The 2024 Presidential Election- The LONG General Election

[TGHusker]

Straight forward Chris Christie interview.  Nice to hear clarity in the midst of cultism and its numerous lies and distortions.  

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/chris-christie-i-don’t-concern-myself-with-polls/vi-AA1gvMG8?ocid=entnewsntp&t=490

 

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

53 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

CHIPS and infrastructure should be good.   Let’s make sure the current admin doesn’t f#&% it up like most things it’s done.  

I don't even know what this means. But my vote did help lead to this which shows domestic investment into American manufacturing:

 

59 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Ummmm one would hope that’s at least the minimum standard.    One would think you understand the country is growing which means energy use growing which means energy demand is growing sooooo ya production would need to kinda grow too.   

Well a lot of energy production depends on economic growth - economic sectors use more energy than individuals do at their houses. So population growth by itself doesn't require that much energy unless an economy is there to employ them. Luckily the economy is booming. Leading the Department of Energy to declare below, you are welcome:

Quote

"...we forecast that crude oil production in the United States will average 12.4 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2023 and 12.8 million b/d in 2024, surpassing the previous record of 12.3 million b/d in 2019"

The same is true for energy sources like Wind, Solar and Natural Gas.

1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

President Peters has one of the lowest economic poll ratings in decades.  Inflation is a disaster, people lost $10,000 in purchasing power during this administration disaster.   

Fortunately Democrats don't make economic policy based on vibes or polls. So while political tribalism causes Republican voters like yourself to report that the sky is falling - there is no penetrating the alternative reality you live in - actual data shows remarkable economic resilience. Unemployment continues to hover at a multi-decade low and inflation is the lowest in the world. But there is no making the conservative mind happy. Newsflash - inflation was going to happen whoever was President.

 

There are a lot more things my vote had done to help people. Lowering drug costs, lowering student loan payments, lowering the amount government pays for drugs, etc.

 

Let's check in on what your vote accomplished:

 

 

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

 

Well a lot of energy production depends on economic growth - economic sectors use more energy than individuals do at their houses. So population growth by itself doesn't require that much energy unless an economy is there to employ them. Luckily the economy is booming. Leading the Department of Energy to declare below, you are welcome:

So Trump admin increased TBD by over 2.5 million (with an artificially low end of term production due to Covid) and Biden has increased it by .5 million barrels a day in four years.  And you think that’s a flex of some sort?!?  Ok….yeah us I guess. 

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

So while political tribalism causes Republican voters like yourself to report that the sky is falling

Only 29% of my the voting population is registered Republican  You may want to double check that approval/disapproval rating.  

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

There are a lot more things my vote had done to help people

Like usher in an era where purchasing power dropped by $10,000.   Yeeeaahhhh you!  #keepvoting. 
 

1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Lowering drug costs

Ohhhh

 

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2022-10-03-hhs-reports-surge-drug-prices-over-past-year

 

Hey, your vote did at least skyrocket premiums for health insurance.   So you got that going for ya.   Congrats. 

1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

lowering student loan payments,

Lowering the amount people were obligated to pay because they were clueless about taking out loans??  Cool.   What’s next, lowering the car payment on the $100,000 truck someone couldn’t afford?   Awesome.   
 

Thanks for the additional $2 trillion in yearly added debt during non Covid non war years.   That’s awesome!!

[TGHusker]

Biden, Trump and DeSantis all losing support in this latest Iowa poll.  

 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4199352-trump-biden-both-tumble-in-iowa-poll/

 

Meanwhile  Mega Donors are looking for a trump alternative - article copied in part below.  

Perhaps Virginia’s governor Glenn Youngkin becomes the white knight to rescue the party??

 

 

Quote

 

Billionaire Republican donor Thomas Peterffy wants to bet on someone he thinks can win the White House in 2024. But this year, he gave $2mn to a political action committee supporting Virginia’s governor Glenn Youngkin — who is not running for president. Like other Republican megadonors, Peterffy fears frontrunner Donald Trump would lose in another run-off with Joe Biden. He does not love the former president’s primary rivals either. He told his friends not to back any other candidates until January, by which time he hopes the Virginia governor has changed his mind. “We’re hoping for Glenn Youngkin,” Peterffy, who founded Interactive Brokers, told the Financial Times. The yearning for Youngkin is a sign of the donor dilemma: for some deep-pocketed Republicans, no single, compelling alternative to Trump has emerged in the primary. And while the billionaires want to see such a candidate break from the pack before giving, the candidates need the money first to help them make that break. “Is Trump beatable? Yes, but the first step is the field consolidating,” said an adviser to one donor. “Without consolidation, there’s not a viable path.” Several big GOP donors — from billionaire hedge fund bosses such as Paul Singer and Ken Griffin, to Miriam Adelson, the wife of the late casino emperor Sheldon Adelson — are now on the sidelines. Peter Thiel, who gave $35mn to two Senate candidates in 2022, “does not plan to donate to any 2024 race”, said a person familiar with his thinking.  Traditional conservatives in the party are urging both donors and contenders to face reality before it is too late, fearing that the hesitancy could help pave the way for Trump to win the nomination. Utah senator Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, has said donors must push underperforming contenders out of the race by late February, but has been discouraged by donors’ reaction. “They all think it should be someone else’s candidate that makes that decision,” Romney told the FT. “Some candidates ought to be able to see the writing on the wall at this point.” Romney’s call comes at a crucial period for the anti-Trump wing of the party, with the second Republican primary debate scheduled for September 27, and a deadline for donors to file their contributions with federal authorities at the end of the month.

None of the alternatives to Trump has made much of a dent on the former president’s lead, despite the criminal charges against him, including those related to his effort to subvert the 2020 election he lost. “I just refuse to believe that Donald Trump is our inevitable nominee,” said Bobbie Kilberg, a Republican donor supporting former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, one of the few GOP candidates who has said he would not support Trump as the party’s nominee if he were convicted of a crime. Trump presents “a clear and present danger to the rule of law and to the future of our democracy”, Kilberg said. But like other contenders, Christie has struggled to break out from a pool of six serious candidates vying to catch Trump, who leads polling in Iowa and New Hampshire, the first two primary contests, by well over 20 points, according to Real Clear Politics’ polling averages. “I don’t know who I would vote for right now,” Chris Sununu, governor of New Hampshire, told the FT. Florida governor Ron DeSantis was “probably the number two” in New Hampshire, but he could still be “overtaken” by up to five candidates, Sununu said. 

 

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

20 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Like usher in an era where purchasing power dropped by $10,000.   Yeeeaahhhh you!  #keepvoting. 

Like, do you really believe that a Republican President would've led a world where inflation stays at 2.5%? Or that the rest of the world would have 9% inflation but the U.S. would have 2.5%? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. I know You have to fall back on some Fox News talking points, but I'm really curious on how you actually think the inflation situation would be different? Is "best in the developed world" somehow not enough for voters like you? 

 

20 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

 

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2022-10-03-hhs-reports-surge-drug-prices-over-past-year

 

Hey, your vote did at least skyrocket premiums for health insurance.   So you got that going for ya.   Congrats. 

Yes, the demographics of the country - which are getting older - lead to higher Healthcare costs. Efforts for the government to save money by negotiating drug prices will help, but it's a small step towards a larger crisis. Unfortunately the only real way to cut down on healthcare costs would be to join the rest of the world - implementing single payer Healthcare. It's proven so save money and offers high quality care. Unfortunately one political party does not support this so costs will keep surging no matter who his President. 

 

20 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Lowering the amount people were obligated to pay because they were clueless about taking out loans??  Cool.   What’s next, lowering the car payment on the $100,000 truck someone couldn’t afford?   Awesome.   
 

Thanks for the additional $2 trillion in yearly added debt during non Covid non war years.   That’s awesome!!

The primary difference being that the moron who got the truck can declare bankruptcy if their income situation deteriorates. I do apologize, I forget that adding to the debt is bad unless it's due to extremely regressive tax cuts for the wealthy. I'm sure the next Republican you vote for - assuming that this time they aren't criminally investigated for numerous felonies - will go back to those. 

 

By the way, if you have a diabetic relative or friend who's paying $25 bucks for their insulin, send me their Venmo. As a "you're welcome" the next one is on me! Heck, if they're on private insurance and need insulin, send me their Venmo anyway. I'll still send them $25 bucks to help cover some of the cost as an "I'm sorry but I tried", since Republicans kind of ruined that for everybody.

[Archy1221]

19 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

On 9/11/2023 at 6:00 PM, Archy1221 said:

 

Like, do you really believe that a Republican President would've led a world where inflation stays at 2.5%? Or that the rest of the world would have 9% inflation but the U.S. would have 2.5%? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. I know You have to fall back on some Fox News talking points, but I'm really curious on how you actually think the inflation situation would be different? Is "best in the developed world" somehow not enough for voters like you?

I don’t believe these companies to be “Fox News talking points” but you might learn some cool points on why inflation is different in the two areas you like to cite, US and Europe.  
 

https://www.americancentury.com/insights/us-europe-a-tale-of-two-inflations/#

 

https://www.employamerica.org/researchreports/crosscountry-inflation/amp/
 

 

[TGHusker]

I agree. Biden should not run in 2024.  He is one fall, one irrecoverable gaff from crowning Trump as president again (assumption that the GOP continues in their cultishness).  As the article says - Biden biggest accomplishment was kicking Trump out of the WH.  His next biggest accomplishment would be to keep him out of the white house again by not running and allowing the Dems to select a more 'secure' candidate.  Besides, the GOP is hell bent on making impeachment an issue for the next year. 

 

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/and-so-it-begins-washington-posts-david-ignatius-calls-on-joe-biden-to-not-run-in-2024/

 

 

Quote

 

White House staffers may very well be saying out loud, “Et tu, David Ignatius?” after the Washington Post columnist openly called for President Joe Biden not to run for reelection in 2024 in a Wednesday morning column.

There can be no question about the intent of his opinion, as it is clearly titled “President Biden should not run again in 2024,” but opens with a laundry list of Biden’s accomplishments and successes in his first term. Perhaps most damning is the nuanced and nearly loving tone Ignatius takes, almost as if he’s a loving son giving tough news to a cherished parent that they are no longer able to drive a car.

But that’s clearly an encouraging setup to soften the “painful” blow in which he makes clear that Biden, AND notably, Vice President Kamala Harris, should not run for reelection. The money part of his column:

 

 

Quote from the OPED:

Quote

 

But I don’t think Biden and Vice President Harris should run for reelection. It’s painful to say that, given my admiration for much of what they have accomplished. But if he and Harris campaign together in 2024, I think Biden risks undoing his greatest achievement — which was stopping Trump.

Biden wrote his political testament in his inaugural address: “When our days are through, our children and our children’s children will say of us: They gave their best, they did their duty, they healed a broken land.” Mr. President, maybe this is that moment when duty has been served.

Biden would carry two big liabilities into a 2024 campaign. He would be 82 when he began a second term. According to a recent Associated Press-NORC poll, 77 percent of the public, including 69 percent of Democrats, think he’s too old to be effective for four more years. Biden’s age isn’t just a Fox News trope; it’s been the subject of dinner-table conversations across America this summer.

 

 

Quote

 

Ignatius explains why he is also cool on Vice President Harris, citing recent polling that shows her “less popular than Biden,” adding, “Harris has many laudable qualities, but the simple fact is that she has failed to gain traction in the country or even within her own party.”

In his piece, Ignatius suggests strategies for moving forward within the Democratic party in a solution-oriented piece that, given Ignatius’s enormous respect and standing within the established political media ecosystem, will be difficult for the White House and Democratic leaders to ignore.

Ignatius checks many boxes when it comes to left-of-center bona fides: Washington Post contributor? Check. Morning Joe contributor? Aye. Born near the green grasses of Harvard University? Yup.

 

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 9/11/2023 at 3:14 PM, Archy1221 said:

So Trump admin increased TBD by over 2.5 million (with an artificially low end of term production due to Covid) and Biden has increased it by .5 million barrels a day in four years.  And you think that’s a flex of some sort?!?  Ok….yeah us I guess. 

 

And yet there's no doubt Republicans would be hailing virtually all Biden's numbers had they occurred during a Trump second term. You know that. 

[Scarlet]

The Stubby Guy should probably just wrap it up and call it a day.  His next step will be to knob his mentor to be his running mate

 

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

2 hours ago, TGHusker said:

I agree. Biden should not run in 2024.  He is one fall, one irrecoverable gaff from crowning Trump as president again (assumption that the GOP continues in their cultishness).  As the article says - Biden biggest accomplishment was kicking Trump out of the WH.  His next biggest accomplishment would be to keep him out of the white house again by not running and allowing the Dems to select a more 'secure' candidate.  Besides, the GOP is hell bent on making impeachment an issue for the next year. 

 

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/and-so-it-begins-washington-posts-david-ignatius-calls-on-joe-biden-to-not-run-in-2024/

 

 

 

Quote from the OPED:

 

 

I get the issue with his age, but the reality is that Biden running gives Democrats the best chance to win. If Democrats change candidates they go from being slight favorites to win to big underdogs. 

 

The incumbency advantage is very real in elections. It's why Presidents almost always win a second term. 

 

The sooner voters accept this the better. Switching to a new candidate would be an absolute disaster.

[Dr. Strangelove]

3 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I don’t believe these companies to be “Fox News talking points” but you might learn some cool points on why inflation is different in the two areas you like to cite, US and Europe.  
 

https://www.americancentury.com/insights/us-europe-a-tale-of-two-inflations/#

 

https://www.employamerica.org/researchreports/crosscountry-inflation/amp/
 

 

I'm aware of why inflation is different for different areas of the world. 

 

What I asked you was: do you think that America would've not been impacted by inflation while EVERYWHERE else was impacted by inflation?

 

I understand that reading the hundreds of pages of criminal indictments against the guy you twice voted for in Trump and his band of treasonous Republican co-conspirators is taking up a lot of your time, so I don't expect a full answer.

[TGHusker]

52 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

I get the issue with his age, but the reality is that Biden running gives Democrats the best chance to win. If Democrats change candidates they go from being slight favorites to win to big underdogs. 

 

The incumbency advantage is very real in elections. It's why Presidents almost always win a second term. 

 

The sooner voters accept this the better. Switching to a new candidate would be an absolute disaster.

I get your point and agree but it doesn't always work  - Jimmy Carter was an incumbent but perhaps Ted Kennedy might have been a better option for the Dems back then - but whoever it was - they were going to lose to the Reagan tidal wave.  GHWB was an incumbent - but people may have been getting tired of 12 years of Reaganism.  There is no such tidal wave forming this time around.  I would think the Dems have  someone on their bench who can step up to the plate and pinch hit and do better.  Calf Gov Newsom is trying to hint himself into the race but there are other qualified governors as well.  

[Archy1221]

3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

And yet there's no doubt Republicans would be hailing virtually all Biden's numbers had they occurred during a Trump second term. You know that. 

Why would they hail them?   It’s hardly an increase in production after 3 yrs. You know that