Biden's America

[Loebarth]

You are blinded by your motive and unwilling to accept a truth.. sure he destroyed pictures... now please answer me this mr. democrat sympathist... why isn't Hillary Clinton in JAIL??? She did the same... She Destroyed Evidence and yet you will stand at a podium and scream about justice and how it's not blind all while keeping a blind eye when true justice stands firmly against your political beliefs. You're blinded by this narrative of fairness you have even when you know it's far from fair. I'm done posting with this rant and pissing contest. I know an unfair justice system when I see it. Believe what you must. Let the Blind lead the Blind. 

[ZRod]

28 minutes ago, Loebarth said:

You are blinded by your motive and unwilling to accept a truth.. sure he destroyed pictures... now please answer me this mr. democrat sympathist... why isn't Hillary Clinton in JAIL??? She did the same... She Destroyed Evidence and yet you will stand at a podium and scream about justice and how it's not blind all while keeping a blind eye when true justice stands firmly against your political beliefs. You're blinded by this narrative of fairness you have even when you know it's far from fair. I'm done posting with this rant and pissing contest. I know an unfair justice system when I see it. Believe what you must. Let the Blind lead the Blind. 

Read your own article.

 

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Saucier’s lawyers also said two other Alexandria crew members were caught taking photos in the same locations as Saucier, but were not prosecuted, only disciplined by the Navy.

 

[Archy1221]

2 hours ago, Loebarth said:

Give it a break ZRod... you're so blinded by your politics... Hilary destroyed phones, computers and servers... yet you want to incarcerate a low level sailor for taking photos of his work station... smh 

 

 

He also doesn’t want to admit that the sailor was never charged with obstruction of Justice or destroying evidence according the article.  

[Born N Bled Red]

On 2/13/2024 at 5:47 PM, Danny Bateman said:

 

In addition to actual horserace polls, I've in particular given up on opinion polling like this in our current era.

 

The typical American voter is either too disconnected from day to day politics stuff or just generally too damn stupid to accurately decipher what is really going on.

 

Think about who they poll. They are the incredibly elderly who are just excited to get a phone call so they can talk to someone or deadbeat moochers that don't work.

 

No one below a certain age answers phone calls from numbers they don't know, and most people have to work for a living and can't be home to answer a poll. 

 

This is why polls are a waste of time, or at best to be taken as a grain of.salt anymore. No sample is reprentative of the electorate as a whole.

[Guy Chamberlin]

6 hours ago, Loebarth said:

You are so wrong in "every" conceptional reasoning you put forth. The law was clearly broken and in Biden's case the documents were stored in a garage of all places. The two tier justice system is alive and well regardless of the media talking points and protectors of the Democrat agendas. Another HUGE example is the Hillary Clinton server that was unsecured and storing thousands of documents. Documents that cost lives mind you when individuals we placed in official position of rival governments. (Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Algeria, and who knows where it ended).. Yet the media and the hardline democrats said nothing, did nothing and turned a blind eye.

 

 

Well technically the media did not "say nothing" about the investigation into Hillary Clinton's server, as it became a huge story that came out 10 days before the election and immediately tanked her poll numbers, which was also a big story covered by everybody. 

 

Funny story: once America's intolerance for private email servers had been established, it came out that multiple Republican politicians and cabinet members, including Mike Pence, used private email servers, too. 

 

Also, Tulsi Gabbard isn't "left" 

[Guy Chamberlin]

14 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Think about who they poll. They are the incredibly elderly who are just excited to get a phone call so they can talk to someone or deadbeat moochers that don't work.

 

No one below a certain age answers phone calls from numbers they don't know, and most people have to work for a living and can't be home to answer a poll. 

 

This is why polls are a waste of time, or at best to be taken as a grain of.salt anymore. No sample is reprentative of the electorate as a whole.

 

I remember doing consumer focus groups. They were comprised of people who could really use the $50, led by people who liked to here themselves talk. We'd compile all their feedback and if the client didn't like it we'd ignore it. 

 

I don't know if I'd bet my life on political polls, but I do think they get you to that 5-10% margin of error, and can't be ignored entirely. 

[Loebarth]

24 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Well technically the media did not "say nothing" about the investigation into Hillary Clinton's server, as it became a huge story that came out 10 days before the election and immediately tanked her poll numbers, which was also a big story covered by everybody. 

 

Funny story: once America's intolerance for private email servers had been established, it came out that multiple Republican politicians and cabinet members, including Mike Pence, used private email servers, too. 

 

Also, Tulsi Gabbard isn't "left" 

Funny Story, Tulsi Gabbard ran on the Democratic Ticket as a Presidential Nomination

Also, Mike Pence and other Republicans weren't the acting Secretary Of State (a position that has the highest security clearance in all of Government, yes higher than the president) Funny how all partys dodge truth for the purpose of party positioning. Republicans stand against abortion but are pro capital punishment. Dems are pro abortion but anti capital punishment. Both result in death of an individual and that's factual. I'm anti-abortion and anti-capital punishment. Those two agenda's are reasons I am independent. (Can't Server 2 masters)

[Guy Chamberlin]

11 hours ago, Loebarth said:

Funny Story, Tulsi Gabbard ran on the Democratic Ticket as a Presidential Nomination

Also, Mike Pence and other Republicans weren't the acting Secretary Of State (a position that has the highest security clearance in all of Government, yes higher than the president) Funny how all partys dodge truth for the purpose of party positioning. Republicans stand against abortion but are pro capital punishment. Dems are pro abortion but anti capital punishment. Both result in death of an individual and that's factual. I'm anti-abortion and anti-capital punishment. Those two agenda's are reasons I am independent. (Can't Server 2 masters)

 

Agree that Tulsi and Rand Paul are outliers in their own parties, although Paul has increasingly abandoned his Libertarian leanings to become a staunch party loyalist and apologist, and Gabbard's curious campaign was largely infused by Republicans looking to make her the spoiler, perhaps the least-Left Democrat.  

 

I appreciate your position as an independent, but most of my post was about your claim that the media "said nothing, did nothing, and turned a blind eye" to Hillary's emails when in fact it said enough to cost her the Presidency. 

 

Whataboutism may be a fool's errand, but if you're looking at false equivalencies, where would Hillary Clinton's private email server fall in the list of Donald Trump abuses, including the period when he actually was the most powerful man in the world? 

[Guy Chamberlin]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/21/their-emails-seven-members-trumps-team-have-used-unofficial-communications-tools/

 

But their emails: Seven members of Trump’s team have used unofficial communication tools

President Trump’s objections to Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server when she was secretary of state were never terribly convincing. He didn’t always seem to understand what she had done, and made claims about how she had deleted emails or wiped her server that suggested, at least, a lack of familiarity with technical details. At times, he claimed that Clinton, his Democratic presidential challenger in 2016, had tried to shield unethical activity by using a personal account. At others, he specifically criticized her for having shared classified material through her personal account.

 

Generally, though, Trump seemed to understand that nearly any sentence that included “Hillary’s emails” or “Hillary’s illegal server” had the same positive effect on his supporters as any other. It became a shorthand for all of the corruption he and his base saw in his rival’s candidacy.

 

If Trump’s broad criticism was true, that the use of a private account to conduct official business is suspect — if not illegal — and represents an effort to mask illicit activity, then we have bad news for him: An awful lot of that same suspect activity is taking place in his administration.

 

Trump demanded top-secret security clearance for Jared Kushner last year despite concerns of John Kelly and intelligence officials

 

On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and daughter Ivanka Trump, both advisers to the president, had used either personal email accounts or the messaging application WhatsApp to conduct official business, according to information from the House Oversight Committee. The latter is particularly problematic because messages are encrypted between users, meaning that unless Kushner and Ivanka Trump stored copies of their messages or the recipients turned the messages over to the government, there’s no way to record what was said.

 

Kushner’s lawyer told House investigators that Kushner “took images of his communications” on a WhatsApp account, then forwarded them to official accounts. Asked whether Kushner had shared classified information over the app, the attorney replied, “That’s above my pay grade.” according to the Journal report.

Imagine Clinton’s attorney having offered that excuse in July 2016.

It wasn’t just Kushner and Ivanka Trump. The committee learned that former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon had also, at times, used personal email accounts for official business. Some of those communications, the Journal reports, dealt with a proposal to send nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. McFarland’s account was through AOL, according to the New York Times.

 

And these are only the most recent examples. In 2017, the Times reported that other Trump administration officials, including adviser Stephen Miller, former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former National Economic Council director Gary Cohn had all used personal email accounts to conduct official business.

 

That’s seven officials, past and present, who used personal email accounts: Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Miller, Cohn, Bannon, McFarland and Priebus.

 

That by itself isn’t illegal, as long as the records are preserved in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. According to House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), Ivanka Trump, at least, may not have been properly preserving all of her records.

 

The president has had his own issues with using government-preferred communication channels. In May, Politico reported that Trump wasn’t adhering to policies that mandated he swap out his cellphones with regularity, putting his communication at risk. Had Trump shared classified information over his cellphone that might have been intercepted by foreign powers? Well, in May 2017, he shared classified information directly with senior Russian officials in the Oval Office, so it certainly seems possible.

 

It’s important to remember that much of Trump’s criticism of Clinton’s use of a private server was overwrought and politically motivated. Just as much of Trump’s criticism of former president Barack Obama’s golfing was overwrought or much of Trump’s excoriation about the increase in the federal debt. As president, Trump has often not practiced what he preached on the campaign trail.

 

At times, in fact, it seems as though he’s practicing specifically what he preached against.

[BigRedBuster]

18 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/21/their-emails-seven-members-trumps-team-have-used-unofficial-communications-tools/

 

But their emails: Seven members of Trump’s team have used unofficial communication tools

President Trump’s objections to Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server when she was secretary of state were never terribly convincing. He didn’t always seem to understand what she had done, and made claims about how she had deleted emails or wiped her server that suggested, at least, a lack of familiarity with technical details. At times, he claimed that Clinton, his Democratic presidential challenger in 2016, had tried to shield unethical activity by using a personal account. At others, he specifically criticized her for having shared classified material through her personal account.

 

Generally, though, Trump seemed to understand that nearly any sentence that included “Hillary’s emails” or “Hillary’s illegal server” had the same positive effect on his supporters as any other. It became a shorthand for all of the corruption he and his base saw in his rival’s candidacy.

 

If Trump’s broad criticism was true, that the use of a private account to conduct official business is suspect — if not illegal — and represents an effort to mask illicit activity, then we have bad news for him: An awful lot of that same suspect activity is taking place in his administration.

 

Trump demanded top-secret security clearance for Jared Kushner last year despite concerns of John Kelly and intelligence officials

 

On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and daughter Ivanka Trump, both advisers to the president, had used either personal email accounts or the messaging application WhatsApp to conduct official business, according to information from the House Oversight Committee. The latter is particularly problematic because messages are encrypted between users, meaning that unless Kushner and Ivanka Trump stored copies of their messages or the recipients turned the messages over to the government, there’s no way to record what was said.

 

Kushner’s lawyer told House investigators that Kushner “took images of his communications” on a WhatsApp account, then forwarded them to official accounts. Asked whether Kushner had shared classified information over the app, the attorney replied, “That’s above my pay grade.” according to the Journal report.

Imagine Clinton’s attorney having offered that excuse in July 2016.

 

It wasn’t just Kushner and Ivanka Trump. The committee learned that former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland and former adviser Stephen K. Bannon had also, at times, used personal email accounts for official business. Some of those communications, the Journal reports, dealt with a proposal to send nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. McFarland’s account was through AOL, according to the New York Times.

 

And these are only the most recent examples. In 2017, the Times reported that other Trump administration officials, including adviser Stephen Miller, former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former National Economic Council director Gary Cohn had all used personal email accounts to conduct official business.

 

That’s seven officials, past and present, who used personal email accounts: Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Miller, Cohn, Bannon, McFarland and Priebus.

 

That by itself isn’t illegal, as long as the records are preserved in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. According to House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), Ivanka Trump, at least, may not have been properly preserving all of her records.

 

The president has had his own issues with using government-preferred communication channels. In May, Politico reported that Trump wasn’t adhering to policies that mandated he swap out his cellphones with regularity, putting his communication at risk. Had Trump shared classified information over his cellphone that might have been intercepted by foreign powers? Well, in May 2017, he shared classified information directly with senior Russian officials in the Oval Office, so it certainly seems possible.

 

It’s important to remember that much of Trump’s criticism of Clinton’s use of a private server was overwrought and politically motivated. Just as much of Trump’s criticism of former president Barack Obama’s golfing was overwrought or much of Trump’s excoriation about the increase in the federal debt. As president, Trump has often not practiced what he preached on the campaign trail.

 

At times, in fact, it seems as though he’s practicing specifically what he preached against.

The entire "BUT HER EMAILS" BS was just that....BS.  MAGA gets all wet about the entire thing....meanwhile......Trump in office....crickets.

[Decked]

5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

The entire "BUT HER EMAILS" BS was just that....BS.  MAGA gets all wet about the entire thing....meanwhile......Trump in office....crickets.

Both parties are a scam, yes. It’s all about who f#&%ed up last and trying to rub it in. Both sides are equally f#&%ed. 

[GSG]

33 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

 

I appreciate your position as an independent

 

He's about as independent as a conjoined twin

[Archy1221]

13 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Think about who they poll. They are the incredibly elderly who are just excited to get a phone call so they can talk to someone or deadbeat moochers that don't work.

Do you not understand the cross tabs are usually published on these polls 

[Guy Chamberlin]

27 minutes ago, GSG said:

 

He's about as independent as a conjoined twin

 

I must admit, I'm curious about the independent candidate some of these independent thinkers will be voting for. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

33 minutes ago, Decked said:

Both parties are a scam, yes. It’s all about who f#&%ed up last and trying to rub it in. Both sides are equally f#&%ed. 

 

Well one party conceded its election loss, attended its rival's inauguration, declined to support a violent insurrection backed by anti-democracy rigging, and refused to do Vladimir Putin's bidding.

 

The other did not. 

 

That's not an insignificant difference.