Poll is Out

[Frederick0220]

My top 5 is

 

1. Alabama

2. LSU

3, Oregon

4, Kansas State

5 Notre Dame

How's LSU even in the discussion now?

 

I think he feels that since LSU almost beat the almighty Tide, they deserve to be #2.

 

Because, you know, it's college football. Where you move up for losing...

 

...

 

LSU is a good team, but #2? Get real. They lost to Bama. They should drop.

 

u mad?

[Count 'Bility]

 

OU seems to be coming out of the south correct? If that be the case OU will beat them by 21+.

I think this might be a sarcastic statement, but i'm replying as if it is serious. The Big 12 does not have divisions right now, nor is there a championship game.

 

Also, Kansas St. already beat OU (ahem, OU beat OU for Kstate) in Norman. Oklahoma turned the ball over numerous times but also, as pretty much the only other team besided KSU to make an attempt at playing defense, they are the only team to this point to keep the Kstate offense mostly in check.

We'll see what Texas brings to the table against KState, but i doubt they could hold them down. Texas, even with all the talent, is still too erratic.

[skersfan]

They already beat OU at OU. Soundly I might add.

[beanman]

Oh you guys. The balance I'm talking about is not in regards to offense and defense. It's the quality of team from top to bottom. This conference is not top heavy. Dont even know if I could put Ohio St in the elite category right now. Hence, a lot of good teams. Outside of Minnesota, Illinois, and right now, Purdue, anyone could legitimately beat anyone in this conference. Dont know that you could say the same for the other conferences. It results in beating up on each other like I said.

 

The top teams of the SEC and Oregon are exempt from this comparison. They are on another level right now. But compared to the ACC, Pac12 and Big12, teams from each level of each conference are on par with teams on the same level of the other conferences. I just dont think this conference is overall as bad as the national perception makes it out to be based on some bad out of conference losses. But dont get me wrong, I'm not near satisfied with the standing of the Big10 either.

 

We're all mediocre. I think you're supporting that with your argument. We're not all good. We're all average. Even OSU isn't elite right now. If they played any of the top 4 teams I think they lose to all of them. The only one they might beat is Notre Lame. LSU would also beat them assuming Miles doesn't screw over his own team again. Georgia would probably beat them. And OSU spanked us.

 

We would beat KState and so would tOSU. If you choose to argue I warn you that you will have to bring the goods. By that I mean you would actually have to use objectivity and reasoning. Go.

 

How about you bring the goods first. Explain to me how our mistake-prone team would not shoot itself in the foot and piss the game away against K-State. I think you need to not imply that I have no objectivity or reasoning. Do we have more talent than K-State? Probably so. But that doesn't change the fact that we're barely a top 20 team.

 

You were the one that implied that nobody in the Big Ten would beat KSU. So you are only using the rankings as your proof? That is fine.

 

1) We are more talented. No disagreement here at all.

2) Kansas State has not played a single team that is dedicated to running the football. I know this because there have only been 273 rushing attempts against them this year rounding out to average right around 30 carries per game. Which is the least amount in the conference. There isn't a team in the Big Ten under 33 attempts per game and that team is Iowa.

3) We average right around 45 carries a game. So I would consider us a running team.

4) We have played four teams that statistically you could argue are better against the run than KSU. It is unfortunate that KSU only has 273 attempts against them, because three of these four teams has no less than 30 more attempts against than KSU in Ohio State, MSU, and NW. So I would say that we have played better competition than their defense against the rush.

 

The above four points are to prove that yes, we would score points on them in boat loads. I would say no less than 28 to 30. Obviously that is just me coming up with a logical conclusion.

 

Unfortunately, there isn't a good offense to compare KSU to. The one I would say is maybe Northwestern?????

 

1) Northwestern statistically has a better rushing attack than KSU. So do three others that we have played. Granted, one is tOSU

2) KSU is the second worst team in the conference next to KU through the air. As you know, the Big 12 is a very pass heavy conference. They would be 6th in the BIG right behind us. They have the least amount of attempts in the conference by far at 196 and that would also be true in the Big 12.

3) Collin Klein is roughly 65% of their total offense.

 

The above three posts is to prove two points that A) they don't throw the football and B) they are rely heavily on Klein. I would also say that both of us would agree that we don't have that much to worry about when it comes to the passing game and defending it.

 

So really, the keys to beating KSU is to stop Klien and their running attack. Out of the dual threat QBs that we have seen this year, I would say that he is the slowest and they really dont scramble with him or run the zone read, they use him as their running back. If you rewatch the KSU-OU game, you will agree with me.

 

The area that I would give KSU praise at is that they have not given up a single point on a turnover. So Klein is really your stereotypical white fake-dual threat QB. This is where I would give them an edge in this game is that they don't seem to make too many mistakes and when they do, they usually pick themselves up. You know? Just like we have in the Northwestern, Wisconsin, and Michigan State games??????

 

My point being Beanman throughout this whole thing is that we would have more than a good chance to beat KSU. So to claim that we are mediocre just isn't accurate.

 

Your arguments cannot prove anything. I won't argue that we're more talented. But K-State is disciplined, physical and opportunistic. Our games are filled with penalties, turnovers and shaky starts. If our mental lapses and turnovers go away then we aren't mediocre. But the Big 10 is a mediocre conference and we're struggling to win it when the best team is not allowed to even play for the championship. A logical conclusion would be that we move the ball easily on them and turn the ball over or have penalties to stall drives. If you can't see that then I can't help you. We have a solid scoring average this year, but it should be about 10 points higher.

 

We haven't put together 4 good quarters of football all year except for a couple really bad teams during our non-conference schedule. We have a lot of talent on offense, but our defensive line is still one of the least talented I can remember since I've been following Nebraska football. The future looks like it might be okay at Linebacker, so hopefully we can put it all together next year and make a run at a 1 loss season and BCS win. But I've seen nothing to give me optimism that our penalties and turnovers magically get solved. If those problems go away we could be a top 5 team. As it sits right now, I think 15 is about as high as we deserve.

 

If you asked any analysts who have no bias toward either team I think the vast majority would agree that we would lose to K-State because of our turnover margin. I'm through discussing this with you.

[EZ-E]

 

OU seems to be coming out of the south correct? If that be the case OU will beat them by 21+.

I think this might be a sarcastic statement, but i'm replying as if it is serious. The Big 12 does not have divisions right now, nor is there a championship game.

 

Also, Kansas St. already beat OU (ahem, OU beat OU for Kstate) in Norman. Oklahoma turned the ball over numerous times but also, as pretty much the only other team besided KSU to make an attempt at playing defense, they are the only team to this point to keep the Kstate offense mostly in check.

We'll see what Texas brings to the table against KState, but i doubt they could hold them down. Texas, even with all the talent, is still too erratic.

They already beat OU at OU. Soundly I might add.

 

I knew that they had already played OU, did not know if with the addition of TCU and West Virginia if they had added a conference championship game. I had heard that they did but did not do my own research on it.

 

Secondly, the OU-KState game in Norman was far from a "sound" victory as the final scored ended 24 to 19. KState was the beneficiary of three huge mistakes by OU. I will absolutely give them credit for forcing a fumble and recovering it in the end zone, but refuse to give them credit for Blake Bell dropping the shot gun snap on the goal line (with literally nobody else around him) or Laundry Jones being the Senior QB that he is throwing right to Ty Zimmerman off of his back foot. Anybody else want to complain about Taylor's play? That was one of the dumbest throws I have seen from a pass first QB this season.

 

Furthermore, the play selection for OU in that game was right around 45 pass to 27 (if I remember right??) run. They abandoned the run completely. If you exclude the sacks that OU surrendered they averaged right around 4.6 yards per carry. Never understand why Stoops went completely away from the running game. To claim that OU was beaten soundly is way off base. Again, I was misinformed by someone about a Big 12 Title game that is non-existent; thus my comment about OU beating them. I should have clarified that if they saw each other again in the (non existent) title game, OU would house them.

 

Like I said, KSU does one thing very well, and that is picking themselves up from mistakes. But I would say that quite a few teams in the Big Ten that are dedicated to the run would give them a lot of trouble.

 

Texas wont beat them as they are the worst team in the conference at stopping the run. But the recipe to beating KSU remains: pound the football, and make Klein throw, which his release takes him right around 15 minutes to get rid of the football.

[EZ-E]

Beanman,

 

You are right. I shouldn't have said "prove," I should have chose my words more carefully like "lend credence to my position that we would score points on them in boat loads."

 

We are scoring 38 points per game basically as a run first team in a conference that has better rush defenses and better running attacks. Would we turn the ball over at about our average turnover margin? Sure. But that would not negate the fact that even when we turn the ball over, we score points. We have been able to dust ourselves off quite a bit after a turnover and respond. Either on defense or offense. Turnovers have only truely cost us one game and that was tOSU. So if you can't see that either, I can't help you.

 

We are a penalized team especially on defense. That is what comes with playing very physical in the secondary. Even when our secondary was full of draft picks and NFL football players in 2010 we were a penalized defense. It just comes with the territory. I am okay taking a PI call (that accounted for 45 yards of the penalties Saturday. Add the BS personal foul and you have it) because that physical play is what gives our defense that advantage in the style that we play.

 

Do we deserve to be in the top ten? No. Can we beat those guys up there? Yes. Do we have the talent on our roster to do so? You bet your ass we do.

[Stumpy1]

Beanman,

 

You are right. I shouldn't have said "prove," I should have chose my words more carefully like "lend credence to my position that we would score points on them in boat loads."

 

We are scoring 38 points per game basically as a run first team in a conference that has better rush defenses and better running attacks. Would we turn the ball over at about our average turnover margin? Sure. But that would not negate the fact that even when we turn the ball over, we score points. We have been able to dust ourselves off quite a bit after a turnover and respond. Either on defense or offense. Turnovers have only truely cost us one game and that was tOSU. So if you can't see that either, I can't help you.

 

We are a penalized team especially on defense. That is what comes with playing very physical in the secondary. Even when our secondary was full of draft picks and NFL football players in 2010 we were a penalized defense. It just comes with the territory. I am okay taking a PI call (that accounted for 45 yards of the penalties Saturday. Add the BS personal foul and you have it) because that physical play is what gives our defense that advantage in the style that we play.

 

Do we deserve to be in the top ten? No. Can we beat those guys up there? Yes. Do we have the talent on our roster to do so? You bet your ass we do.

Being physical on Def. takes a toll on the opponents offense. Look at the old days and tell me that those guys wouldn't be getting flagged every other play. They played nasty and I hope our guys get to that level again. I love when a Def. is physical and I can live with the penalties that come with it.

[Hoop coach]

Big 10 is no where near the level of the SEC. Sure. Who is? But this conference is a lot more balanced than your PAC and Big 12's. This conference spends so much time beating up on each other, that it's why we're going to have a conference championship game with teams outside the top ten with multiple losses. Sure this year has seen some bad out of conference losses, but conference like the Pac 12 and Big 12 have a couple of elite/very good teams but the rest are no better than the Big 10's mid-of-road teams.

I guess I just think that the other AQ conferences are top heavy with 1-2 elite teams and bunch of mediocres while the Big 10 is a bit more balanced with a bunch of "good" teams.

When we were in the Big 12 my cousins in B1G country would always use this excuse that we are always beating up on each other so that's why we can't win the NC. Beating up on each other just means that there is parity, it doesn't mean all of the teams are good. If everyone is average than its just average teams beating each other. Don't mistake parity for quality.

[talaricohusker]

Huskers are 16th in the BCS standings

[BartonHusker]

We would get killed against K-State. Turnovers and pentalies would have to be nil. On top of that the reason teams don't run on KSU is because they are very good against it and teams are playing from behind against them. They score a lot of points and they don't give up many points. Oklahoma State scored the most on them then anyone and they came in with the #1 offense in the Big XII.

 

It isn't to say we wouldn't have a chance but I would assume every school comes into the game thinking KSU isn't as good as they are. Then they get slapped with a cruel reality.

[NoLongerN]

Huskers are 16th in the BCS standings

 

That's funny.

[talaricohusker]

Huskers are 16th in the BCS standings

 

That's funny.

 

Why is that funny? That's good we are moving up

[Count 'Bility]

We would get killed against K-State. Turnovers and pentalies would have to be nil. On top of that the reason teams don't run on KSU is because they are very good against it and teams are playing from behind against them. They score a lot of points and they don't give up many points. Oklahoma State scored the most on them then anyone and they came in with the #1 offense in the Big XII.

 

It isn't to say we wouldn't have a chance but I would assume every school comes into the game thinking KSU isn't as good as they are. Then they get slapped with a cruel reality.

Because they play in a conference that doesnt play defense, and they attempt to play some of their own. This is why teams are always catching up. Good grief why cant any of you see this? Even Beanman, whom I am agreeing to disagree with, admitted we would be a top 5 team if we could can the mistakes. I even said, yes, the way we have been playing, Kansas St would beat us. But if we played mistake free ball, or as sound as them, we run them out of the stadium. I'm sorry. kansas St does not deserve a chance at a national title. They would have no chance against Bama or Oregon. The only way they deserve it is if one of them goes down before then. Kansas St's style has made them very beneficial in the conference they play in. Again, the only other team in that conference that plays respectable defense-Oklahoma-shouldve beat them. They didnt because OU made a boatload of mistakes. Kansas St is a very solid football team. Snyder is mind boggling. They are not legitimately top 5 in my mind.

[QMany]

16th is right where I thought we would be.

 

Movin' on up!

[EZ-E]

We would get killed against K-State. Turnovers and pentalies would have to be nil. On top of that the reason teams don't run on KSU is because they are very good against it and teams are playing from behind against them. They score a lot of points and they don't give up many points. Oklahoma State scored the most on them then anyone and they came in with the #1 offense in the Big XII.

 

It isn't to say we wouldn't have a chance but I would assume every school comes into the game thinking KSU isn't as good as they are. Then they get slapped with a cruel reality.

Because they play in a conference that doesnt play defense, and they attempt to play some of their own. This is why teams are always catching up. Good grief why cant any of you see this? Even Beanman, whom I am agreeing to disagree with, admitted we would be a top 5 team if we could can the mistakes. I even said, yes, the way we have been playing, Kansas St would beat us. But if we played mistake free ball, or as sound as them, we run them out of the stadium. I'm sorry. kansas St does not deserve a chance at a national title. They would have no chance against Bama or Oregon. The only way they deserve it is if one of them goes down before then. Kansas St's style has made them very beneficial in the conference they play in. Again, the only other team in that conference that plays respectable defense-Oklahoma-shouldve beat them. They didnt because OU made a boatload of mistakes. Kansas St is a very solid football team. Snyder is mind boggling. They are not legitimately top 5 in my mind.

 

Good post Accountability. I agree with a lot of what you said. I just seem to remember a Freshman QB running all over KSU in 2010. I also don't believe that the talent gap between NU and KSU has closed in the slightest. KSU is basically what Iowa was between 2000 and 2010. Every so often they will put the right combination of kids together, win a game they shouldn't and be in the hunt for a BCS bowl game only to go 7 and 4 the next year because no recruiting momentum was buit and maintained.