HuskerNationNick Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Leave it to Obama to turn Trayvon's case into another "gun violence" speech. Without guns, this is an assault case. Says who? This could have also been a murder case on Trayvon Martin, had Zimmerman not had a gun on him.I guess that would have been better, since it wasn't a black young kid being killed, rather it be an older Mexican guy though right? Had it been that way, we would have never heard of it. I guess I don't understand your point... your assuming it would be an assault case. 1 Link to comment
walksalone Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I think it boils down to this, some douchebag "wanna be" cop gets into it with an idiot "wanna be" thug, and two wrongs make a bigger wrong... Link to comment
Junior Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Leave it to Obama to turn Trayvon's case into another "gun violence" speech. Without guns, this is an assault case. Says who? This could have also been a murder case on Trayvon Martin, had Zimmerman not had a gun on him.I guess that would have been better, since it wasn't a black young kid being killed, rather it be an older Mexican guy though right? Had it been that way, we would have never heard of it. I guess I don't understand your point... your assuming it would be an assault case. It's possible, but seems unlikely that a 17 year old would kill a grown man with his bare hands before someone could stop them. Link to comment
Landlord Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 If there was no gun present that night, nobody gets killed. It's that simple. Link to comment
walksalone Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Leave it to Obama to turn Trayvon's case into another "gun violence" speech. Without guns, this is an assault case. Says who? This could have also been a murder case on Trayvon Martin, had Zimmerman not had a gun on him.I guess that would have been better, since it wasn't a black young kid being killed, rather it be an older Mexican guy though right? Had it been that way, we would have never heard of it. I guess I don't understand your point... your assuming it would be an assault case. It's possible, but seems unlikely that a 17 year old would kill a grown man with his bare hands before someone could stop them. You'd be surprised... my son at 17 was 6'3, 235lbs, and pretty strong... Would you want to tangle with that? I sure as hell wouldn't... Link to comment
HuskerNationNick Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Leave it to Obama to turn Trayvon's case into another "gun violence" speech. Without guns, this is an assault case. Says who? This could have also been a murder case on Trayvon Martin, had Zimmerman not had a gun on him.I guess that would have been better, since it wasn't a black young kid being killed, rather it be an older Mexican guy though right? Had it been that way, we would have never heard of it. I guess I don't understand your point... your assuming it would be an assault case. It's possible, but seems unlikely that a 17 year old would kill a grown man with his bare hands before someone could stop them. A 17 year old kid sure in the hell did some damage to a grown man with his bare hands before he got shot. If someone would have went outside to Zimmerman screaming for help and got Martin off of him, then no one would have been dead. Landlord, to say that there would have been no death with no gun, is nowhere near accurate. Zimmerman's head was being beat into the concrete. Head trauma and clots could easily be caused. Actually, if I remember right, there were more deaths last year by assaults than there were by assault weapons. I am not saying Martin would have killed him, but all it would have taken was one good hit with his head bouncing off that concrete to do it. Link to comment
Army Husker Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Just a quick fact...12 of the US casualties of the Vietnam war were 17 year olds. Not an age of a "child" as was continuously portrayed during the trial IMO. 1 Link to comment
huKSer Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 It's possible, but seems unlikely that a 17 year old would kill a grown man with his bare hands before someone could stop them. And the news STILL shows the photo of him when he was 12. Link to comment
knapplc Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Yeah, it's 2013. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but who is fueling it at this point? Everyone can stop playing the race card. I would be curious to see the reaction of black Americans if social media was around during the whole O.J. thing.... Would their disappointment, and rage be so strong? I get the annoyance with "the race card" but let's not pretend for a second that 2013 means racism in America is dead. And foisting racism off on those "playing the race card" minimizes a real problem. I know there are those who profit off that kind of thing but they pale in comparison to the very real racism problem this country faces. 1 Link to comment
HuskerNationNick Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Yeah, it's 2013. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but who is fueling it at this point? Everyone can stop playing the race card. I would be curious to see the reaction of black Americans if social media was around during the whole O.J. thing.... Would their disappointment, and rage be so strong? I get the annoyance with "the race card" but let's not pretend for a second that 2013 means racism in America is dead. And foisting racism off on those "playing the race card" minimizes a real problem. I know there are those who profit off that kind of thing but they pale in comparison to the very real racism problem this country faces. Race issues will always be there as long as we keep segregating ourselves. We do it in sports, tv, media, basically everywhere. Link to comment
walksalone Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Yeah, it's 2013. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but who is fueling it at this point? Everyone can stop playing the race card. I would be curious to see the reaction of black Americans if social media was around during the whole O.J. thing.... Would their disappointment, and rage be so strong? I get the annoyance with "the race card" but let's not pretend for a second that 2013 means racism in America is dead. And foisting racism off on those "playing the race card" minimizes a real problem. I know there are those who profit off that kind of thing but they pale in comparison to the very real racism problem this country faces. Race issues will always be there as long as we keep segregating ourselves. We do it in sports, tv, media, basically everywhere. I see too much of the race card where I am, and the very few times it's been played on me, usually ends with the whole, "I'm american indian, I was here first, so shut the f*ck up" Link to comment
sd'sker Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 The Embarrassment Of The George Zimmerman Verdict The result of a verdict today in a criminal trial is that everyone with a twitter or Facebook account gets to let the world know how ignorant they are of the criminal justice system. I know, First Amendment. But your ignorance shows again when you mention that. The First Amendment protects you from the government, it doesn't protect you on twitter or Facebook from people calling you out for your ignorance. good article about the media's incompetence. also, i am pretty impressed with all the poster so far. i was afraid to look at this thread after the verdict came out, but everyone seems pretty level headed and a lot of good opinions in here. edit: apparently, cnn just revealed zimmerman's ssn. that is some operation they have over there. Link to comment
Landlord Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Landlord, to say that there would have been no death with no gun, is nowhere near accurate. Zimmerman's head was being beat into the concrete. Head trauma and clots could easily be caused. Actually, if I remember right, there were more deaths last year by assaults than there were by assault weapons. I am not saying Martin would have killed him, but all it would have taken was one good hit with his head bouncing off that concrete to do it. Without the gun, Zimmerman would not have the confidence of security to go after this kid, prompting an aggressive reaction. Conjecture? Sure. All this is to say, it was his actions that caused this to happen the way it did. And a human life is gone because of it. Link to comment
Mavric Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Yeah, it's 2013. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but who is fueling it at this point? Everyone can stop playing the race card. I would be curious to see the reaction of black Americans if social media was around during the whole O.J. thing.... Would their disappointment, and rage be so strong? I get the annoyance with "the race card" but let's not pretend for a second that 2013 means racism in America is dead. And foisting racism off on those "playing the race card" minimizes a real problem. I know there are those who profit off that kind of thing but they pale in comparison to the very real racism problem this country faces. Agreed. But having it brought up immediately after any incident whether or not its valid makes it worse instead of better. Link to comment
EZ-E Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I've only really followed this case the past 48 hours. I could be way off on this so correct me if I'm wrong: The only things they can prove that are relevant to the charges: 1) Martin was over him and was beating his head into the ground 2) Neighbors heard screams for help 3) Zimmerman shot and killed Martin with a gun he had every right to carry I really don't think they proved much more than the above that are relevant to murder or manslaughter charges. In my opinion, there was flat out not enough evidence to send this man to prison. This falls under "Reasonable Doubt." Seriously though, I could be wrong, if I am off I would certainly appreciate a reply. Link to comment
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