Guy Chamberlin Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 You be pretty crazy to walk into OSU right now wanting to change anything. Meyer may not be endorsing any or all playcalls, but he is endorsing Tim Beck as a football coach. Quote Link to comment
WoodyHayes1951 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Tom Herman, when needing 1 yard in the Big Ten Championship game, didn't give it to his 1000 yard rusher either time and it ended up costing us the game. Poor decision? I think so, but it only sucks when it doesn't work. He obviously didn't have trouble finding a pretty decent HCing gig. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Beck is a good OC. Our offense has been really good the last couple of years, just look at the numbers. Our defense was the problem, not our offense. Beck will do great, imo. How's about we look at the numbers against teams with a pulse? That's the issue here. People look at our stats like the offense was so great when those numbers were padded against sh#t competition, and usually failed miserably against good teams. Not great teams. Not elite teams. Just "good" teams. Wisconsin last year? Sure the defense gave up 59, but what did the offense do to alleviate the pain when things started going south besides constant turnovers and 3 and outs. Michigan St this year? LOL. Sorry. But that game alone is enough to justify it not being a very good offense. McNeese St? Purdue? Minnesota? I mean, cmon. Ok. Now. I've already admitted my wrong thoughts on Beck. Obviously he's got a good football mind to get the jobs he's gotten. I know that. And now it is clear that here, he probably wasnt the problem. But I jsut dont wanna see this Ohio St hire turn into a topic of retreat that maybe we shoulda kept the guy. it wasnt working here. Not when it mattered. Our qb develepment was garbage. We've had two quys in a row that arguably regressed under his tutaledge, and the offense was erratic and inconsistent. So I just refuse to use stats and "the best offense since 2001" to justify his prowess. What OC in the country does not run up the numbers against sh#t competition? They all do. Frost had amazing numbers all year. Play Ohio St.'s defense and all of the sudden one of the best offenses in the country can only muster 20 points. Or play and undefeated, defending National champion and look better than ever............. Our offense was not that good this year. Sorry, but it wasnt. Watch the games. Look who we played. Who we were successful against, and who we struggled against. Watch the games. I was preachin way back when we played Rutgers and after sloppy performances against them and Purdue, I was predicting 2 losses in the last 3 games BECAUSE OF OUR OFFENSE. Granted the defense gave up over half a hundred at Wiscy, but the offense only scored 17, and like I said, didnt do anything on their behalf either to try to regain control, and went scoreless in the final 3 quarters. What happened in the second half agaisnt Minnesota is laughable. Straight up laughable. And these arent even great teams. Just good teams. Hell, Ohio St was "slowed" by the juggernauts Penn St and Va Tech, but proceeded to light up Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon. Name me the last good team that our offense had a great game against a great opponent. Not necessarily a complete game, cuz that term is kinda weird to me. But just a great game overall. You can thank TA for that, not BeckWho is our QB coach? Who called the play? Who recruited that qb? Ding ding ding, Timmy beck So Beck coached TA to over throw, under throw or throw it to the other team? He didn't coach him not to do those things. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Patrick Maks @maksimuspatrick 22m22 minutes ago Ohio State new co-OC/QB coach Tim Beck takes pay cut, set to earn at least 525K a year according to preliminary deal http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2015/01/48699/ohio-states-tim-beck-will-earn-at-least-525000-signs-preliminary-contract … Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I don't think there's much argument that Tim Beck was overpaid here. 525K is still good coin in my book. Quote Link to comment
QMany Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 It is hard to compare salaries of a sole Offensive Coordinator under a defensive-minded Head Coach to co-Offensive Coordinators under Urban Meyer. Tom Herman only made $550,000 last year. Warriner, $400,000. Quote Link to comment
True2tRA Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 You be pretty crazy to walk into OSU right now wanting to change anything. Meyer may not be endorsing any or all playcalls, but he is endorsing Tim Beck as a football coach. You're right. You'd have to be a moron to come in there and change things. Beck's imprint will be very minor IMO. Beck is there to get an education. What exactly is he going to teach? I'll wait for your answer to that. Please, don't be vague. I also agree, Meyer hiring Beck is an endorsement of Beck as a coach. So again, I sit here wondering what it is Meyer saw in Tim Beck. Still, just because Meyer is endorsing him doesn't mean he's right. It doesn't suddenly make Beck a good coach. This could easily prove to be a mistake. Maybe Becks familiarity with the Big Ten was a factor? Who knows. Too many people forget though, being a coach isn't just about what kind of mad scientist creator you are. As a coach, you're not the one wo has to execute the plan. Being a coach means to teach your players to execute your brilliant scheme in an efficient and effective fashion. I just never really saw any consistent semblance of that. Quote Link to comment
Husker66 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 hes going to be QB coach? yet we didn't have a QB coach when he was here? Quote Link to comment
Count 'Bility Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 hes going to be QB coach? yet we didn't have a QB coach when he was here?beck was the QB coach as well. OC and qb coach. Most programs do this. Assogn the qb responsibilities to the OC. At ohio st hell be Co-OC and qb coach. Officially anyway. Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 How many more people will basically make a post that says that Meyer doesn't know what he is doing? I wish that Porn Stars had message boards...so I could go post there and tell them how they are f****** all wrong. Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You be pretty crazy to walk into OSU right now wanting to change anything. Meyer may not be endorsing any or all playcalls, but he is endorsing Tim Beck as a football coach. You're right. You'd have to be a moron to come in there and change things. Beck's imprint will be very minor IMO. Beck is there to get an education. What exactly is he going to teach? I'll wait for your answer to that. Please, don't be vague. You'd also have to be a moron to pay a guy $550K so you can give him an education and get nothing in return. Quote Link to comment
True2tRA Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 How many more people will basically make a post that says that Meyer doesn't know what he is doing? I wish that Porn Stars had message boards...so I could go post there and tell them how they are f****** all wrong. You be pretty crazy to walk into OSU right now wanting to change anything. Meyer may not be endorsing any or all playcalls, but he is endorsing Tim Beck as a football coach. You're right. You'd have to be a moron to come in there and change things. Beck's imprint will be very minor IMO. Beck is there to get an education. What exactly is he going to teach? I'll wait for your answer to that. Please, don't be vague. You'd also have to be a moron to pay a guy $550K so you can give him an education and get nothing in return. So......... Again I ask. Again. What does he bring to the table? What is Beck going to teach the Ohio St. Offense? Really basic question. Really. You've dodged it once now Guy Chamberlain. As for you Teachercd, I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not, but I literally said the opposite. Urban Meyer knows exactly what he's doing. He's already a coaching legend in my books. So again. Again. I ask. What does Beck bring to the table? What will Beck do for that offense? I'm trying not to be a prick (it's my nature). I'd love to hear what both of your answers are. Your so adamant about this yet, I see no response to the question. Why? Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I don't know if you have ever been on a coaching staff(trust me, if you have not, it makes no difference at all)...I have been on them in different ways (insert sex joke here) I have been on as a new dork (old term for penis from the movie Porky's) where I did not know a thing, I have been on them as a guy with experience, I have been on them as a guy with lots of experience but having to take on knew duties and I have been the HC that has had to dish out assignments. You ask, what will he bring to the table...everything he has ever learned. I don't think you actually understand your question, I think you are either trying to rip on Beck or you are claiming that Meyer knows everything about offense. Maybe I am wrong and you are really just asking... It is a new set of eyes, it is new experiences, it is old experiences...I mean, are you asking if he is going to invent some new forward pass? Probably not. I have had guys on my sidelines that have had years and years of coaching experience that sucked...I have had guys that had never coached before, ever, and came up to me during a game and said "Hey, I think you should try this, I think it will hit" and it did. Maybe my answer sucks...I have no idea...but you asked "why"...I had a coaching class I took...the teacher was stud coach at the high school ranks...he said "I paid 600 dollars for a coaching video on the run and shoot offense, in the end, I only used one play out of the entire video, but it worked, almost all the time and it was worth it, even though my wife thought I was crazy" Sometimes what seems like a crappy investment to others is a great investment to someone else. So, what does he bring? I think he brings exactly what Meyer is looking for...Like you said, a coaching legend...a coaching legend went and hired him. Meyer doesn't strike me as a guy that is doing anyone a favor...for no reason. The last thing I would say is this, NU just hired a guy with a totally average record, but, we sure think he adds a ton of value. Quote Link to comment
True2tRA Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I don't know if you have ever been on a coaching staff(trust me, if you have not, it makes no difference at all)...I have been on them in different ways (insert sex joke here) I have been on as a new dork (old term for penis from the movie Porky's) where I did not know a thing, I have been on them as a guy with experience, I have been on them as a guy with lots of experience but having to take on knew duties and I have been the HC that has had to dish out assignments. You ask, what will he bring to the table...everything he has ever learned. I don't think you actually understand your question, I think you are either trying to rip on Beck or you are claiming that Meyer knows everything about offense. Maybe I am wrong and you are really just asking... It is a new set of eyes, it is new experiences, it is old experiences...I mean, are you asking if he is going to invent some new forward pass? Probably not. I have had guys on my sidelines that have had years and years of coaching experience that sucked...I have had guys that had never coached before, ever, and came up to me during a game and said "Hey, I think you should try this, I think it will hit" and it did. Maybe my answer sucks...I have no idea...but you asked "why"...I had a coaching class I took...the teacher was stud coach at the high school ranks...he said "I paid 600 dollars for a coaching video on the run and shoot offense, in the end, I only used one play out of the entire video, but it worked, almost all the time and it was worth it, even though my wife thought I was crazy" Sometimes what seems like a crappy investment to others is a great investment to someone else. So, what does he bring? I think he brings exactly what Meyer is looking for...Like you said, a coaching legend...a coaching legend went and hired him. Meyer doesn't strike me as a guy that is doing anyone a favor...for no reason. The last thing I would say is this, NU just hired a guy with a totally average record, but, we sure think he adds a ton of value. LOL. Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I don't know if you have ever been on a coaching staff(trust me, if you have not, it makes no difference at all)...I have been on them in different ways (insert sex joke here) I have been on as a new dork (old term for penis from the movie Porky's) where I did not know a thing, I have been on them as a guy with experience, I have been on them as a guy with lots of experience but having to take on knew duties and I have been the HC that has had to dish out assignments. You ask, what will he bring to the table...everything he has ever learned. I don't think you actually understand your question, I think you are either trying to rip on Beck or you are claiming that Meyer knows everything about offense. Maybe I am wrong and you are really just asking... It is a new set of eyes, it is new experiences, it is old experiences...I mean, are you asking if he is going to invent some new forward pass? Probably not. I have had guys on my sidelines that have had years and years of coaching experience that sucked...I have had guys that had never coached before, ever, and came up to me during a game and said "Hey, I think you should try this, I think it will hit" and it did. Maybe my answer sucks...I have no idea...but you asked "why"...I had a coaching class I took...the teacher was stud coach at the high school ranks...he said "I paid 600 dollars for a coaching video on the run and shoot offense, in the end, I only used one play out of the entire video, but it worked, almost all the time and it was worth it, even though my wife thought I was crazy" Sometimes what seems like a crappy investment to others is a great investment to someone else. So, what does he bring? I think he brings exactly what Meyer is looking for...Like you said, a coaching legend...a coaching legend went and hired him. Meyer doesn't strike me as a guy that is doing anyone a favor...for no reason. The last thing I would say is this, NU just hired a guy with a totally average record, but, we sure think he adds a ton of value. LOL. Does that mean Lots of Love? Quote Link to comment
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