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Legendary Husker Softball coach Rhonda Revelle has been suspended. 

 

 

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This is definitely something I did not see coming. She's a good coach. Hopefully we get more information soon.

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As the World-Herald notes, the program has been struggling the past few years:

 

 

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Nebraska’s combined record the past three seasons is 76-83 (.478), including sub-.500 seasons in 2017 (24-29) and 2019 (21-31). Even the 2018 season, in which the Huskers finished 31-23, was a turbulent campaign as Nebraska lost nine of its final 10 games, virtually eliminating the team from postseason consideration.

 

The Huskers also have lost their past four Big Ten tournament games dating to a 2016 second-round setback to Penn State. The Nittany Lions also ended Nebraska’s season in the first round in 2017, as did Michigan State in 2018 and Illinois in 2019.

 

This year’s team was Revelle’s second to finish with more than 30 losses. The Huskers had a 9-14 record in Big Ten games. 

 

 

While this is unlikely to be THE reason (I'm guessing it has more to do with behavior than performance) it sure doesn't help a coach when complaints are made.

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I am not at all surprised by this. Knew a girl, who was a starter and all big ten, on the team just a few years back and Revelle made her HATE softball. She would text at all hours of the night just berating players. This girl said one night Revelle was not happy with her play and she texted her non stop throughout an entire night and she was not able to sleep as you were expected to respond promptly. From everything I have personally been told she is a psycho. 

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8 minutes ago, SUHperman said:

I am not at all surprised by this. Knew a girl, who was a starter and all big ten, on the team just a few years back and Revelle made her HATE softball. She would text at all hours of the night just berating players. This girl said one night Revelle was not happy with her play and she texted her non stop throughout an entire night and she was not able to sleep as you were expected to respond promptly. From everything I have personally been told she is a psycho. 

 

The question is, is this an example of Revelle being psycho or of the play being overly sensitive? Hard to say from outside. I'm sure you have no reason to doubt your friend, but others have a different take on Revelle:

 

Other coaches:

 

Stanford

 

Michigan State

 

 

Current/Former players:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, knapplc said:

 

The question is, is this an example of Revelle being psycho or of the play being overly sensitive? Hard to say from outside. I'm sure you have no reason to doubt your friend, but others have a different take on Revelle:

 

Other coaches:

 

Stanford

 

Michigan State

 

 

Current/Former players:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I totally agree many people today are soft and don’t know how to take coaching.  However, everything I have heard she takes it too far. We actually just heard from my friends dad and these were his thoughts. Btw he was a select coach for almost a decade and his daughter played for Nebraska for 4 years so I trust his insight. 

 

“She is mentally abusive. Great person in general and in the off-season. Once the season starts she turns into somebody else. When she loses games she is relentlessly abusive. She had a tough year and when she lost to Creighton badly she was not pleasant to be around. Many with that say kids are soft today and I agree with that but this kind of stuff was way beyond.” 

 

If consecutive graduating classes have complained I’m guessing something is going on and it’s not all just the kids being soft. 

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It's hard to say since none of us have seen the texts that are (apparently) the issue, or heard the verbiage that is (apparently) the issue.

 

I know Yori's former players came out in support of her just like Revelle's are, and Yori still left.

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As much as it pains me to this as someone who agrees that kids are softer now than it used to be you just can't coach kids the same way as was done in the 80s/90s/00s.  The only exceptions I can think of are the absolute elite level coaches who are also of the older school like Izzo and Saban who can back up their hard coaching with buckets of accolades.  You also need to take the sport into the context, I think you can coach kids harder in sports like football, wrestling (especially) and basketball because there is a more physical element to those sports and generally, 'tougher' kids are going to thrive.  I thought about including all individual sports in there but I've seen far too many golfers and tennis players just mentally melt down.  Unfortunately for Revelle, she's 6 years removed from a Super Regional appearance and 7 years removed from a WCWS appearance and the team has been mostly .500 or worse since then.  I also think there is probably an element of sometimes your message just starts to go stale.  I don't know off the top of my head, but I think Revelle has been there since at least the early 2000s right?  That's a long, long time.

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8 minutes ago, knapplc said:

It's hard to say since none of us have seen the texts that are (apparently) the issue, or heard the verbiage that is (apparently) the issue.

 

I know Yori's former players came out in support of her just like Revelle's are, and Yori still left.

Agreed and I obviously have no proof of it. I was told this story at least a couple of years ago before this news even broke. If they have received numerous complaints year after year at a minimum Revelle needs to make some sort of change if she is retained. 

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20 minutes ago, Xmas32 said:

you just can't coach kids the same way as was done in the 80s/90s/00s. 

 

So true! Back in the 80s and 90s a coach couldn't text their players at all hours of the night and expect a prompt response, they had to save their berating for when the player was actually at practice or on the field!

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2 hours ago, SUHperman said:

I am not at all surprised by this. Knew a girl, who was a starter and all big ten, on the team just a few years back and Revelle made her HATE softball. She would text at all hours of the night just berating players. This girl said one night Revelle was not happy with her play and she texted her non stop throughout an entire night and she was not able to sleep as you were expected to respond promptly. From everything I have personally been told she is a psycho. 

 

2 hours ago, knapplc said:

The question is, is this an example of Revelle being psycho or of the play being overly sensitive?

I've known a couple players on the team and they would support what @SUHperman is saying.  One of the dad's is a good friend of mine.  He played college sports and is NOT a parent that typically complains about the coach.  He has flat out said she's a psycho.  

 

I'm not surprised at this one bit.

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I also know several former players (all Big Ten, now pro players, have moved on to coaching) who say they owe their careers to her. 

 

I’m not trying to discount posts above me saying the opposite. But I think it’s unfair to act as if your thoughts are fact because you know someone. I do as well. I don’t know Coach Revelle, though. You don’t, either. So why don’t we let it shake out? We can talk about it all day. But the caveat is we’re doing just that - it’s conjecture right now. 

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If the stories above are true, then the issue might be exacerbated by the relative lack of success in the past few years. So those people whom were coached by her during the super regional/wcws experienced a different level of the “coaching” described. 

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1 hour ago, Toe said:

 

So true! Back in the 80s and 90s a coach couldn't text their players at all hours of the night and expect a prompt response, they had to save their berating for when the player was actually at practice or on the field!

Exactly!

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6 minutes ago, whateveritis1224 said:

If the stories above are true, then the issue might be exacerbated by the relative lack of success in the past few years. So those people whom were coached by her during the super regional/wcws experienced a different level of the “coaching” described. 

I agree with this.  Winning goes a long way to hiding other issues.  Like noted above with coaches like Saban.  Urbs is another one that comes to mind.  People pretty much don't give a damn about your demeanor and character if you're winning.

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14 minutes ago, IHateBobCostas said:

I also know several former players (all Big Ten, now pro players, have moved on to coaching) who say they owe their careers to her. 

 

I’m not trying to discount posts above me saying the opposite. But I think it’s unfair to act as if your thoughts are fact because you know someone. I do as well. I don’t know Coach Revelle, though. You don’t, either. So why don’t we let it shake out? We can talk about it all day. But the caveat is we’re doing just that - it’s conjecture right now. 

 

I am.  I'm simply saying that, from what I know, this is not a surprise.  The AD will do whatever he needs to do.  I really don't care either way.

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Yea this stuff happens. Many times girl athletes that I have known for some reason hate their coaches. Also, many have loved and adored their coaches as well. That may or may not be the case here, but a couple of players bad experiences aren't always true or can be misconstrued. However, I don't know what is going on so I will let it play out. Sometimes players can get frustrated and lay the blame elsewhere, I have seen it, and it could be a couple of players in this case. I have seen a couple of accusations against coaches before and they stayed because they were innocent and stuff like this was said but must have not been true. However, this may not be the case and Rovelle could totally be at fault. 

 

Anyway, she could absolutely be at fault here and I will stand behind whatever the administration wants to do. All I know is this should have nothing to do with the record and only to do with the mistreatment of players. 

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I am going to let you all in on a secret.  

 

All you have heard is true.  Both sides.  There are players that hate her and think she is crazy and...wait for it...there are players that love her and owe her everything.  Just like with every single coach, teacher, parent, boss, mentor, friend, brother, sister and so on.

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Maybe she's descended into worse behavior coinciding with the last few years of poor play? A lot of people become different people when things aren't going their way; it's easier to exhibit good character when you're winning. 

 

As far as testimony of other coaches, that couldn't matter any less imo. I don't see any reason why any of them would know her well enough to be able to say. 

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26 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Maybe she's descended into worse behavior coinciding with the last few years of poor play? A lot of people become different people when things aren't going their way; it's easier to exhibit good character when you're winning. 

 

As far as testimony of other coaches, that couldn't matter any less imo. I don't see any reason why any of them would know her well enough to be able to say. 

Coaches will almost always stick up for each other...they are coaching...something that most people do for free or for about 5k a season...college coaches are making 6 figures minimum (for the most part) they are not likely to do anything but support each other...never know when you will need a new job!

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Even if she was wonderful to 99% of her players 100% of the time, being abusive to 1% of them isn't okay.

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34 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Maybe she's descended into worse behavior coinciding with the last few years of poor play? A lot of people become different people when things aren't going their way; it's easier to exhibit good character when you're winning. 

 

As far as testimony of other coaches, that couldn't matter any less imo. I don't see any reason why any of them would know her well enough to be able to say. 

 

I'm guess your first sentence is part of it.  But it also wouldn't surprise me a bit if everyone was simply more accepting of it when things were going well.

 

And I definitely agree with your second paragraph.

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16 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

Even if she was wonderful to 99% of her players 100% of the time, being abusive to 1% of them isn't okay.

Sure but that depends on the "abuse"

 

If she yells at a player "You are being a soft a$$ player, get your a$$ out there and hustle when you are running to first!!!!"

 

Is that abuse?

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5 hours ago, teachercd said:

Sure but that depends on the "abuse"

 

If she yells at a player "You are being a soft a$$ player, get your a$$ out there and hustle when you are running to first!!!!"

 

Is that abuse?

 

 

Obviously it depends on whether it was actual abuse. And no that isn’t an example of it. Texting someone every 30 mins from 11pm to 7am might be if the player thinks they’ll get in trouble if they don’t respond. But if that was a one time thing it’s not enough to get fired for.

 

I had a softball coach when I was around 11 or 12 who yelled a lot but I thought it was ok. I had a coach who screamed at his daughter way worse than anyone else and it wasn't okay. Actually, one time he screamed at her for yelling at me. I also saw him screaming at her in her house once, in front of a bunch of her friends. Later on he disowned her for having a kid out of wedlock. Not sure if I have any point to any of that.

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8 hours ago, teachercd said:

I am going to let you all in on a secret.  

 

All you have heard is true.  Both sides.  There are players that hate her and think she is crazy and...wait for it...there are players that love her and owe her everything.  Just like with every single coach, teacher, parent, boss, mentor, friend, brother, sister and so on.

 

I was going to say about the same thing. Coaches and teachers do not always treat everyone the same. It is not surprising some think she is great and others think she is a psycho. She is likely both persons but if the psycho stories turnout to be true, a like number of positive reviews won’t save her, especially when factoring in some mediocre team results. Her supporters can blame the climate of collegiate sports all they want but it doesn’t matter if you’re Riley nice or psycho Pelini if you aren’t performing at the desired level.

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12 hours ago, knapplc said:

It's hard to say since none of us have seen the texts that are (apparently) the issue, or heard the verbiage that is (apparently) the issue.

 

I know Yori's former players came out in support of her just like Revelle's are, and Yori still left.

Yori used players in custody case and them lie.   Not the same. 

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8 hours ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Yori used players in custody case and them lie.   Not the same.  

 

Whoa! This is the first time I'm hearing that.

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

Whoa! This is the first time I'm hearing that.

 

From the Yori thread.  The first few items are basically carbon copied above.  But the last one is what you're looking for.

 

On 4/5/2016 at 11:42 AM, Mavric said:
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Nebraska women’s basketball coach Connie Yori has resigned after a two-month long investigation by the Nebraska athletic department into allegations Yori mistreated players and fostered a negative, dysfunctional culture, multiple sources confirmed to the Journal Star.

 
Nebraska athletic director Shawn Eichorst, in a statement to the Journal Star on Tuesday, confirmed Yori is no longer Nebraska’s coach, ending her 14-year tenure as the most successful coach in program history.
 
A source with knowledge of the situation, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Journal Star more than 10 players from the 2015-16 team, along with some support staff members, approached Nebraska athletic department administrators in early February with concerns about Yori’s treatment of players.
 
The athletic department immediately addressed those concerns and began an extensive investigation and review that included having an administrator present at every practice.
 
"We are aware of allegations involving our women’s basketball program and since it is an employee personnel matter and involves our student’s privacy, we cannot provide details," Eichorst told the Journal Star in an exclusive.

 

On 4/5/2016 at 12:45 PM, Mavric said:

 

I'm guessing it wasn't voluntary but ....

 

 

 

On 4/5/2016 at 1:43 PM, Mavric said:

 

 

On 4/5/2016 at 9:44 PM, Mavric said:

 

LJS

 

On 4/6/2016 at 8:33 AM, Bowfin said:

KFAB /Lincoln Journal Star said Yori was asking staff to lie about her whereabouts in order to make her look better in her custody battle for her son.

 

By any standards, that would do her in...

 

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The last one says she asked staff to lie, not students.  I searched through all the links just now, I didn't see anything about asking students to lie.

 

 

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

The last one says she asked staff to lie, not students.  I searched through all the links just now, I didn't see anything about asking students to lie.

 

Ah, I see what you're saying now. 

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