Gun Control

[BigRedBuster]

 

[Danny Bateman]

3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

No doubt this will be loved by pro-2A conservatives because Ollie North is a famous figure fell on a sword for Reagan. I'm sure the notoriety was a huge factor in this decision. 

 

But moreover, the NRA and conservatism as a whole is becoming primarily about how well one can "trigger the libs" and be combative versus perceived enemies rather than what one offers substantively. I'm sure they knew plenty of non-conseravtives would bristle at Ollie North and counted that as a qualification.

 

I wish they could do better than that, but this is the road we've gone down.

 

[BigRedBuster]

 

[BigRedBuster]

I would love to see the scientific study on this. 

 

 

[knapplc]

Wow! Who knew Ritalin was such a huge problem in the US! 

 

 

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The US has had 57 times as many school shootings as the other major industrialized nations combined

School shootings are a reality in America, an average of one a week just this year alone.

But how does the US compare with other countries in the world?

That's difficult to ascertain because very little research exists to quantify that.

For the purposes of this analysis, we followed the criteria below -

The scope: First, we looked at the G7 countries -- the countries with the largest advanced economies in the world.

The countries are Canada, the US, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, the UK.

The time period: From January 1, 2009 to May 21, 2018.

The definition: The parameters we followed in this count are -

• Shooting must involve at least one person being shot (not including the shooter)
• Shooting must occur on school grounds
• We included gang violence, fights and domestic violence (but our count is NOT limited to those categories)
• We included grades K through college/university level as well as vocational schools
• We included accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met

 

The analysis: For US stats, CNN reviewed media reports and a variety of databases including those from the Gun Violence Archive and Northwestern Institute on Complex Systems. For international stats, we looked at local and national media reports.

The caveat: Reporting on non-fatal school shootings is not always available. There may be additional school shootings with injuries that did not make it into the newspaper or digital publications, and therefore aren't counted in databases that rely on media reports. This is true for shootings in the US and overseas.

 

What we found:

There have been at least 288 school shootings in the United States since January 1, 2009.

That's 57 times as many shootings as the other six G7 countries combined.

 

 

[NM11046]

Wonder how long it will take the NRA to compare ritalin prescribing habits in the US vs these countries.  I don't buy the excuse but it will support this claim of relation.

[knapplc]

The NRA is special-interest group working against the majority of Americans. 

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

22 minutes ago, knapplc said:

The NRA is special-interest group working against the majority of Americans. 

 

 

 

What the living hell?????

 

The NRA wants congress to pass laws limiting the media's ability to report on kids dying from guns???

And....this is an organization that pounds the table and claims it is defending the constitution?

[sho]

7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

What the living hell?????

 

The NRA wants congress to pass laws limiting the media's ability to report on kids dying from guns???

And....this is an organization that pounds the table and claims it is defending the constitution?

 

Not at all, the point of the video was the anger and disgust people feel about having Congress put limitations on the first amendment rights on how to cover the shootings is the same feeling people should have when talking about the government putting limitations on the second amendment.   The point was media should self restrain on the the coverage.  For isntance they shouldn't plaster the name of the shooter or repeatedly talk about the chaos and carnage as it only serves to inspire future shooters.   And that the best solution is to downplay or not report and not over saturate the populace with the story.  Also that focusing on all of our rights is the avenue to go for positive change instead of infringing on some of our rights.

[knapplc]

10 minutes ago, sho said:

the point of the video

 

The point of the video was to, once again, deflect from the real problem (America's addiction to guns and the NRA's culpability in that problem) and instead focus on something else - anything else - as the reason these things happen. 

 

It's just another in a long list of excuses the NRA has come up with to deflect from the actual problem. It's not guns, it's:

 

No prayer in schools

Ritalin

Mental Health

Culture of death

Violent video games

Crisis actors

Not enough guns

 

That's just off the top of my head. They've been doing this since Columbine, maybe before.  And people focus on the distraction instead of the problem.

[sho]

5 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

The point of the video was to, once again, deflect from the real problem (America's addiction to guns and the NRA's culpability in that problem) and instead focus on something else - anything else - as the reason these things happen. 

 

It's just another in a long list of excuses the NRA has come up with to deflect from the actual problem. It's not guns, it's:

 

No prayer in schools

Ritalin

Mental Health

Culture of death

Violent video games

Crisis actors

Not enough guns

 

That's just off the top of my head. They've been doing this since Columbine, maybe before.  And people focus on the distraction instead of the problem.

 

I agree completely, it's another deflection piece.  But it's not trying to limit any of the Bill of Rights, it's to manipulate you too make you think that 'that's a good point, we shouldn't amend any of the BoR' and thus not limit people's ability to have weapons of mass destruction.

 

[BigRedBuster]

33 minutes ago, sho said:

 

Not at all, the point of the video was the anger and disgust people feel about having Congress put limitations on the first amendment rights on how to cover the shootings is the same feeling people should have when talking about the government putting limitations on the second amendment.   The point was media should self restrain on the the coverage.  For isntance they shouldn't plaster the name of the shooter or repeatedly talk about the chaos and carnage as it only serves to inspire future shooters.   And that the best solution is to downplay or not report and not over saturate the populace with the story.  Also that focusing on all of our rights is the avenue to go for positive change instead of infringing on some of our rights.

 

Fair enough.

 

But, to make this an apples to apples scenario, the NRA (gun manufacturers)believe that the solution is to have MORE guns EVERYWHERE.  So....taking that to the First Amendment, must mean that we need to be talking about these shootings MORE and EVERYWHERE.

The NRA is just plain full of crap (and I know you know that, but it can't be said enough).

[Landlord]

I ~kind of~ actually agree with the NRA that the media's role in this American phenomenon is a powerful, and detrimental, one.

 

 

Which isn't for one second to say that we don't have a tragic, obvious, dramatic, and unique gun problem. But it is not the *only* problem.

[BigRedBuster]

 

[funhusker]

24 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Were the good guys armed with high capacity magazines and bumpstocks?  If not, looks like a simple hand gun is more than capable of stopping the bad guys.