The Republican Utopia

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Here Judd gaslights the world into thinking Allen was kidnapping a girl from a reservation and taking her away.  It’s funny that this douche doesn’t give full context to the charge.   I believe you constantly use the word “nuance”.  For those who want to know more, from the link provided in the article….

 

In February, Allen and a former commission psychologist, acccompanied by a TV crew, visited an Arizona Indian reservation to interview a 14-year-old Apache girl, the subject of a custody battle between her natural mother and the white couple who had adopted her. Allen contends that the girl wants to leave the reservation, though the mother has formal custody. The commissioner and the psychologist picked the girl up for the interview on her way home from school. Although they then took her to her mother, the mother filed a kidnaping charge against Allen. He was arrested by local police and detained for five hours.”

 

Was it right to to interview the girl without the moms consent?  I would say no.  But they were not “kidnapping” the girl in the sense people commonly use the word.  Secondarily, the article says he was arrested, doesn’t say anything about being charged, yet Judd takes liberty and says Allen was charged without providing any proof.   As a supposed journalist, he should know the difference.  
 

Im sure there is quite a bit more to go over in the racist hit piece by Judd but no time now to look. 

Was he charged with kidnapping?

[JJ Husker]

15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

 

So now this poster is trying to gaslight everyone by saying The Big Guy doesn’t have the intelligence to know what Hunter is doing with these calls and actively participate in it, yet has the intelligence to be a sitting VP at the time and now current President.   
 

It would be sort of nice if you could stick with just one position on JBs mental capabilities. One day he doesn’t know what planet he’s on, couldn’t pour piss out of a boot and sandbags outsmart him but the next day he’s the omniscient cold calculating mastermind of a global brand. Pretty doubtful both things are true….but I understand, it depends what angle you’re playing that day.

[Guy Chamberlin]

14 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

 

 

 

We both know you haven’t read the entire Mueller report and have only looked at summarized talks points.  
 

But ya, The Big Guy only said “hey”   (Over 20 times on the phone during Hunter’s business meetings.  Not unusual at all right).   
 

So now this poster is trying to gaslight everyone by saying The Big Guy doesn’t have the intelligence to know what Hunter is doing with these calls and actively participate in it, yet has the intelligence to be a sitting VP at the time and now current President.   
 

 

Occam's Razor might also suggest that The Big Guy knows perfectly well his screwed up son is trying to trade on his influence, and is willing to take the call when Hunter wants to prove he can get his dad on the line. As a sitting VP, Joe really doesn't have much quid pro quo to offer, and if he crossed that line in a phone call you'd expect it to leave a trail. Maybe it's there, but Ukraine corruption was incredibly thick and murky at the time. At the very least, Obama should have stepped in and advised both Joe and Hunter that the Burisma involvement was bad optics and ill-advised, though not necessarily illegal as we've seen with Trump and Associates foreign entanglements. 

[JJ Husker]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

 

I agree with the overall post, but I think it's unfair to say that JB is just okay, I think it's a pretty phenomenal job given the circumstances, the razor thin legislative majorities they had to work with during the first term, and an opposition party that has a political base that does not live in reality. 

 

I don't think the accomplishments could reasonably be better. 

I agree in theory but a President is sort of like the quarterback. They get too much blame for the bad and too much credit for the good while a bunch of things they have no direct control over influence the outcome.

[teachercd]

2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Occam's Razor might also suggest that The Big Guy knows perfectly well his screwed up son is trying to trade on his influence, and is willing to take the call when Hunter wants to prove he can get his dad on the line. As a sitting VP, Joe really doesn't have much quid pro quo to offer, and if he crossed that line in a phone call you'd expect it to leave a trail. Maybe it's there, but Ukraine corruption was incredibly thick and murky at the time. At the very least, Obama should have stepped in and advised both Joe and Hunter that the Burisma involvement was bad optics and ill-advised, though not necessarily illegal as we've seen with Trump and Associates foreign entanglements. 

There is not a (good) Dad in the world that would not help out his son.  I don't fault him for that, for getting on the phone.  I don't blame him for lying either, because we are all liars.

 

 

[Archy1221]

19 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Was he charged with kidnapping?

Who knows?   Judd doesn’t provide a source to back up his claim.  It’s up to him to show, not me to look up.  

[Archy1221]

19 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

It would be sort of nice if you could stick with just one position on JBs mental capabilities. One day he doesn’t know what planet he’s on, couldn’t pour piss out of a boot and sandbags outsmart him but the next day he’s the omniscient cold calculating mastermind of a global brand. Pretty doubtful both things are true….but I understand, it depends what angle you’re playing that day.

I don’t think it takes too many neurons firing for The Big Guy to know that speaking to his sons business partners as VP or sitting Senator would help the home teams cause.   
 

But I understand it depends on what angle you’re playing that day to admit this.   

[Archy1221]

19 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

As a sitting VP, Joe really doesn't have much quid pro quo to offer, and if he crossed that line in a phone call you'd expect it to leave a trail.

Well I guess if you mean, Burisma execs stating they need to get DC involved when talking about the Ukrainian prosecutor and the next thing you know The Big Guy gets him fired and brags about on TV as a trail, then I guess that base is covered.  

[Guy Chamberlin]

16 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Well I guess if you mean, Burisma execs stating they need to get DC involved when talking about the Ukrainian prosecutor and the next thing you know The Big Guy gets him fired and brags about on TV as a trail, then I guess that base is covered.  

 

Like I said.....it's murky. Some might also say you're wrong. I'm okay with murky. But Trump still comes out looking more wrong than Joe.

 

Hope you're okay with the The Hill and USA Today. I'm well aware from my Google Search that House Republicans chose to frame the facts differently. 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/552022-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-he-was-fired-for-not-investigating/

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Like I said.....it's murky. Some might also say you're wrong. I'm okay with murky. But Trump still comes out looking more wrong than Joe.

 

Hope you're okay with the The Hill and USA Today. I'm well aware from my Google Search that House Republicans chose to frame the facts differently. 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/552022-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-he-was-fired-for-not-investigating/

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

I like The Hill…

 

I guess my counter to theHill article is it’s not disputing the Shokin argument because it references a different situation.  
 

I readily admit I’m probably missing the reason you posted it, so if you want to let me know I appreciate it 

 

The time frame on the other two articles do not have the recent developments that connected the dots for those still in doubt in my view.  

[BigRedBuster]

2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Who knows?   Judd doesn’t provide a source to back up his claim.  It’s up to him to show, not me to look up.  

This discussion really doesn't change my mind that it's pretty funny that Ronny thinks this guy is so amazingly credible on the subject that he's going to save his campaign.

[Archy1221]

39 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

This discussion really doesn't change my mind that it's pretty funny that Ronny thinks this guy is so amazingly credible on the subject that he's going to save his campaign.

Ron hasn’t ever stated defending the FDOE standards was an issue that’s “going to save his campaign”. 
 

Do you find it funny at all that the one sentence in the Black History curriculum that gets you and others mad was also a part of the AP Black History curriculum that you and others defended?  

[JJ Husker]

3 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Well I guess if you mean, Burisma execs stating they need to get DC involved when talking about the Ukrainian prosecutor and the next thing you know The Big Guy gets him fired and brags about on TV as a trail, then I guess that base is covered.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/01/devpn-archer-oversight-testimony/
 

It would maybe be helpful if you understood the timeline of events better. The above article lays it out pretty well. #1 Joe’s trip to Ukraine was planned way before the alleged phone call. And #2 from the article…

He “testified there was a team of lobbyists and government affairs specialists Burisma hired that Archer referred to as the ‘D.C. team’ to deal, unsuccessfully, with issues including the fact Zlochevsky was denied a visa to the U.S. and Mexico,” the source explained. Archer suggested that the call may have been to that team, not the vice president

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