Example of Coaching Upgrade

[ScottyIce]

 

 

 

 

 

Coach Bray said there are guys that never saw a rep in practice with the old staff. So based on that fact alone, this new staff is a major upgrade.

That doesn't surprise me, I guess. Everyone knew Pelini had a doghouse. We just didn't know to what extent the depth of it.

 

 

That is ridiculous. HOW CAN THE PROGRAM IMPROVE? I suppose Courtney Love didn't see a rep until last season, which would make me want to transfer too!

 

CL: "Hey Coach, could I practice today so that I'm ready for tomorrow?"

BP: "No, hit the showers."

 

Courtney Love might not be the best example.

 

He redshirted his first year so presumably he was on the scout team not getting many reps if at all. Then last year was his RS FR year so then he would get reps I suppose. You could be right though. I have no clue as to the inner workings to a Pelini practice.

 

 

Does anyone?

 

Well we are starting to get an idea after some player interviews this Spring

 

 

Yes we are. It's hard to truly decipher what happened though. On one hand you have, well this player is going to say whatever he needs to say to make a good impression on the new staff and then on the other hand you have, wow what the hell was the previous coaching staff doing?

[StPaulHusker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coach Bray said there are guys that never saw a rep in practice with the old staff. So based on that fact alone, this new staff is a major upgrade.

That doesn't surprise me, I guess. Everyone knew Pelini had a doghouse. We just didn't know to what extent the depth of it.

 

 

That is ridiculous. HOW CAN THE PROGRAM IMPROVE? I suppose Courtney Love didn't see a rep until last season, which would make me want to transfer too!

 

CL: "Hey Coach, could I practice today so that I'm ready for tomorrow?"

BP: "No, hit the showers."

 

Courtney Love might not be the best example.

 

He redshirted his first year so presumably he was on the scout team not getting many reps if at all. Then last year was his RS FR year so then he would get reps I suppose. You could be right though. I have no clue as to the inner workings to a Pelini practice.

 

 

Does anyone?

 

Well we are starting to get an idea after some player interviews this Spring

 

 

Yes we are. It's hard to truly decipher what happened though. On one hand you have, well this player is going to say whatever he needs to say to make a good impression on the new staff and then on the other hand you have, wow what the hell was the previous coaching staff doing?

 

Personally I don't care how Pelini coached. He's not here anymore so it doesn't matter. As long as the new coach is better than the last, that is all I care about.

[ScottyIce]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coach Bray said there are guys that never saw a rep in practice with the old staff. So based on that fact alone, this new staff is a major upgrade.

That doesn't surprise me, I guess. Everyone knew Pelini had a doghouse. We just didn't know to what extent the depth of it.

 

 

That is ridiculous. HOW CAN THE PROGRAM IMPROVE? I suppose Courtney Love didn't see a rep until last season, which would make me want to transfer too!

 

CL: "Hey Coach, could I practice today so that I'm ready for tomorrow?"

BP: "No, hit the showers."

 

Courtney Love might not be the best example.

 

He redshirted his first year so presumably he was on the scout team not getting many reps if at all. Then last year was his RS FR year so then he would get reps I suppose. You could be right though. I have no clue as to the inner workings to a Pelini practice.

 

 

Does anyone?

 

Well we are starting to get an idea after some player interviews this Spring

 

 

Yes we are. It's hard to truly decipher what happened though. On one hand you have, well this player is going to say whatever he needs to say to make a good impression on the new staff and then on the other hand you have, wow what the hell was the previous coaching staff doing?

 

Personally I don't care how Pelini coached. He's not here anymore so it doesn't matter. As long as the new coach is better than the last, that is all I care about.

 

 

Well it does matter and that is what the discussion is about, but I'm over it as well. Here's to the future!

[HUSKER FREAK]

 

I really thought the quote from Banderas was funny and probably very true. Considering how slow the linebackers were to react. He said: in the old system we see the ball think about it and then react. In the new scheme we see the ball and react. And another was: last year we had a dictionary to memorize this years is a preschool book.

Now to me defense is pretty damn simple. There is no reason to make it complicated. Yes I know you have disguise blitzes and coverages but being overly complicated to the point they are afraid to react is pretty stupid coaching. You don't have the luxury of knowing where the ball is going so the faster you react the better meaning the simpler the the d the better.

 

I get what you are saying but in Pelini's defense when he had people running his defense the way he wanted, it was very good despite its complexities.

Although you are right about being a good defense when we were able to get the kids who could understand it, but it was still a bend but don't break defense that ended up us losing by a field goal at the end of the game in our close games because our offense sucked. And, if he wasn't able to get the players he needed for his scheme then why wouldn't you change the scheme to match your players. It is like the blow out games. They all did the same thing to us. Wisky best example kept running the same plays on us over and over and pelini wouldn't change. He just let it happen and then threw his players under the bus because they weren't disciplined. That makes me laugh now because I'm pretty damn sure the players were disciplined otherwise they would have told him where to go and just free lanced, because at that point they would have been better off.

 

I was a supporter of Pelini for almost the whole time he was here, but at the end when his craziness started going public (and I'm not just saying emotions during a game but the actual "Crazy" or " insane") it completely made sense why we could never have a complete team. He just didn't know how to manage. Whether being his assistants or players he didn't know what the hell he was doing on an everyday professional level. He didn't hire experts at positions because he couldn't say he knew more or couldn't control them. He would focus on an area and that was it until that was fixed or until those players understood it, but wouldn't spend the time at every position like that or all other players because he couldn't, not enough Time too even if he wanted to. Now I'm not positive that Mike Riley has it all figured out, but as far as a manager and getting the right assistants to coach his players ( experts at those positions) it sure sounds as though he is approaching this team in the right way and letting and trusting his assistants to do their jobs. I feel bad for the players now more then ever for the simple fact that some of them have to feel as though they were lied to and betrayed by the previous staff, or maybe just Pelini beings he's the one who hired the assistants and then micromanaged them. I'm not saying the assistants here were all stupid just saying they couldn't succeed or look really good because pelini wouldn't let them.

[QMany]

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

I hope you are right, but that is quite a bit of speculation. Coach speak is just that until we see them play.

 

It reminds me of all of the grandiose plans you had for Tommy Armstrong this past year.

[HUSKER FREAK]

 

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

 

I hope you are right, but that is quite a bit of speculation. Coach speak is just that until we see them play.

 

It reminds me of all of the grandiose plans you had for Tommy Armstrong this past year.

Well when you listen to the players and the coaches talk and they are both saying that they are learning more and understanding more about their position's , it seems like it is a little more than speculation or coach speak.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

I hope you are right, but that is quite a bit of speculation. Coach speak is just that until we see them play.

 

It reminds me of all of the grandiose plans you had for Tommy Armstrong this past year.

Well when you listen to the players and the coaches talk and they are both saying that they are learning more and understanding more about their position's , it seems like it is a little more than speculation or coach speak.

 

I tend to agree with you but keep telling myself to caution on assuming too much.

 

When you have had a teacher or manager for 7 years and then all of a sudden that leadership person changes, it can feel like all of a sudden you are learning more. When, in reality, much of what you are feeling is learning something different. It's ALL different so it feels like you are learning more.

 

I'm excited that the players seem excited about the coaching staff (at least the ones who are talking to the media). That buy in is important.

[HUSKER FREAK]

 

 

 

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

 

I hope you are right, but that is quite a bit of speculation. Coach speak is just that until we see them play.

 

It reminds me of all of the grandiose plans you had for Tommy Armstrong this past year.

Well when you listen to the players and the coaches talk and they are both saying that they are learning more and understanding more about their position's , it seems like it is a little more than speculation or coach speak.

I tend to agree with you but keep telling myself to caution on assuming too much.

 

When you have had a teacher or manager for 7 years and then all of a sudden that leadership person changes, it can feel like all of a sudden you are learning more. When, in reality, much of what you are feeling is learning something different. It's ALL different so it feels like you are learning more.

 

I'm excited that the players seem excited about the coaching staff (at least the ones who are talking to the media). That buy in is important.

I agree with you. It is always easier listening to fresh ideas after gearing the same things for a few years. Like USAID though I'm not positive that MR will get it done here, but I sure like the way he handles his job. He is not afraid of it and genuinely enjoys his job. From coaching to talking with the media he really enjoys what he does, and that type of leadership is contagious in a good way.

[QMany]

I certainly like the way Riley handles himself, too. I like the access and the PR campaign going on with their social media. It is just important to remember it is all somewhat self-serving. Saying all the right things is great, and Pelini certainly didn't all the time, but I care more about the on-field performance though. Calling them "teachers first" and "real coaches" off of a self-serving media snippets before we've even played a Spring Game is awfully ambitious.

[DelK]

 

 

I really thought the quote from Banderas was funny and probably very true. Considering how slow the linebackers were to react. He said: in the old system we see the ball think about it and then react. In the new scheme we see the ball and react. And another was: last year we had a dictionary to memorize this years is a preschool book.

Now to me defense is pretty damn simple. There is no reason to make it complicated. Yes I know you have disguise blitzes and coverages but being overly complicated to the point they are afraid to react is pretty stupid coaching. You don't have the luxury of knowing where the ball is going so the faster you react the better meaning the simpler the the d the better.

I get what you are saying but in Pelini's defense when he had people running his defense the way he wanted, it was very good despite its complexities.

If you're a coach, then you're a teacher. You'd better be able to teach. To say Pelini's defense was "very good" despite it's complexities is probably true, if he got 11 guys to execute it consistently, it probably would be brilliant. 2009 showed that. Ndamukong Suh makes a lot of defenses look pretty good though. Same could be said for LaVonte David when he came into the picture.

 

The point is though, as great as Bo Pelini's defense is -or that image of what he wanted them to be that was trapped inside his head - it all meant nothing. Zip. Zero. Garbage. None of it matters if you can't teach your players to execute it. As we saw, they rarely did execute it and Bo told us as much on a weekly basis. So what kind of idiot watches his team not execute week after week, yet changes nothing? Stay the course Bo.....good for you, look what it got ya.

 

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

I'd only question the term "idiot" and maybe suggest "stubborn . . . something or other". And add, that the same could be said for using the same signal for the snap that the defense was reading.

[StPaulHusker]

 

 

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

I hope you are right, but that is quite a bit of speculation. Coach speak is just that until we see them play.

 

It reminds me of all of the grandiose plans you had for Tommy Armstrong this past year.

Well when you listen to the players and the coaches talk and they are both saying that they are learning more and understanding more about their position's , it seems like it is a little more than speculation or coach speak.

 

Whenever I got a new boss at a job, I always said all the right things and worked extra hard to impress them too.....

[commando]

 

 

 

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

I hope you are right, but that is quite a bit of speculation. Coach speak is just that until we see them play.

 

It reminds me of all of the grandiose plans you had for Tommy Armstrong this past year.

Well when you listen to the players and the coaches talk and they are both saying that they are learning more and understanding more about their position's , it seems like it is a little more than speculation or coach speak.

 

Whenever I got a new boss at a job, I always said all the right things and worked extra hard to impress them too.....

 

and sometimes the new boss is actually better.

[True2tRA]

 

 

 

This new staff are teachers first. These guys are real coaches. They realize these players aren't pons on a chess board. This is football.

 

I hope you are right, but that is quite a bit of speculation. Coach speak is just that until we see them play.

 

It reminds me of all of the grandiose plans you had for Tommy Armstrong this past year.

Well when you listen to the players and the coaches talk and they are both saying that they are learning more and understanding more about their position's , it seems like it is a little more than speculation or coach speak.

I tend to agree with you but keep telling myself to caution on assuming too much.

 

When you have had a teacher or manager for 7 years and then all of a sudden that leadership person changes, it can feel like all of a sudden you are learning more. When, in reality, much of what you are feeling is learning something different. It's ALL different so it feels like you are learning more.

 

I'm excited that the players seem excited about the coaching staff (at least the ones who are talking to the media). That buy in is important.

You have a valid point QMany, but I side more with what Husker Freak is saying. There's a lot of years of coaching on this staff. NFL and college level. Maybe I am basing what I say purely off what these guys are saying, but the years of experience these guys have has also got to count for something. I think these guys are bringing a lot more to each position than these players have seen.

 

I can see the Point BignRed Buster makes too though, it makes a lot of sense. I just keep going back to the vast knowledge and experience these guys bring to the table. I know maybe some of us became convinced the last staff were "gurus" and "mad scientists" but we're they really? I mean, Bo was a first time HC. Tim Beck was a former passing game coordinator at Kansas. What has Kaczinski done that was so great again? Who was Fisher? Didn't he teach HIgh School golf or something? Just go down the list of those guys.....Garrison? What was his experience?

 

When you really look at it, it's not hard to compare this new staffs resume' to the old staff and you begin to strongly believe that's it's likely they are actually learning or will be learning quite a lot.

 

Qmany as far as your point about Tommy, I'm still struggling to figure that out. I'll admit though, and I have in the past, he not only didn't get better, he got worse last year. I thought I saw a natural talent just waiting to break out but it sure didn't happen. I can't say I've given up on him though. I still think the dude is a baller. He may or may not get another chance to show it though. He'll have to play better than he has though, for sure. I still think the right coaching and this new system will be the help Tommy needed.

[Bowfin]

I was a supporter of Pelini for almost the whole time he was here, but at the end when his craziness started going public (and I'm not just saying emotions during a game but the actual "Crazy" or " insane")

 

I can tell you exactly when this craziness all started: October 8, 2011. More specifically, when those in Memorial Stadium booed a big run by Ohio State right after a Taylor Martinez interception, and Pelini turned around and reacted to that.

 

We can talk all we want about who did what worse, who showed the least class, who was craziest, who was sneaking around behind somebody else's back and leaking things and all that, but we DEFINITELY know who started it that evening...

 

...and it wasn't Pelini.

 

Now, I can't say I'm going to miss Pelini, but in my book he comes out a lot less tarnished a lot less tarnished than the average Nebraska fan in these last few years of "unpleasantness".

 

This puts me into a bad spot: I would like to see Riley and the Cornhuskers do well, but I would also like to see a comeuppance of those fans who think "we deserve better, because we are the Number One fans in College Football!"

[zoogs]

Oh, c'mon. Pelini is who he is. He was not made that way because fans booed in a game one time. And the crazy most certainly did not begin in 2011.