Why isn't there as much public outrage with the cop killer...

[It'sNotAFakeID]

BRI, I'm curious about what you think the problem is. Why does a large portion of the African-American population hate/distrust the police? There's obviously a disconnect somewhere and, as an officer of the law, I would like to hear your input on the matter.

[T_O_Bull]

One can support Police Officers and still denounce the fact that too many unarmed Black men are being shot dead by Police.

The cops aren't just out there shooting black men for no reason. If you don't want to get shot, don't put yourself in harms way and if a cop says "Hands up" then reach for the sky and do it quick. And that means black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. Lots of bad guys out there and skin color has no boundaries for good or bad.

T_O_B

[Junior]

 

One can support Police Officers and still denounce the fact that too many unarmed Black men are being shot dead by Police.

The cops aren't just out there shooting black men for no reason. If you don't want to get shot, don't put yourself in harms way and if a cop says "Hands up" then reach for the sky and do it quick. And that means black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. Lots of bad guys out there and skin color has no boundaries for good or bad.

T_O_B

 

 

Yea, and if you were in a car accident, don't ask cops for help.

http://gawker.com/charlotte-police-kill-unarmed-man-who-was-asking-for-he-1319654578

 

And if you are in WalMart, don't pick up one of the toy guns for sale.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ohio-walmart-death/

 

Etc, etc.

[knapplc]

 

One can support Police Officers and still denounce the fact that too many unarmed Black men are being shot dead by Police.

The cops aren't just out there shooting black men for no reason. If you don't want to get shot, don't put yourself in harms way and if a cop says "Hands up" then reach for the sky and do it quick. And that means black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. Lots of bad guys out there and skin color has no boundaries for good or bad.

T_O_B

 

This doesn't explain Tamir Rice's situation. At all.

 

Pretending that Police can do no wrong is not healthy in a Democracy. We should respect the Police for their service, and nearly everyone does. But we should not pretend that every time there's been a fatal shooting by the Police that they did everything right.

[It'sNotAFakeID]

 

 

One can support Police Officers and still denounce the fact that too many unarmed Black men are being shot dead by Police.

The cops aren't just out there shooting black men for no reason. If you don't want to get shot, don't put yourself in harms way and if a cop says "Hands up" then reach for the sky and do it quick. And that means black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. Lots of bad guys out there and skin color has no boundaries for good or bad.

T_O_B

 

 

Yea, and if you were in a car accident, don't ask cops for help.

http://gawker.com/charlotte-police-kill-unarmed-man-who-was-asking-for-he-1319654578

 

And if you are in WalMart, don't pick up one of the toy guns for sale.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ohio-walmart-death/

 

Etc, etc.

 

 

The first link is appalling to me. The second one, not so much. Dude had an air rifle, and cops have to protect themselves too. Life and death is a matter of seconds, so I'm willing to bet that there's not much time to distinguish air rifle versus actual rifle.

[T_O_Bull]

 

 

One can support Police Officers and still denounce the fact that too many unarmed Black men are being shot dead by Police.

The cops aren't just out there shooting black men for no reason. If you don't want to get shot, don't put yourself in harms way and if a cop says "Hands up" then reach for the sky and do it quick. And that means black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. Lots of bad guys out there and skin color has no boundaries for good or bad.

T_O_B

 

 

Yea, and if you were in a car accident, don't ask cops for help.

http://gawker.com/charlotte-police-kill-unarmed-man-who-was-asking-for-he-1319654578

 

And if you are in WalMart, don't pick up one of the toy guns for sale.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ohio-walmart-death/

 

Etc, etc.

 

Did either of these men comply with what the officers told them to do? One charged at the officers and the other was waving an air rifle around [seen one lately? They look a lot like the real thing.] If you don't want to get shot, don't make provocative moves toward the good guys.

T_O_B

[Junior]

 

 

 

One can support Police Officers and still denounce the fact that too many unarmed Black men are being shot dead by Police.

The cops aren't just out there shooting black men for no reason. If you don't want to get shot, don't put yourself in harms way and if a cop says "Hands up" then reach for the sky and do it quick. And that means black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. Lots of bad guys out there and skin color has no boundaries for good or bad.

T_O_B

 

 

Yea, and if you were in a car accident, don't ask cops for help.

http://gawker.com/charlotte-police-kill-unarmed-man-who-was-asking-for-he-1319654578

 

And if you are in WalMart, don't pick up one of the toy guns for sale.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ohio-walmart-death/

 

Etc, etc.

 

Did either of these men comply with what the officers told them to do? One charged at the officers and the other was waving an air rifle around [seen one lately? They look a lot like the real thing.] If you don't want to get shot, don't make provocative moves toward the good guys.

T_O_B

 

 

I'll give the benefit of the doubt on the air gun thing. But an unarmed man "charging" at TWO police officers warrants deadly force? You must be joking.

[T_O_Bull]

 

 

 

 

One can support Police Officers and still denounce the fact that too many unarmed Black men are being shot dead by Police.

The cops aren't just out there shooting black men for no reason. If you don't want to get shot, don't put yourself in harms way and if a cop says "Hands up" then reach for the sky and do it quick. And that means black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. Lots of bad guys out there and skin color has no boundaries for good or bad.

T_O_B

 

 

Yea, and if you were in a car accident, don't ask cops for help.

http://gawker.com/charlotte-police-kill-unarmed-man-who-was-asking-for-he-1319654578

 

And if you are in WalMart, don't pick up one of the toy guns for sale.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ohio-walmart-death/

 

Etc, etc.

 

Did either of these men comply with what the officers told them to do? One charged at the officers and the other was waving an air rifle around [seen one lately? They look a lot like the real thing.] If you don't want to get shot, don't make provocative moves toward the good guys.

T_O_B

 

 

I'll give the benefit of the doubt on the air gun thing. But an unarmed man "charging" at TWO police officers warrants deadly force? You must be joking.

 

Not joking at all. A lot of information is not given here. What time of day was it? How threatened did the people in the neighborhood feel? Was this person under the influence of drugs or alcohol? The officers involved are also being investigated by IAD and I can't believe that that is any kind of a pic-nic. Again if a police officer says hands up then get your hands up quick.

T_O_B

[ZRod]

 

 

 

Statistics can show what you want them to show depending on where you pull your data from.

 

No, they can't.

You can manipulate numbers to support any stand you decide to take.

lol. No you can't. Unless you just flat out change the numbers. Statistics are statistics and they say what they say. They're either gathered and interpreted correctly or they aren't.

And you might want to re-read the topic before you reply to my post and talk about pissing and moaning about cops. I've done neither of those things.

It's that gathering and interpretation that is being questioned. Statistics need context as well. In socioeconomic issues statistics can't be used as an end all be all. There are far, far too many variables influencing them. I think they can be used for a guide, but still need to be looked at with an open mind.

[knapplc]

It's that gathering and interpretation that is being questioned. Statistics need context as well. In socioeconomic issues statistics can't be used as an end all be all. There are far, far too many variables influencing them. I think they can be used for a guide, but still need to be looked at with an open mind.

I only agree with 64% of this post. That statistic don't lie.

[Moiraine]

 

 

 

 

Statistics can show what you want them to show depending on where you pull your data from.

No, they can't.

You can manipulate numbers to support any stand you decide to take.

lol. No you can't. Unless you just flat out change the numbers. Statistics are statistics and they say what they say. They're either gathered and interpreted correctly or they aren't.

And you might want to re-read the topic before you reply to my post and talk about pissing and moaning about cops. I've done neither of those things.

It's that gathering and interpretation that is being questioned. Statistics need context as well. In socioeconomic issues statistics can't be used as an end all be all. There are far, far too many variables influencing them. I think they can be used for a guide, but still need to be looked at with an open mind.

 

 

Agree with the bolded. I think people often question them out of hand if they disagree with the results, not because they think the interpretation or sampling methods are wrong.

[knapplc]

Way to go, Fox affiliate. Sheesh.

Baltimore Fox Affiliate Edits Protest Footage To Sound Like 'Kill A Cop'

A Fox affiliate in Baltimore aired a segment on Sunday showing footage from a "Justice For All" demonstration in Washington, D.C. in which it edited a chant to sound like protestors were shouting "kill a cop."

"At this rally in Washington, D.C. protestors chanted, 'we won't stop, we can't stop, so kill a cop,'" the WBFF broadcast said.

But the full footage, flagged by Gawker on Monday via C-SPAN, revealed that the chant was "we won't stop, we can't stop, 'til killer cops are in cell blocks."

 

[NUance]

And if you are in WalMart, don't pick up one of the toy guns for sale.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ohio-walmart-death/

The Walmart shooting was a perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances. A lot of blame for that is on the person who called 911 and told police that he saw the kid load the gun and point it towards people. When the cops entered the store they had been led to believe that there was an active shooter roaming around. And then it sounds like the kid was talking on his cell phone when the cops ordered him to put the gun down. In a situation like that the police have only a split second to react. If the gun had been real, the kid would have been likely to fire on them when confronted. I feel sorry for the family, but it's hard to fault the cops for the circumstances that led to the death of the kid. It's just a tragic situation all the way around.

[Abdullah the Butcher]

 

And if you are in WalMart, don't pick up one of the toy guns for sale.http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ohio-walmart-death/

The Walmart shooting was a perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances. A lot of blame for that is on the person who called 911 and told police that he saw the kid load the gun and point it towards people. When the cops entered the store they had been led to believe that there was an active shooter roaming around. And then it sounds like the kid was talking on his cell phone when the cops ordered him to put the gun down. In a situation like that the police have only a split second to react. If the gun had been real, the kid would have been likely to fire on them when confronted. I feel sorry for the family, but it's hard to fault the cops for the circumstances that led to the death of the kid. It's just a tragic situation all the way around.

Nope racist cops.

[Junior]

When some of us talk about “two Americas,” this is illustrates it — exactly.

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/two-americas-ferguson-missouri-versus-bundy-ranch-nevada/

 

As we noted before, we can’t help but to contrast law enforcement’s reaction to protesters in Ferguson, Missouri versus law enforcement’s reaction during the Bundy Ranch fiasco.

 

1) The Bundy Ranch: On one hand, a large group of armed white men marched in a line of battle while at least one civilian rifleman in a sniper’s perch trained his weapon at Bureau of Land Management officials. In reaction, the government didn’t fire a single round or canister of tear gas, and eventually retreated, conceding the disputed ground to the Bundy militias. It’s important to note that the protesters turned out in support of a man who refused to pay his taxes and grazed his cattle without paying the accompanying fees. This man, Cliven Bundy, and his supporters threatened secession and armed revolt against the United States goverment.

 

2) Ferguson, Missouri: On the other hand, unarmed African American protesters in Ferguson, enraged and grieving from the death of an (again) unarmed black man named Michael Brown who was shot in the back by a police officer, have been confronted for several days now by police in full military regalia. This time, the rifleman in the sniper’s perch is a police officer — his scope trained on the protesters.

In Ferguson, law enforcement is vastly overreacting in the face of peaceful protesters, while at the Bundy Ranch, law enforcement vastly underreacted in the face of armed secessionists and scofflaws.