****Fall Camp Twitter Thread**** aka the RG44 love fest

[C N Red]

Sean Callahan ‏@Sean_Callahan 7m

The two true freshmen walk-on players that made the 105-man fall camp roster were LB Chris Weber & WR Christian Bailey. #Huskers

 

Christian Bailey is here because Johnny Stanton is. He was a receiver on Johnny's high school team. I hope he turns out to be a great get!

What about Ismail Jackson? Gotta keep him for Matt Damon national notoriety dont you?

[BigRedBuster]

Brian Christopherson ‏@HuskerExtraBC 1m

Tim Beck isn't shy to bounce ideas off his players. "He'll ask us, 'What do you think about this play?'" http://bit.ly/19Q3rjw #Huskers

 

Brian Christopherson ‏@HuskerExtraBC 40s

“I think he’s a great coach, because he works with his players, not just at his players," fullback C.J. Zimmerer said of Beck. #Huskers

 

 

I really hope we can keep him for a long time.

[whateveritis1224]

Speaking of Drake Martinez, Sipple has a quote from Drake in his latest article. I was under the impression Freshmen couldn't talk to the press until they'd played in a game. Did that change?

 

I'm pretty sure the "I'm meaner than Taylor so I wouldn't be good at QB" quote came from the article written back after NSD.

[Haspula]

Sean Callahan ‏@Sean_Callahan 7m

The two true freshmen walk-on players that made the 105-man fall camp roster were LB Chris Weber & WR Christian Bailey. #Huskers

 

Christian Bailey is here because Johnny Stanton is. He was a receiver on Johnny's high school team. I hope he turns out to be a great get!

What about Ismail Jackson? Gotta keep him for Matt Damon national notoriety dont you?

Bailey and stanton went to different schools

[The King]

One thing not addressed regarding red-shirting is this... a major (and arguably the most important) question to ask regarding whether a student/athlete should be red-shirted or not is this... "does this student/athlete have a better probability of graduating if he redshirts?"

 

The whole concept of red-shirting is to facilitate the student/athlete in graduating. If a student/athlete comes into college with 10,15, 20... 25 credits already earned from AP classes and/or early college equivalent courses in High School and has an ACT of 25 or higher --- or other such indicators that suggest that graduating in 4 years is a high probability... then red-shirting will not be needed on academic grounds --- and then roster management questions can govern whether to use a red-shirt or not. But... if a student/athlete is comes in with few (or no) prior earned credits and is a marginal student (as many, perhaps most are) then red-shirting should be the only course of action --- on academic grounds --- independent of roster management criteria.

 

This is how it should be done. Maximize the probability of graduation. 95%+ of these guys will never see the NFL --- and those few who do... they see it for a few years at best. Use the red-shirt system on academic grounds first and then use the red-shirt system (or not use it) on roster management grounds only if the student/athlete is already in good shape academically.

 

the reason this topic is not addressed in red shirting a guy is because that is not how red shirting is used. its used for a player that is not ready physically to perform at the highest level.

 

lets say you are a coach. you have an incoming freshman who has no credits to his name,(which is most high school kids going into their first year of college) who had lets say a 2.7 gpa, only got an 18 on his ACT, but has the football ability of an ahman green type his freshman year. are you going to make him redshirt so he can be on a pace to graduate or are you going to throw him out of the field to win you some games? these days you can get fired for winning only 9 games ya know? (too soon?)

 

there will never be a coach to redshirt his players for graduation purposes. it just will never happen with the win now and collect the almighty dollar mentality college sports is surrounded with.

 

You, my friend, are quite correct on many levels. The pressure to win and self-preservation on the behalf of the coach are, unfortunately, often governing criteria... and, at that, to the detriment of many, many, many student athletes. While I agree with your assessment in principle, you probably overstate the case somewhat. I am sure that there are coaches out there that do make red-shirting decisions on academic grounds from time to time --- and even some who do so as a rule... but they are, admittedly, a minority.

 

As to the question you posed to me... I would doubtless red-shirt the student/athlete that needs the academic help irrespective of his readiness physically to produce on the field... simply because it is the right thing to do.

 

Finally, as a university professor, I can tell you that somewhere between 25-80% of students entering the university have already earned college credit and bring credits in with them (the percentage varies rather widely based, of course, upon what university you have in view). The average incoming freshman entering into my university in the major in which I teach carries with them an average of 12 pre-earned college credits and an average ACT of 29. Were this the case for a student athlete then red-shirting on academic grounds would not be mandated --- but the student/athlete you described must, in my view, red-shirt --- even if he makes Adrian Peterson look slow and untalented in comparison.

 

And you are right... my coaching tenure would be short lived!

 

lol. i think it was an easier time back in TO's day. those partial qualifiers that wouldn't always redshirt but would be on campus and work on his academics the first year on campus. those are the top JUCO guys now a days that we strive to get every year at one or two positions. also look at heard and dj singelton as examples of kids who could not qualify and had to sit a year. they would of fallen under that partial qualifying recruits.

 

this is all off topic with regards to this thread but oh well. kick off is almost here and i gotta find something to occupy the time.

 

Not to mention all of those "top" players that are on the fringe, they don't want to redshirt. They want to play. So you'd have horrible recruiting classes.

[BigRedBuster]

The problem is that scholarship limits have caused redshirting to actually hurt the program unless the kid really develops into something he never would have been with that extra year.

 

Right now, you can have 85 kids on scholarship. Let's say the majority of recruits stay in the program and does not redshirt. Along with that, the program keeps their promise to the kid as far as his scholarship. That means, you can bring in a decent sized recruiting class every year but not the maximum amount.

 

Now, let's say you redshirt quite a few of them and a majority of kids all stay in the program for 5 years and again, the program keeps their promise to the kid. That GREATLY reduces the turnover in scholarships.

 

NOW...let's say we play like the SEC and don't redshirt very many AND, if you struggle, you are GONE. That means, we can turn over the number of scholarships fairly quickly. We have more kids going through the program. Let's then say in all of these scenarios 33% of the kids turn out to be really good and contribute in a major way to the program. The higher the number of kids that get processed through the program, the more kids you are going to have on the team that are major contributors.

 

It's a numbers game. I don't agree with doing it the way the SEC does it. But, that is the way it is.

[Decked]

Bryan Munson ‏@BigRedBryan3m

Well-deserved! RT:@HuskerExtraSip: #Huskers right guard Spencer Long is Sports Illustrated second-team All-American.

[Hoosker]

 

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[The Dude]

"Sorry, had the #18 at D'Leon's."

[Count 'Bility]

 

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Vintage Bo face. You have no idea if he's happy, sad, or furious. You really don't.

[Landlord]

 

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"You want to put what in my butt?"

[GSG]

 

"You want to put what in my butt?"

 

[BigRedBuster]

 

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Vintage Bo face. You have no idea if he's happy, sad, or furious. You really don't.

 

 

I'll guarantee you that the players do.

[Landlord]

 

"You want to put what in my butt?"

 

 

 

 

[TAKODA]

 

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"Wasn't me"