****Fall Camp Twitter Thread**** aka the RG44 love fest

[knapplc]

Speaking of Drake Martinez, Sipple has a quote from Drake in his latest article. I was under the impression Freshmen couldn't talk to the press until they'd played in a game. Did that change?

[GSG]

Speaking of Drake Martinez, Sipple has a quote from Drake in his latest article. I was under the impression Freshmen couldn't talk to the press until they'd played in a game. Did that change?

 

Coach-Dad probably said it was ok

[robsker]

One thing not addressed regarding red-shirting is this... a major (and arguably the most important) question to ask regarding whether a student/athlete should be red-shirted or not is this... "does this student/athlete have a better probability of graduating if he redshirts?"

 

The whole concept of red-shirting is to facilitate the student/athlete in graduating. If a student/athlete comes into college with 10,15, 20... 25 credits already earned from AP classes and/or early college equivalent courses in High School and has an ACT of 25 or higher --- or other such indicators that suggest that graduating in 4 years is a high probability... then red-shirting will not be needed on academic grounds --- and then roster management questions can govern whether to use a red-shirt or not. But... if a student/athlete is comes in with few (or no) prior earned credits and is a marginal student (as many, perhaps most are) then red-shirting should be the only course of action --- on academic grounds --- independent of roster management criteria.

 

This is how it should be done. Maximize the probability of graduation. 95%+ of these guys will never see the NFL --- and those few who do... they see it for a few years at best. Use the red-shirt system on academic grounds first and then use the red-shirt system (or not use it) on roster management grounds only if the student/athlete is already in good shape academically.

 

the reason this topic is not addressed in red shirting a guy is because that is not how red shirting is used. its used for a player that is not ready physically to perform at the highest level.

 

lets say you are a coach. you have an incoming freshman who has no credits to his name,(which is most high school kids going into their first year of college) who had lets say a 2.7 gpa, only got an 18 on his ACT, but has the football ability of an ahman green type his freshman year. are you going to make him redshirt so he can be on a pace to graduate or are you going to throw him out of the field to win you some games? these days you can get fired for winning only 9 games ya know? (too soon?)

 

there will never be a coach to redshirt his players for graduation purposes. it just will never happen with the win now and collect the almighty dollar mentality college sports is surrounded with.

 

You, my friend, are quite correct on many levels. The pressure to win and self-preservation on the behalf of the coach are, unfortunately, often governing criteria... and, at that, to the detriment of many, many, many student athletes. While I agree with your assessment in principle, you probably overstate the case somewhat. I am sure that there are coaches out there that do make red-shirting decisions on academic grounds from time to time --- and even some who do so as a rule... but they are, admittedly, a minority.

 

As to the question you posed to me... I would doubtless red-shirt the student/athlete that needs the academic help irrespective of his readiness physically to produce on the field... simply because it is the right thing to do.

 

Finally, as a university professor, I can tell you that somewhere between 25-80% of students entering the university have already earned college credit and bring credits in with them (the percentage varies rather widely based, of course, upon what university you have in view). The average incoming freshman entering into my university in the major in which I teach carries with them an average of 12 pre-earned college credits and an average ACT of 29. Were this the case for a student athlete then red-shirting on academic grounds would not be mandated --- but the student/athlete you described must, in my view, red-shirt --- even if he makes Adrian Peterson look slow and untalented in comparison.

 

And you are right... my coaching tenure would be short lived!

[GSG]

Jon Nyatawa ‏@JonNyatawa 1m

The #Huskers have some LBs who can play. But they're young & they need positions. So it's gonna be a busy 3 weeks http://omaha.com/article/20130807/HUSKERS/130809128/1002#huskers-have-plenty-of-possibilities-at-linebacker …

[HuskerFowler]

Jon Nyatawa ‏@JonNyatawa 1m

The #Huskers have some LBs who can play. But they're young & they need positions. So it's gonna be a busy 3 weeks http://omaha.com/article/20130807/HUSKERS/130809128/1002#huskers-have-plenty-of-possibilities-at-linebacker …

 

In the OWH the picture caption says left Zaire Anderson right David Santos. I believe that's DJ Singleton and Zaire Anderson. C'mon man!!

[girlknowsfootball]

Not really news, but funny

 

Tunnel Walk of Shame ‏@TunnelWalkShame 28m

Taylor Martinez says Drake Martinez will play this year. I expect most post-game interviews to go like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ECqP9KMqtI

 

He will play special teams.

[ADS]

Meanwhile in Michigan

 

http://www.mlive.com...green_weig.html

Jeff Weintraub ‏@TheDailyTraub 17m

Per source: Michigan freshman RB Derrick Green got hurt in practice today and is out 2 weeks.

 

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/derrick-green-hurt-practice-out-2-weeks

[Count 'Bility]

Meanwhile in Michigan

 

http://www.mlive.com...green_weig.html

Jeff Weintraub ‏@TheDailyTraub 17m

Per source: Michigan freshman RB Derrick Green got hurt in practice today and is out 2 weeks.

 

http://mgoblog.com/m...ice-out-2-weeks

Tripped over his belly roll didnt he?

[The Maudfather]

Meanwhile in Michigan

 

http://www.mlive.com...green_weig.html

Jeff Weintraub ‏@TheDailyTraub 17m

Per source: Michigan freshman RB Derrick Green got hurt in practice today and is out 2 weeks.

 

http://mgoblog.com/m...ice-out-2-weeks

Going to be held out of football activites for two weeks? Gotta be concerning news if you're a Michigan fan. Seems very likely your top rated running back may return to the team as a left tackle the way this guy is putting on weight.

[ADS]

lol at Michigan fans thinking he's the next TJ Yeldon

[JohnInKC]

One thing not addressed regarding red-shirting is this... a major (and arguably the most important) question to ask regarding whether a student/athlete should be red-shirted or not is this... "does this student/athlete have a better probability of graduating if he redshirts?"

 

The whole concept of red-shirting is to facilitate the student/athlete in graduating. If a student/athlete comes into college with 10,15, 20... 25 credits already earned from AP classes and/or early college equivalent courses in High School and has an ACT of 25 or higher --- or other such indicators that suggest that graduating in 4 years is a high probability... then red-shirting will not be needed on academic grounds --- and then roster management questions can govern whether to use a red-shirt or not. But... if a student/athlete is comes in with few (or no) prior earned credits and is a marginal student (as many, perhaps most are) then red-shirting should be the only course of action --- on academic grounds --- independent of roster management criteria.

 

This is how it should be done. Maximize the probability of graduation. 95%+ of these guys will never see the NFL --- and those few who do... they see it for a few years at best. Use the red-shirt system on academic grounds first and then use the red-shirt system (or not use it) on roster management grounds only if the student/athlete is already in good shape academically.

 

the reason this topic is not addressed in red shirting a guy is because that is not how red shirting is used. its used for a player that is not ready physically to perform at the highest level.

 

lets say you are a coach. you have an incoming freshman who has no credits to his name,(which is most high school kids going into their first year of college) who had lets say a 2.7 gpa, only got an 18 on his ACT, but has the football ability of an ahman green type his freshman year. are you going to make him redshirt so he can be on a pace to graduate or are you going to throw him out of the field to win you some games? these days you can get fired for winning only 9 games ya know? (too soon?)

 

there will never be a coach to redshirt his players for graduation purposes. it just will never happen with the win now and collect the almighty dollar mentality college sports is surrounded with.

 

You, my friend, are quite correct on many levels. The pressure to win and self-preservation on the behalf of the coach are, unfortunately, often governing criteria... and, at that, to the detriment of many, many, many student athletes. While I agree with your assessment in principle, you probably overstate the case somewhat. I am sure that there are coaches out there that do make red-shirting decisions on academic grounds from time to time --- and even some who do so as a rule... but they are, admittedly, a minority.

 

As to the question you posed to me... I would doubtless red-shirt the student/athlete that needs the academic help irrespective of his readiness physically to produce on the field... simply because it is the right thing to do.

 

Finally, as a university professor, I can tell you that somewhere between 25-80% of students entering the university have already earned college credit and bring credits in with them (the percentage varies rather widely based, of course, upon what university you have in view). The average incoming freshman entering into my university in the major in which I teach carries with them an average of 12 pre-earned college credits and an average ACT of 29. Were this the case for a student athlete then red-shirting on academic grounds would not be mandated --- but the student/athlete you described must, in my view, red-shirt --- even if he makes Adrian Peterson look slow and untalented in comparison.

 

And you are right... my coaching tenure would be short lived!

 

lol. i think it was an easier time back in TO's day. those partial qualifiers that wouldn't always redshirt but would be on campus and work on his academics the first year on campus. those are the top JUCO guys now a days that we strive to get every year at one or two positions. also look at heard and dj singelton as examples of kids who could not qualify and had to sit a year. they would of fallen under that partial qualifying recruits.

 

this is all off topic with regards to this thread but oh well. kick off is almost here and i gotta find something to occupy the time.

[GSG]

Ciante Evans ‏@Ciante17 21m

If you want to know the temperature of an organization, put a thermometer in the leader's mouth.

[StPaulHusker]

Ciante Evans ‏@Ciante17 21m

If you want to know the temperature of an organization, put a thermometer in the leader's mouth.

 

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[GSG]

Brian Christopherson ‏@HuskerExtraBC 1m

Tim Beck isn't shy to bounce ideas off his players. "He'll ask us, 'What do you think about this play?'" http://bit.ly/19Q3rjw #Huskers

 

Brian Christopherson ‏@HuskerExtraBC 40s

“I think he’s a great coach, because he works with his players, not just at his players," fullback C.J. Zimmerer said of Beck. #Huskers

[Mavric]

Ciante Evans ‏@Ciante17 21m

If you want to know the temperature of an organization, put a thermometer in the leader's mouth.

Then we're one of the hottest teams going.