Former Nebraska Kicker Says He Was Openly Gay, Loved By Teammates

[74Hunter]

Intellectually dishonest. By stating that because RB and many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that they hate gays or are bigots. That is a flat out lie perpetrated by those with a political agenda.

 

I find it funny that those who sit on their high horse and pretend to preach tolerance are the first to call names and falsely pigeon hole people that don't think or feel exactly as they do. They are the epitome of a hypocrite.

i think the argument is whether or not a homosexual player would feel comfortable with coach brown. given what he has said, it is not unreasonable to think they might not. where is the character assassination of coach brown you claim? junior is not saying he is a bigot or even hates gays, that is all projection from you. this is all about how the homosexual player may feel around a coach who has said and believes what coach brown has said and what he believes.

I'd prefer to see a quote from a mass of gay football players that feel that way about RB rather than make that assumption.

[sd'sker]

Intellectually dishonest. By stating that because RB and many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that they hate gays or are bigots. That is a flat out lie perpetrated by those with a political agenda.

 

I find it funny that those who sit on their high horse and pretend to preach tolerance are the first to call names and falsely pigeon hole people that don't think or feel exactly as they do. They are the epitome of a hypocrite.

i think the argument is whether or not a homosexual player would feel comfortable with coach brown. given what he has said, it is not unreasonable to think they might not. where is the character assassination of coach brown you claim? junior is not saying he is a bigot or even hates gays, that is all projection from you. this is all about how the homosexual player may feel around a coach who has said and believes what coach brown has said and what he believes.

I'd prefer to see a quote from a mass of gay football players that feel that way about RB rather than make that assumption.

i'll see what i can do.

[74Hunter]

Intellectually dishonest indeed.

 

You cannot read the statement, "You put your arms around that person struggling with homosexuality and you help walk him or her to the truth of Jesus Christ, just as you would any other player involved in any other sin" and not see that Junior's interpretation is wholly accurate. This is exactly what Coach Brown meant. This "intellectually dishonest" thing is silly. Point the thumb with that.

When every Christian church makes it their mission to 'cure' homosexuals, I'll buy that sentiment.

 

But I know for a fact that not all churches do that.

[Junior]

If you are focusing on (and not understanding) that part, then obviously you have never closely personally known anyone who is gay.

 

But thank you for interjecting insincere and dishonest political talking points into this discussion.

 

Clearly my college roommate wasn't gay. I'll have to tell him you said so.

 

Insincere and dishonest political talking points? Insincere would imply that I don't actually believe what I am saying. But I do, so.... not insincere. Dishonest... how?

Intellectually dishonest. By stating that because RB and many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that they hate gays or are bigots. That is a flat out lie perpetrated by those with a political agenda.

 

I find it funny that those who sit on their high horse and pretend to preach tolerance are the first to call names and falsely pigeon hole people that don't think or feel exactly as they do. They are the epitome of a hypocrite.

 

 

Show me where I said that "because RB and many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that they hate gays or are bigots. " I think you'll find that I didn't.

[74Hunter]

If you are focusing on (and not understanding) that part, then obviously you have never closely personally known anyone who is gay.

 

But thank you for interjecting insincere and dishonest political talking points into this discussion.

 

Clearly my college roommate wasn't gay. I'll have to tell him you said so.

 

Insincere and dishonest political talking points? Insincere would imply that I don't actually believe what I am saying. But I do, so.... not insincere. Dishonest... how?

Intellectually dishonest. By stating that because RB and many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that they hate gays or are bigots. That is a flat out lie perpetrated by those with a political agenda.

 

I find it funny that those who sit on their high horse and pretend to preach tolerance are the first to call names and falsely pigeon hole people that don't think or feel exactly as they do. They are the epitome of a hypocrite.

 

 

Show me where I said that "because RB and many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that they hate gays or are bigots. " I think you'll find that I didn't.

Fair enough. I guess I'm making the same 'inferences' that you are.

[74Hunter]

Intellectually dishonest. By stating that because RB and many Christians feel that homosexuality is a sin, that they hate gays or are bigots. That is a flat out lie perpetrated by those with a political agenda.

 

I find it funny that those who sit on their high horse and pretend to preach tolerance are the first to call names and falsely pigeon hole people that don't think or feel exactly as they do. They are the epitome of a hypocrite.

i think the argument is whether or not a homosexual player would feel comfortable with coach brown. given what he has said, it is not unreasonable to think they might not. where is the character assassination of coach brown you claim? junior is not saying he is a bigot or even hates gays, that is all projection from you. this is all about how the homosexual player may feel around a coach who has said and believes what coach brown has said and what he believes.

I'd prefer to see a quote from a mass of gay football players that feel that way about RB rather than make that assumption.

i'll see what i can do.

That's cool. Better yet would be to find a bunch of gay football players that actually played for RB and were uncomfortable with him.

[hskrfan4life]

I just don't understand why people like to make a big deal of things. My dad is gay, and just because he is gay and is no longer married to my mom does not mean I don't love him. He is still and always will be my father. My grandparents (his parents) are the most religious people I know. They are Catholic, and they don't have a problem with him being gay. I feel as if someone is gay that is their life and in no way does that make my life any worse or better. After all we are all human beings, throw away the religions and the like and we are all the same. We all bleed the same color. Just because someone isn't how you are does not make them any worse than you or better than you. I feel like everything has to be thrown out of proportion all the time.

[StPaulHusker]

I'm a little surprised and quite ashamed that apparently so many think Ron would be/might be the person to make him feel uncomfortable. I know Ron's public position on the subject very well but I also feel I know quite a bit more about him as a person. IMO, he would be the last person on staff to make a gay person feel unwelcomed or uncomfortable.

I'm guessing, and only guessing based on my own beliefs, that Ron would view it as a sin. Having said that, my teaching (that I have received and believe) is that regardless of the sin, you hate the sin, but love the sinner. I think that is how Ron would have / or does feel, and not just about sexual preference, but anything that is considered sin......hating, cursing, stealing, lying, adultery, etc.

 

 

+1 as this is what I feel he would do as well, plus is the way I look at life as well. Very well stated grandpasknee!

I wonder if he has tried to convince Ameer that Christ is his savior.

[Junior]

 

Fair enough. I guess I'm making the same 'inferences' that you are.

 

I know that you think you are making a grand point here, but you really aren't.

[sd'sker]

I'd prefer to see a quote from a mass of gay football players that feel that way about RB rather than make that assumption.

i'll see what i can do.

That's cool. Better yet would be to find a bunch of gay football players that actually played for RB and were uncomfortable with him.

that's going to be a bit tougher.

[Guy Chamberlin]

Intellectually dishonest indeed.

 

You cannot read the statement, "You put your arms around that person struggling with homosexuality and you help walk him or her to the truth of Jesus Christ, just as you would any other player involved in any other sin" and not see that Junior's interpretation is wholly accurate. This is exactly what Coach Brown meant. This "intellectually dishonest" thing is silly. Point the thumb with that.

When every Christian church makes it their mission to 'cure' homosexuals, I'll buy that sentiment.

 

But I know for a fact that not all churches do that.

 

But we know for a fact that we are talking about Ron Brown, and that Ron Brown made his statements for public consumption, that Ron Brown believes homosexuality is a sin, and that it's something a player would "struggle with." And with all due respect to "hate the sin, love the sinner" it's pretty hard not to extraplote that a player who didn't choose to "correct" the sin of homosexuality (as opposed to say, robbing a liquor store) would be regarded by Brown as a weaker person in danger of spending an eternity in hell. He's not equating a sinning homosexual with a sinning heterosexual. He's saying a homosexual has sinned right out of the gate, before he's made the bad choices of his fellow sinners.

 

All of which is Ron Brown's right as an individual. But others have every right to criticize him. As you suggest, a lot of Christian churches wouldn't approve of Ron Brown's judgement, either.

 

I'm guessing the truth is that Ron Brown is a deeply spiritual man with a genuine respect for his players and their future well-being. I bet the vast majority of his players love and respect him, even if they don't always agree with him. But I'm guessing Ron Brown is capable of evolving, too, and like a lot of other athletes with deeply Christian upbringings, he will be putting the supposed "issue" of homosexuality in the rearview mirror.

[JJ Husker]

 

What is wrong is that he is implying they need to be changed. He'll show them Jesus Christ so they understand they are sinners and won't be gay anymore. Just like you'd counsel an alcoholic to see Jesus Christ and change. Since JJHusker felt that Ron Brown wouldn't make gay athletes feel uncomfortable, and my argument is that he would... tell me how I'm wrong. Do you think counseling gay athletes to understand that their gayness is a sin makes them feel good about themselves or comfortable with a such prominent figure in the athletic department?

 

Actually, I explained this much better (below) than you restated it.

 

 

That's a fair point but I would like to believe well read and knowledgeable fans, as I believe many HBers are, should also know his positions on judging others and the difference between being against something he views as sinful but not being against the sinner. I'm not saying I agree with his public stance on it but I sure haven't seen any other evidence that he is anything less than accepting and supportive of those he interacts with.

 

But I sure can see where simply knowing a person is opposed to homosexuality could cause a gay person to be uncomfortable even with no additional reasons to feel that way.

 

 

Come on, can you imagine feeling comfortable around Ron Brown if you were gay? After he said this:

 

"I think Christians should love a homosexual teammate just like they would any other teammate," Brown said. "Let me tell you what else is in that locker room. There are thieves, liars, people who lust, people addicted to pornography, even some players who are alcoholics. There are all kinds of sinners in that locker room."

Ah, the age-old tactic of likening gay people to liars and alcoholics. Real welcoming, right?

Then:

"You put your arms around that person struggling with homosexuality and you help walk him or her to the truth of Jesus Christ, just as you would any other player involved in any other sin."

 

Sure... love the sinner, but try to change them. Seems so... welcoming.

 

 

Seems you chose to gloss over and ignore the direct statement Ron made (that I bolded) and instead are content reading implications into his examples of other sin and what that must mean he thinks about gays. Yes, Ron thinks homosexuality is a sin. If you can't accept that at face value without assuming it must mean more, then I don't know what to tell you. As an example; Many people believe a man and woman living together and having sex out of wedlock is a sin. Does that necessarily mean those people make these sinners feel uncomfortable? Does it mean that they are hateful, unwelcoming people? It sure doesn't mean those things in my book. I see absolutely no difference between the people who believe sex outside of marriage is a sin and a person like Ron Brown who has stated he believes homosexuality is a sin. You can't pick and choose which parts of his positions you choose to listen to. Well, you can but it is counter-productive if the goal is to figure out how he would actually treat such a person in a one on one or team environment.

[ShawnWatson]

Let's get back to the important topics, that guy has really strange hair going on. Amirite?

[GSG]

Let's get back to the important topics, that guy has really strange hair going on. Amirite?

 

I liked this comment from the Deadspin article:

 

 

 

Teammates reached for comment had nothing but glowing things to say about Lueshen.

 

"The guy's head glowed," said quarterback Joe Ganz.

 

Added lineman Darren DeLane, "Like a damn human high beam."

[Guy Chamberlin]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-poll-finds-most-nfl-players-still-not-ready-to,35267/