BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Who said Taylor paid? I believe there are NCAA rules against a University coaching a player in the off-season. There are a handful of highly sought-after quarterback gurus, and utilizing one doesn't infer failure of the OC. Not sure who paid but TM did spend time with Steve Calhoun in 2012 and 2013. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Why do people on here assume that Beck is walking in the door at tOSU and Urb is just going to hand him the keys? Urb will give Beck a specific set of instructions to follow. Urb will also encourage Beck to poach a player or 2 from NU. Considering none of the players on our commit list were recruited by beck he wont have much luck. Not to mention Riley appears to have this class stitched up I'm not talking about this class. I am talking about players on the team Like? Quote Link to comment
mnhusker Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think Beck going to Ohio State may say a lot about what Meyer thinks of Bo ........ he must feel that Beck has more to offer than he was able to show when working for Bo. Of course that said I would not want Beck near my QB's, he has a horrible track record of developing any kind of depth at QB. Quote Link to comment
Notre Dame Joe Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Who said Taylor paid? I believe there are NCAA rules against a University coaching a player in the off-season. There are a handful of highly sought-after quarterback gurus, and utilizing one doesn't infer failure of the OC. Hopefully not the Whitfield School of Ball Security. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 "Joe never worked out for Beck. He did an unofficial after his sophomore year. It was an underwhelming visit. There was not the recruitment of Joe from the staff you would think from having a Dad and 2 brothers play there, coupled with his ability. That about sums it up." "Joe and my Dad are going to have to sit down with Urban and Beck and discuss a few things. I am sure the recruiting process with Joe and Nebraska will be a topic of discussion." http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/t...632845/page-12 Quote Link to comment
Elf Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 So you guys are saying the old staff that won 9 games every year missed on a 3-star dual threat who committed to his home state team,......and we already have at least four of those on our roster,............. but the new staff that wins about half it's games know something about this guy? The hatred of Bo by a few is getting deep around here.Watched or read anything about Joe Burrow? Kid would have all the tools to return us to championships. Not joking or kidding about it either. Terrific thrower who has the ability to runYep. Do a quick google and look at the kids stats. Rushing, completions, etc.....kid is a beast. And we now have a coach who actually knows how to improve one. I really think some of our kids best days were when they first arrived on campus. Some seemed to get worse......http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/12/ohio_state_qb_joe_burrow_bucke.htmlhttp://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/12/qb_joe_burrow_gives_ohio_state.html Every qb recruit we have has those stats or better and how do you come to that conclusion about Riley when he's never coached one Husker game? High school stats are practically meaningless to me and Rival's lukewarm rating of a guy who plays right in front of their face doesn't get me too excited either. I'm not a big star rating guy but they do mean something.Okay, sorry for interrupting all the enthusiasm. Apparently those stars have meaning to Oregon, Bama, Ohio St... the only time stars don't matter is when you don't coach them up and play them to their strengths. So you guys are saying the old staff that won 9 games every year missed on a 3-star dual threat who committed to his home state team,......and we already have at least four of those on our roster,............. but the new staff that wins about half it's games know something about this guy? The hatred of Bo by a few is getting deep around here.Watched or read anything about Joe Burrow? Kid would have all the tools to return us to championships. Not joking or kidding about it either. Terrific thrower who has the ability to runYep. Do a quick google and look at the kids stats. Rushing, completions, etc.....kid is a beast. And we now have a coach who actually knows how to improve one. I really think some of our kids best days were when they first arrived on campus. Some seemed to get worse......http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/12/ohio_state_qb_joe_burrow_bucke.htmlhttp://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/12/qb_joe_burrow_gives_ohio_state.html Every qb recruit we have has those stats or better and how do you come to that conclusion about Riley when he's never coached one Husker game? High school stats are practically meaningless to me and Rival's lukewarm rating of a guy who plays right in front of their face doesn't get me too excited either. I'm not a big star rating guy but they do mean something.Okay, sorry for interrupting all the enthusiasm. Apparently those stars have meaning to Oregon, Bama, Ohio St... the only time stars don't matter is when you don't coach them up and play them to their strengths.But he only has three stars, so what do you mean by that? I'm not following you.3 stars is not a horrible rating.5 stars = rare prospects 4 stars = outstanding prospects 3 stars = good prospects 2 stars = solid prospects Source: Rivals.com Yeah, I agree....he could be a good player and coaching could have a lot to do with that, but what I read was that he's a superstar that Pelini's lousy staff ignored. That doesn't seem to be the case and just sounds like more BS from the Pelini haters.....who just happen to be the same group of guys making these comments in every thread. In that regard it makes me wonder if this guy has any ability at all or it's just a chance for them to take another shot at Pelini. I won't hold my breathe on this 3-star Ohio guy even coming here. Star ratings aren't always accurate. As far as whether or not this kid is a superstar? If he's got Urban Meyer interested, then I'm interested. Interesting you should say that...same logic can apply to the Tim Beck hire. Sorry, one person had a shot here already, the other one hasn't. Apples to green beans here. We'll probably never know the reasons why Beck's offense was sporadic at NU but I hold no ill will towards the man and hope he succeeds in the future. Quote Link to comment
zoogs Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It was kinda interesting that in the only game Tim Beck coached without Bo Pelini, the Nebraska offense ran 94 plays in an uptempo offense with only one turnover and few penalties, almost 30 more plays than they averaged the rest of the season. I would have guessed it was Beck who had the offense stand-up and look over to the sidelines to get every play call. But since they suddenly stopped doing that for the USC game, I gotta wonder. Yeah, the stop and "check with me" drove me nuts! I'm still just beginning to wrap my head around how thoroughly different the bowl offense looked. With the way Tommy had played all season, he did not seem like the kind of guy you'd ever call upon to throw 40 times a game. And yet he threw 51 times, completing 63% of them, for 381 yards. Pretty solid audition. Quote Link to comment
skersfan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I said run this Fn play or pack your Fn bags. You won't be going with me when I leave this Fn hole and these Fn fans and Fn program. You will do it my way or the FN highway. Not sure this conversation took place, but I would bet a lot of money on it. Most likely every ten minutes or so on game day. Blame the underlings for failure, pay the moron millions and then continue to blame the underlings for failure. There was one reason for Beck's supposed failure, that reason is in Ohio. Beck most likely has more talent than we think, Meyer obviously sees it. Our past leader had no idea how to use it or guide it to succeed. Anyone believing our past coach gave anyone any serious authority/ lee way is amazingly gullible. I am happy the guy is gone, but I think he gave all he was allowed to. Watson seems to have gotten his team to a BCS game. He sucked here. Next year with Beck calling the plays for Ohio State in the playoff, will he still be the loser? We kicked the loser to the curb, these guys most likely are down deep thanking us for doing it. Life had to be hell for them. 1 Quote Link to comment
SWAMI Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Didn't like Beck as OC. IMO, he should have been fired before Bo. No QB development, stubborn, mish mash play calling, square peg in a round hole etc.....Glad Urban picked him up. Guy just didn't get it done at NU. Regardless of Bo, injuries etc....Beck made some great calls and some of the dumbest I have ever seen. Unfortunately, many of the head scratches cost us games...... Great coaches have made bad hires. If Beck shines, is it because he is a good OC or OSU and their 68% blue chip recruits for 2013-2014 (up 17% from 2011-2012). Right behind Bama at 73%.......The talent possessed by OSU would make an average OC (I'm giving Beck credit) look all world. If he succeeds it also gives more evidence that Bo was the biggest problem...... Like everything else i.e. recruits, coaches, ex players etc that move on.....good luck. Lets look forward to what NU has not what they had... Were any of Beck's calls dumber than throwing the bomb on 1st and 10 with a 7 point lead, 2 and a half minutes to go and Bama having only 2 time outs left. That was the single dumbest play I've ever seen. Another high on my list happened in the 1st have of same game: 1st and goal from the 1, a 250 pound QB, and they line up in shot gun with an empty backfield. Sneak the damn thing 3 times if you have to. They were stacking the box and he went for the kill shot. He even said it would have ended the game and he was right. My goodness, play to win the game and don't play to not lose the game. Maybe they should have thrown all 3 times and then faked the punt. Each one would have been ever more surprising to Bama. Play to win the game. Playing to win the game with a 7 point lead means run the clock, and if you don't get a first you punt. Hell, they had the ball at mid-field. Providing you don't get the first you put them in a position where they have to drive 80 yards with under a minute to go. This isn't rocket science. Play to win the game.??? Didn't like Beck as OC. IMO, he should have been fired before Bo. No QB development, stubborn, mish mash play calling, square peg in a round hole etc.....Glad Urban picked him up. Guy just didn't get it done at NU. Regardless of Bo, injuries etc....Beck made some great calls and some of the dumbest I have ever seen. Unfortunately, many of the head scratches cost us games...... Great coaches have made bad hires. If Beck shines, is it because he is a good OC or OSU and their 68% blue chip recruits for 2013-2014 (up 17% from 2011-2012). Right behind Bama at 73%.......The talent possessed by OSU would make an average OC (I'm giving Beck credit) look all world. If he succeeds it also gives more evidence that Bo was the biggest problem...... Like everything else i.e. recruits, coaches, ex players etc that move on.....good luck. Lets look forward to what NU has not what they had... Were any of Beck's calls dumber than throwing the bomb on 1st and 10 with a 7 point lead, 2 and a half minutes to go and Bama having only 2 time outs left. That was the single dumbest play I've ever seen. Another high on my list happened in the 1st have of same game: 1st and goal from the 1, a 250 pound QB, and they line up in shot gun with an empty backfield. Sneak the damn thing 3 times if you have to. They were stacking the box and he went for the kill shot. He even said it would have ended the game and he was right. My goodness, play to win the game and don't play to not lose the game. Maybe they should have thrown all 3 times and then faked the punt. Each one would have been ever more surprising to Bama. Play to win the game. Playing to win the game with a 7 point lead means run the clock, and if you don't get a first you punt. Hell, they had the ball at mid-field. Providing you don't get the first you put them in a position where they have to drive 80 yards with under a minute to go. This isn't rocket science. Play to win the game.??? If you score, it's game over. Is it risky? Of course it is but if you risk nothing, you gain nothing. Your scenario is playing to not lose. And that strategy fails as often as it works. I would agree with your plan if the team was up by 2 or more scores. Or if I knew my opponent had an incredibly crappy 2 minute offense. If neither of these apply, I'm going for more points. And if I think I can grab those points in one long bomb, I'll give it a shot. Wrong with your cliche. In this case if you risk nothing you gain from a running clock. Once again I ask you if it's such a great call why not do it on 2nd and third down, and then fake a punt on 4th. You've never coached have you? Quote Link to comment
SWAMI Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Not sure why everyone seems to think Meyer is the best coach in the country? My uncle joe with a bum leg could coach all that talent to 10+ wins. lol what is this nonsense Just saying. Guys good, sure, but best in the country?Gary Patterson says hello! The best coaches in the country don't need 5 star talent across the board to be "the best coach in the country"! Patterson is good no doubt but Urban is a little better. Patterson is 132-45 in his career. All at TCU Meyer is 141-26 in his career. Split between Utah, Florida and tOSU. Patterson started at TCU in 2000 and Meyer started at Utah in 2001. But the talent level is the difference!Meyer started Utah in 2003 and left in 2004. The WAC. And the Utes have largely held onto their success since. Basically, record is not the whole story. Utah was in the Mountain West then. Yes, it's not a Power 5 conference but going undefeated for a full year is nothing to down play.I don't know how people can say Meyer isn't a good coach. Part of being a college coach is bringing in the talent, and he has done that. With that talent he has won 2 NC's and is in a 3rd NC game tomorrow. His record speaks for itself. You ever wonder why he left Florida? Didn't the story sound a bit odd when you heard it? Scoop. The other SEC coaches had the goods on him and gave him an ultimatum - get out of the conference or we turn you in. Ya, he brings in talent. He also beat Bama. I wouldn't be surprised to see the old school boys from the south break their gentlemen's agreement. Stay tuned. That is one of the most cynical viewpoints of anything I have ever read on the subject. You may very well have written that in total sarcasm, but if not, I just don't understand the cynicism. Is it not possible that he actually left for exactly what he said? Perhaps, he actually felt he had complete imbalance in his life to a point that he was unhealthy and felt it necessary to step away, but he realized he had to come back to his passion after finding a way to balance it out so it didn't cause health issues? I have never understood the principle of going to the most cynical viewpoint first. Not only is the viewpoint expressed in the quoted text incredibly cynic, but conspiracy theorist, as well. Some people do things for reasons you wouldn't. It happens in every single aspect of life; because they choose a certain path does not mean they have something to hide. Take it for what it's worth, but I do not understand the constant cynic. And the winner for the most instances of using the word "cynic" in a post goes to... *carefully opens large envelope* .....BOJ! *award music plays* Well, it was a few, but you think too much? Me thinks you think I made this up. What do you think, think. Award music please. Make it "Hail to the Chief." Quote Link to comment
NUance Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I just wanted to post in this thread, but couldn't think of anything to add. So here's Tim Beck's head. Quote Link to comment
VectorVictor Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 "Joe never worked out for Beck. He did an unofficial after his sophomore year. It was an underwhelming visit. There was not the recruitment of Joe from the staff you would think from having a Dad and 2 brothers play there, coupled with his ability. That about sums it up." "Joe and my Dad are going to have to sit down with Urban and Beck and discuss a few things. I am sure the recruiting process with Joe and Nebraska will be a topic of discussion." http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/t...632845/page-12 Ugh...link no longer works. Forgive my ignorance, but who are we talking about here? Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 "Joe never worked out for Beck. He did an unofficial after his sophomore year. It was an underwhelming visit. There was not the recruitment of Joe from the staff you would think from having a Dad and 2 brothers play there, coupled with his ability. That about sums it up." "Joe and my Dad are going to have to sit down with Urban and Beck and discuss a few things. I am sure the recruiting process with Joe and Nebraska will be a topic of discussion." http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/t...632845/page-12 Ugh...link no longer works. Forgive my ignorance, but who are we talking about here? Joe burrow tOSU QB recruit and Husker legacy Quote Link to comment
VectorVictor Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 "Joe never worked out for Beck. He did an unofficial after his sophomore year. It was an underwhelming visit. There was not the recruitment of Joe from the staff you would think from having a Dad and 2 brothers play there, coupled with his ability. That about sums it up." "Joe and my Dad are going to have to sit down with Urban and Beck and discuss a few things. I am sure the recruiting process with Joe and Nebraska will be a topic of discussion." http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/t...632845/page-12 Ugh...link no longer works. Forgive my ignorance, but who are we talking about here?Joe burrow tOSU QB recruit and Husker legacy Thanks. If he's a legacy and good, there's no excuse for not recruiting him... Quote Link to comment
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