The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

[BigRedBuster]

 

[Archy1221]

This study from someone associated with Johns Hopkins is saying no increase in overall deaths in the US this year.  
 

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

[DevoHusker]

9 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

This study from someone associated with Johns Hopkins is saying no increase in overall deaths in the US this year.  
 

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Interesting. I hope others will proof her research and offer conclusions. 

[Moiraine]

1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

This study from someone associated with Johns Hopkins is saying no increase in overall deaths in the US this year.  
 

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

 

56 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

Interesting. I hope others will proof her research and offer conclusions. 

 

 

 

This is from a student newspaper, and the author looked at deaths since February 1, not the beginning of the year.

 

 

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 (cdc.gov)

 

 

 

Also, the use of way back machine should have hit you over the head immediately and told you to research further. I went to the actual link.

 

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Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). 

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers. 

[DevoHusker]

28 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

 

 

This is from a student newspaper, and the author looked at deaths since February 1, not the beginning of the year.

 

 

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 (cdc.gov)

 

 

 

Also, the use of way back machine should have hit you over the head immediately and told you to research further. I went to the actual link.

 

Thanks for the research 

[DevoHusker]

hmmm, wonder what is on tap for New York?

 

 

 

[teachercd]

14 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

hmmm, wonder what is on tap for New York?

 

 

 

Lock down again?

[jaws]

14 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

hmmm, wonder what is on tap for New York?

 

 

 

 

Whatever it is, I am sure it will be met with complaining and grumbling. We see it all the time in Ohio. It is like people don't understand the times we are living in or they just have a short attention span. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 11/23/2020 at 8:06 AM, Archy1221 said:

I think the real issue is that Gov Hogan could have had 5 billion tests available and it wouldn’t have mattered.   The capacity to process those tests wasn’t there yet, and that was the main issue.

 

testing wasn’t fabulous in the beginning. Processing capacity wasn’t fabulous in the beginning.  Doctors treating patients in the beginning wasn’t fabulous.  It was a Novel Virus.  It takes time to develop.  
 

We have been near the top country of tests per 1,000 people since May and currently blow every other country out to the water in test per 1,000 people. 

 

So you're not going to apologize for using misleading memes to avoid inconvenient evidence? 

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 11/25/2020 at 5:49 AM, teachercd said:

So real people have a hard time getting bennies but fake people get them with ease.  Well done Cali.

 

In fairness, corporations from a wide variety of states gamed COVID stimulus benefits to divert funds meant for small business. The Pentagon, too.  

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/22/covid-funds-pentagon/

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 11/27/2020 at 7:37 PM, Archy1221 said:

This study from someone associated with Johns Hopkins is saying no increase in overall deaths in the US this year.  
 

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

 

Genevieve Brand is definitely associated with Johns Hopkins, but I immediately found it odd that this bombshell was printed in a student newspaper and not cited elsewhere. Turns out, of course that many others associated with Johns Hopkins discredited her sketchy analytical technique and extrapolations. Even a layperson might have noted she misidentified the three leading causes of death in the U.S. in order to make her point.

 

But I guess as a warrior against Groupthink, Brand will have her research heavily distributed and endorsed by folks like you who engage in the conservative version of Groupthink, which never, ever ever requires peer review, or even a :30 Google search. 

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Genevieve Brand is definitely associated with Johns Hopkins, but I immediately found it odd that this bombshell was printed in a student newspaper and not cited elsewhere. Turns out, of course that many others associated with Johns Hopkins discredited her sketchy analytical technique and extrapolations. Even a layperson might have noted she misidentified the three leading causes of death in the U.S. in order to make her point.

 

But I guess as a warrior against Groupthink, Brand will have her research heavily distributed and endorsed by folks like you who engage in the conservative version of Groupthink, which never, ever ever requires peer review, or even a :30 Google search. 

Hey Guy, hope you are well.  I never endorsed her research.  I Simply posted an article pretty much without comment.  I only gave a 1 sentence headline of what the article was saying. 
 

anyways, enjoy your week. 

[Archy1221]

2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

So you're not going to apologize for using misleading memes to avoid inconvenient evidence? 

Many memes people post are meant to be funny, but if you have something specific in mind please let me know. Enlighten me

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 11/22/2020 at 3:42 PM, Archy1221 said:

 

Well this is just one of the not funny ones, Archy. I also found the one about Illinois strange. The media hasn't ignored the surge in Illinois and other midwestern states this fall.  Florida was news when it was leading the summer surge with Texas and Arizona. New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, and Illinois got most of the press in the first surge. 

 

It's almost like when people yell "Chicago!" when they want to ignore a racial incident. 

[Archy1221]

24 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Well this is just one of the not funny ones, Archy. I also found the one about Illinois strange. The media hasn't ignored the surge in Illinois and other midwestern states this fall.  Florida was news when it was leading the summer surge with Texas and Arizona. New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, and Illinois got most of the press in the first surge. 

 

It's almost like when people yell "Chicago!" when they want to ignore a racial incident. 

And what is incorrect here? 

24 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Well this is just one of the not funny ones, Archy. I also found the one about Illinois strange. The media hasn't ignored the surge in Illinois and other midwestern states this fall.  Florida was news when it was leading the summer surge with Texas and Arizona. New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, and Illinois got most of the press in the first surge. 

 

It's almost like when people yell "Chicago!" when they want to ignore a racial incident. 

And that’s not a meme.  It’s a screen shot of a WAPO headline