa 24, Georgia Tech 14

 

2008

 

Insight Bowl - Kansas 42, Minnesota 21

Champs Sports Bowl - Florida State 42, Wisconsin 13

Alamo Bowl - Missouri 30, Northwestern 23 (OT)

Outback Bowl - Iowa 31, South Carolina 10

Capital One - Georgia 24, Michigan State 12

Fiesta Bowl - Texas 24, Ohio State 21

Rose Bowl - USC 38, Penn State 24

 

2007

 

Motor City Bowl - Purdue 51, Central Michigan 48

Champs Sports Bowl - Boston College 24, Michigan State 21

Alamo Bowl - Penn State 24, Texas A&M 17

Insight Bowl - Oklahoma State 49, Indiana 33

Outback Bowl - Tennessee 21, Wiconsin 17

Capital One Bowl - Michigan 41, Florida 35

Rose Bowl - USC 49, Illinois 17

BCS National Championship LSU 38, Ohio State 24

 

2006

 

Insight Bowl - Texas Tech 44, Minnesota 41(OT)

Champs Sports Bowl - Maryland 24, Purdue 7

Alamo Bowl - Texas 26, Iowa 24

Outback Bowl - Penn State 20, Tenneessee 10

Capital One Bowl - Wisconsin 17, Arkansas 14

Rose Bowl - USC 32, Michigan 18

BCS National Championship - Florida 41, Ohio State 14

 

2005

 

Alamo Bowl - Nebraska 32, Michigan 28

Music City Bowl - Virginia 34, Minnesota 31

Sun Bowl - UCLA 50, Northwestern 38

Outback Bowl - Florida 31, Iowa 24

Capital One Bowl - Wisconsin 24, Auburn 10

Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20

Orange Bowl - Penn State 26, Florida State 23 (OT)

 

2004

 

Alamo - Ohio St 33, Okie St 7

Music City - Minn 20, Bama 16

Sun - Ariz St 27, Purdue 23

Outback - Georgia 24, Wisc 21

Capital One - Iowa 30, LSU 25

Rose - Texas 38, Michigan 37

 

2003

 

Motor City - Bowling Green 28, N'western 24

Alamo - Nebraska 17, MSU 3

Music City - Auburn 28, Wisc 14

Sun - Minn 31, Oregon 30

Outback - Iowa 37, Florida 17

Capital One - Georgia 34, Purdue 27 (OT)

Rose - USC 28, Michigan 14

Fiesta - Ohio St 35, KSUcks 28

 

2002

 

Alamo - Wisc 31, Colorado 28

Music City - Minn 29, Arkansas 14

Sun - Purdue 34, Washington 24

Outback - Michigan 38, Florida 30

Citrus - Auburn 13, Penn St 9

Orange - USC 38, Iowa 17

Fiesta - Ohio St 31, Miami 24 (OT)

 

2001

 

Alamo - Iowa 19, Tx Tech 16

Sun - Wash St 33, Purdue 27

Silicon Valley - Mich St 44, Fresno St 35

Outback - South Carolina 31, Ohio St 28

Citrus - Tenn 45, Michigan 17

Sugar - LSU 47, Illinois 34

 

2000

 

Alamo - Nebraska 66, N'western 17

Sun - Wisc 21, UCLA 20

MicronPC.com - NC St 38, Minn 30

Outback - South Carolina 24, Ohio St 7

Citrus - Michigan 31, Auburn 28

Rose - Washington 34, Purdue 24

 

Big 12 Bowl Records by Team since 2000

 

Colorado

 

2001 Fiesta - Oregon L 16-38

2002 Alamo - Wisconsin (N)(OT) L 28-31

2004 Houston - Texas-El Paso W 33-28

2005 Champs Sports - Clemson L 10-19

2007 Independence - Alabama L 24-30

 

Iowa St

 

2000 Insight.com Bowl - Pittsburgh 37-29 Win

2001 Independence Bowl - Alabama 13-14 Loss

2002 Humanitarian Bowl - Boise State 34-16 Loss

2004 Independence Bowl - Miami, Ohio 17-13 Win

2005 Houston Bowl - TCU 24-27 Loss

2009 Insight Bowl - Minnesota 14-13 Win

 

Kansas

 

2003 Mazda Tangerine Bowl - NC State L 56-26

2005 Fort Worth Bowl - Houston W 42-13

2007 FedEx Orange Bowl - Virginia Tech W 24-21

2008 Insight Bowl - Minnesota W 42-21

 

Kansas St

 

2000 W Cotton Bowl - Tennessee 35 - 21

2001 L Insight.com Bowl - Syracuse 26 - 3

2002 W Holiday Bowl - Aizona State 34 - 27

2003 L Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State 35 - 28

2006 L Texas Bowl - Rutgers 37 - 10

 

Missouri

 

2003 Independence Bowl - Arkansas L 14-27

2005 Independence Bowl - South Carolina W 38-31

2006 Sun Bowl - Oregon St L 38-39

2008 Cotton Bowl - Arkansas W 38-7

2008 Alamo Bowl - Northwestern W 30-23 (OT)

2009 Texas Bowl - Navy L 13-35

 

Nebraska

 

2000 Alamo - Nebraska 66 Northwestern 17

2001 Rose - Miami 37 Nebraska 14

2002 Independence - Mississippi 27 Nebraska 23

2003 Alamo - Nebraska 17 Michigan State 3

2005 Alamo - Nebraska 32 Michigan 28

2006 Cotton - Auburn 17 Nebraska 14

2008 Gator - Nebraska 26 Clemson 21

2009 Holiday - Nebraska 33 Arizona 0

 

Baylor

 

No bowls since 1994

 

Oklahoma

 

2009 Sun Bowl W Oklahoma 31, Stanford 27

2008 BCS Championship L Florida 24, Oklahoma 14

2007 Fiesta Bowl L West Virginia 48, Oklahoma 28

2006 Fiesta Bowl L Boise State 43, Oklahoma 42 (OT)

2005 Holiday Bowl W Oklahoma 17, Oregon 14

2004 Orange Bowl L USC 55, Oklahoma 19

2003 Sugar Bowl L LSU 21, Oklahoma 14

2002 Rose Bowl W Oklahoma 34, Washington State 14 8

2001 Cotton Bowl W Oklahoma 10, Arkansas 3 Dallas,

2000 Orange Bowl W Oklahoma 13, Florida State 2

 

 

Oklahoma St

 

2002 — Houston Bowl vs. Southern Miss 33-23 (W)

2003 — Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Ole Miss 28-31 (L)

2004 — Alamo Bowl vs. Ohio State 7-33 (L)

2006 — Independence Bowl vs. Alabama 34-31 (W)

2007 — Insight Bowl vs. Indiana 49-33 (W)

2008 — Holiday Bowl vs. Oregon 31-42 (L)

2009 — Cotton Bowl vs. Ole Miss 21-7 (L)

 

Texas

 

2009 BCS Champ - Alabama L, 37-21

2008 Fiesta - Ohio St W, 24-21

2007 Holiday - Arizona State W, 52-34

2006 Alamo - Iowa W, 26-24

2005 Rose - Southern California W, 41-38

2004 Rose - Michigan W, 38-37

2003 Holiday - Washington State L, 28-20

2002 Cotton - LSU W, 35-20

2001 Holiday - Washington W, 47-43

2000 Holiday - Oregon L, 35-30

 

 

Texas A&M

 

2000 Independence Bowl - Mississippi State 43 Texas A&M 41 (OT)

2001 Galleryfurniture.com Bowl - Texas A&M 28 TCU 9

2005 Cotton Bowl Classic - Tennessee 38 Texas A&M 7

2006 Holiday Bowl - Cal 45 Texas A&M 10

2007 Alamo Bowl - Penn State 24 Texas A&M 17

2009 Independence Bowl - Georgia 44 Texas A&M 20

 

Texas Tech

 

2009 ALAMO BOWL - Texas Tech 41, Michigan St 31

2008 COTTON BOWL - Mississippi 47, Texas Tech 34

2007 GATOR BOWL - Texas Tech 31, Virginia 28

2006 INSIGHT BOWL - Texas Tech 44, Minnesota 41 (OT)

2005 COTTON BOWL - Alabama 13, Texas Tech 10

2004 HOLIDAY BOWL - Texas Tech 45, California 31

2003 HOUSTON BOWL - Texas Tech 38, Navy 14

2002 TANGERINE BOWL - Texas Tech 55, Clemson 15

2001 ALAMO BOWL - Iowa 19, Texas Tech 16

2000 GALLERYFURNITURE.COM BOWL - East Carolina 40, Texas Tech 27

[husker B-rent]

the big 10 has speed as is obvious by the players that are timed at the combine. is that speed as good as the big 12 or the SEC? no, but to say that its not close is outright crazy. however, they are more of a power based conference and imo if a team with more speed were to come in there i think they would make a huge splash and "fast" (pun intended).

[REDSTEEL]

Nebraska in this offense has no advantage whomever they play.

[husker B-rent]

Nebraska in this offense has no advantage whomever they play.

 

disagreed. you arent looking very hard if all you can see is last years offense.

[HuskerTrucker]

Team speed is vastly over-rated IMHO. All Division I teams now have "team speed". Even when Nebraska was considered not to of had team speed, they compensated with size on the line over-powering the other team (how many times did we kick butt against those "faster" SEC teams in bowl games?). There is a great difference on team speed when it comes to Division II schools compared to Division I schools. All Division I and II schools now can recruit size, I have been to many Division II games that had offensive lines that were all over 300 lbs, but the speed (and how in shape they were) was a big difference.

 

Saying all that, you will have instances, like a Suh, where he is much bigger, and much faster than most of the competition. Teams would love to have all their linemen that big and fast, but it don't happen. If you have 2 players in a "Suh Category" on defense you probably are going to win a national title game. IMHO it still comes down to scheming, and compensating for the other teams best player(s). You have to have some talent, speed, and size, but you have to know how to use it and defend against it, too.

[HuskerTrucker]

Nebraska in this offense has no advantage whomever they play.

 

It wasn't the offensive scheme if that is what you were meaning that failed us last season, it was the production or lack of production and lack of experience by the players. The line played on their asses most of the time through 3/4 of the season, and then there were injuries, and Cody wasn't ready when called on. Also, I don't think this offense is going to have the same look this season as it did last year. I think that Watson was very limited on what he could do with what was going on behind the scenes last season. Look for them to "open it up" a little this season. If this offense has the same look and feel it did last year, expect coaches heads to roll, beginning with Watson and Cotton.

[74Hunter]

Last night while I was working at my second job I ran into a new associate who is an Iowa fan. I stopped what I was doing and we started talking and I asked his opinion about what he thought if Nebraska joined the Big 10. He told me that he hates to admite it but Nebraska is getting really good and scary good but than said that Nebraska might not handle the speed that is in the Big 10. I told him that I begged to differ because nobody gave Nebraska a chance against Clemson with their speed but we held our ground and won that game. We both agreed that Bo has turned this program around and I told him that while Bo Pelini is our coach we'll be able to play anybody in the country and compete with them.

 

What are you thoughts? If Nebraska does join the Big 10, do you think that we can hold our weight and compete with them?

This is the reason that I hate the Big 10 and why many outside of their world consider their fans to be arrogant and ignorant.

 

Know your place.

[junior4949]

Team speed is vastly over-rated IMHO. All Division I teams now have "team speed". Even when Nebraska was considered not to of had team speed, they compensated with size on the line over-powering the other team (how many times did we kick butt against those "faster" SEC teams in bowl games?). There is a great difference on team speed when it comes to Division II schools compared to Division I schools. All Division I and II schools now can recruit size, I have been to many Division II games that had offensive lines that were all over 300 lbs, but the speed (and how in shape they were) was a big difference.

 

Saying all that, you will have instances, like a Suh, where he is much bigger, and much faster than most of the competition. Teams would love to have all their linemen that big and fast, but it don't happen. If you have 2 players in a "Suh Category" on defense you probably are going to win a national title game. IMHO it still comes down to scheming, and compensating for the other teams best player(s). You have to have some talent, speed, and size, but you have to know how to use it and defend against it, too.

 

To answer your question: rarely/never! When Nebraska tried to compensate with size over speed, we lost like 8 bowl games in a row. If you're talking about the mid-90's, then I think you need to go back and look at some of the 40 times of players we had. We were far from slow in the mid-90's. One of the biggest reasons Cosgrove's defense failed miserably here at Nebraska was the lack of speed by our LB's. He tried to substitute size for speed, and I think we all know how well that worked. Why do you think Bo really only had one LB on the field last year? He was compensating for size with speed. When was the last time a bigger slower team won the NC?

[Judoka]

 

This is the reason that I hate the Big 10 and why many outside of their world consider their fans to be arrogant and ignorant.

 

Know your place.

Ironic post of the day.

[colosilverado]

Either way, we'll have to prove it on the field. That's going to be the fun part. Let's line 'em up and hit each other in the mouth and see. This is part of why we're excited right? This isn't a bad thing....the potential looking down the noses at NU/MU. It is part of what we're signing up for and we all know it. What's the big deal?

 

I agree, the speed thing is over used. Be it schemes or whatever. Scheme will probably trump athleticism if the scheme is played soundly. We had some decent speed at some places with Cosgrove. A step here and there makes a huge difference and so does the intelligence and reading the keys, ala the CU game that I need not mention.

 

I think Bo can play any offensive scheme and we'll have the athletes and packages to match up. The rest is what makes it fun.

Our offense will have plenty of speed. We're getting "our guys" into place on the OL, too. I don't think anyone in the Big 10 has a passing attack like TTech has/had. I think we've seen QB's like tOSU et al have. I think Bo can scheme against power running....lol and we've got some bigger 'backers if need be.

 

Let's do this! It will be fun!

[jaws]

 

This is the reason that I hate the Big 10 and why many outside of their world consider their fans to be arrogant and ignorant.

 

Know your place.

Ironic post of the day.

 

I thought the same thing.

[sd'sker]

 

This is the reason that I hate the Big 10 and why many outside of their world consider their fans to be arrogant and ignorant.

 

Know your place.

Ironic post of the day.

 

I thought the same thing.

think about how the outside has thought of the big 12 for the past ten years. outside the top two teams, it has been pretty weak, not too mention the conference doesn't have the best bowl record; this is anecdotal, but i always feel disappointed and embarrassed at the end of bowl season, not to mention my bowl mania has suffered severely because of my faith in the big 12.

[jaws]

I don't think anyone in the Big 10 has a passing attack like TTech has/had. I think we've seen QB's like tOSU et al have. I think Bo can scheme against power running....lol and we've got some bigger 'backers if need be.

 

Let's do this! It will be fun!

 

DO you know why you won't find anyone in the Big 10 (or in most conferences) with a passing attack like TT? It may win you a lot of games but it doesn't win you championships.

 

Pryor isn't like most QB's. If he plays like he did in the Rose Bowl, he is a very hard QB to stop. He won't kill you with the pass but his all around game can/should be something special. Saying that, there is a good chance you won't see him vs NEB so it really doesn't matter. Nebraska's style of play should work well in the Big 10. I would like to think that Bo understands the conference.

[74Hunter]

 

This is the reason that I hate the Big 10 and why many outside of their world consider their fans to be arrogant and ignorant.

 

Know your place.

Ironic post of the day.

 

I thought the same thing.

Please, both of you, expand on your thoughts.