Uh oh, former Coach Kaz

[NUance]

 

 

So that doesn't mean his faith is irrational?

No, it means that faith, of any kind, is irrational.

 

The definition of faith is to have complete trust and confidence in someone or something. I don't think faith, of any kind, is irrational. And I didn't take it as an insult. I just don't agree with you.

 

Faith is irrational, by definition.

 

I agree. That is, I agree to extent that you mean faith is more difficult given a lack of proof. Even Jesus recognized this. He told Doubting Thomas as much.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, Bo really hired some winners on that staff, didn't he.

#CoreValues

 

 

Carl the coke head and philanderer.

Marvin the philanderer, etc.

Ron the homophobe.

Kaz the wife beater.

 

Quite the collection.

 

I won't get into it to much, but it isn't correct to call Ron Brown a homophobe. Disagreeing with something doesn't automatically equal fear and hate.

 

 

This is true. But Ron Brown's statements make him homophobic. They just do.

 

Which statements?

 

 

Where have you been the last few years?

 

 

 

He said gays and lesbians do not deserve the same protections as groups that historically have been discriminated against, such as blacks and women.

"The scriptures teach that blacks were created by God, that women were created by God, but that homosexuals ... that is not what God had in mind at all," Brown said.

Brown said his words should not be interpreted as an attack on homosexuals.

"I have simply said that based on the Bible, homosexuality, the lifestyle of homosexuality, is a sin," he said.

 

These statements are based on his faith, not on fear, which is what homophobia is, a fear of homosexuals.

 

From Websters Dictionary

 

homophobia

noun ho·mo·pho·bia \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

Definition of HOMOPHOBIA

 

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

 

 

FIFY. Is it irrational if Ron Brown opposes homosexuality based on his faith? I don't think he dislikes gay people. He opposes their homosexuality.

 

 

It's a pretty mixed signal to say "hey, I like you, but unless you stop being yourself, you're going to burn in hell."

[NUance]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, Bo really hired some winners on that staff, didn't he.

#CoreValues

 

 

Carl the coke head and philanderer.

Marvin the philanderer, etc.

Ron the homophobe.

Kaz the wife beater.

 

Quite the collection.

 

I won't get into it to much, but it isn't correct to call Ron Brown a homophobe. Disagreeing with something doesn't automatically equal fear and hate.

 

 

This is true. But Ron Brown's statements make him homophobic. They just do.

 

Which statements?

 

 

Where have you been the last few years?

 

 

 

He said gays and lesbians do not deserve the same protections as groups that historically have been discriminated against, such as blacks and women.

"The scriptures teach that blacks were created by God, that women were created by God, but that homosexuals ... that is not what God had in mind at all," Brown said.

Brown said his words should not be interpreted as an attack on homosexuals.

"I have simply said that based on the Bible, homosexuality, the lifestyle of homosexuality, is a sin," he said.

 

These statements are based on his faith, not on fear, which is what homophobia is, a fear of homosexuals.

 

From Websters Dictionary

 

homophobia

noun ho·mo·pho·bia \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

Definition of HOMOPHOBIA

 

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

 

 

FIFY. Is it irrational if Ron Brown opposes homosexuality based on his faith? I don't think he dislikes gay people. He opposes their homosexuality.

 

 

It's a pretty mixed signal to say "hey, I like you, but unless you stop being yourself, you're going to burn in hell."

 

 

So I suppose you'd rather hear someone say, "Hey, I like you. And I think God will like what you're doing even though the bible forbids your action."

 

I dunno about the Ron Brown quote that's in your post. I think he (Ron Brown) would not speak quite that frankly. Although I suspect he might actually believe what you said. Or at least he might believe that the person is sinning by their actions. (I'm pretty sure Ron Brown realizes that it's not up to us (humans) to pronounce who will/will not go to hell.)

[sd'sker]

 

 

 

Wow, Bo really hired some winners on that staff, didn't he.

 

Fairly certain Bo wasn't involved with the domestic abuse.

 

 

This. He may be a poor judge of character, but let's not attribute all of these characteristics to Bo.

 

 

Well, I'm not trying to pin these attributes to Bo himself. Just saying he really hired some gems.

 

That being said, lets see who Bo has kept around with him over the years and rehired at YSU: Carl the coke head and philanderer and Ron the homophobe. So maybe those aren't Bo's attributes, but he seems to be ok with them.

 

and look at who he didn't bring along, paps. so, there's that. good enough to be d.c. at donu, can't find a place for him at ysu. bo was just a f'ing grifter and lunatic and i hope he fails miserably at 'last chance u.'

[StPaulHusker]

 

 

 

 

Wow, Bo really hired some winners on that staff, didn't he.

 

Fairly certain Bo wasn't involved with the domestic abuse.

 

 

This. He may be a poor judge of character, but let's not attribute all of these characteristics to Bo.

 

 

Well, I'm not trying to pin these attributes to Bo himself. Just saying he really hired some gems.

 

That being said, lets see who Bo has kept around with him over the years and rehired at YSU: Carl the coke head and philanderer and Ron the homophobe. So maybe those aren't Bo's attributes, but he seems to be ok with them.

 

and look at who he didn't bring along, paps. so, there's that. good enough to be d.c. at donu, can't find a place for him at ysu. bo was just a f'ing grifter and lunatic and i hope he fails miserably at 'last chance u.'

 

To be fair, Paps maybe didn't want to follow him there. But I see your point.

[sd'sker]

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, Bo really hired some winners on that staff, didn't he.

 

Fairly certain Bo wasn't involved with the domestic abuse.

 

 

This. He may be a poor judge of character, but let's not attribute all of these characteristics to Bo.

 

 

Well, I'm not trying to pin these attributes to Bo himself. Just saying he really hired some gems.

 

That being said, lets see who Bo has kept around with him over the years and rehired at YSU: Carl the coke head and philanderer and Ron the homophobe. So maybe those aren't Bo's attributes, but he seems to be ok with them.

 

and look at who he didn't bring along, paps. so, there's that. good enough to be d.c. at donu, can't find a place for him at ysu. bo was just a f'ing grifter and lunatic and i hope he fails miserably at 'last chance u.'

 

To be fair, Paps maybe didn't want to follow him there. But I see your point.

 

i did think about that. and hopefully he finds a good fit and mentor where he can prosper and become a solid d.c. rather than whatever happened while he was at donu where he was just promoted to further insulate bo from reproach.

[Jeremy]

So, Ron Brown's statements put him in the same camp as a drug-user, philanderers, and a wife beater? Wow.

[Junior]

So, Ron Brown's statements put him in the same camp as a drug-user, philanderers, and a wife beater? Wow.

 

Yes. Replace "Gay" with "Black" and you'll see similarities in his comments to those of racist pro-segregation folks from 60+ years ago. Ironic that it is now a black man trying to discriminate.

 

Frankly, it's well past time for reasonable folks to call these things like they are. You can believe that being gay is a sin against the Christian god. But if you try to legislate against them, it makes you a bigot and a homophobe.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, Bo really hired some winners on that staff, didn't he.

#CoreValues

 

 

Carl the coke head and philanderer.

Marvin the philanderer, etc.

Ron the homophobe.

Kaz the wife beater.

 

Quite the collection.

 

I won't get into it to much, but it isn't correct to call Ron Brown a homophobe. Disagreeing with something doesn't automatically equal fear and hate.

 

 

This is true. But Ron Brown's statements make him homophobic. They just do.

 

Which statements?

 

 

Where have you been the last few years?

 

 

 

He said gays and lesbians do not deserve the same protections as groups that historically have been discriminated against, such as blacks and women.

"The scriptures teach that blacks were created by God, that women were created by God, but that homosexuals ... that is not what God had in mind at all," Brown said.

Brown said his words should not be interpreted as an attack on homosexuals.

"I have simply said that based on the Bible, homosexuality, the lifestyle of homosexuality, is a sin," he said.

 

These statements are based on his faith, not on fear, which is what homophobia is, a fear of homosexuals.

 

From Websters Dictionary

 

homophobia

noun ho·mo·pho·bia \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

Definition of HOMOPHOBIA

 

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

 

 

FIFY. Is it irrational if Ron Brown opposes homosexuality based on his faith? I don't think he dislikes gay people. He opposes their homosexuality.

 

 

It's a pretty mixed signal to say "hey, I like you, but unless you stop being yourself, you're going to burn in hell."

 

 

So I suppose you'd rather hear someone say, "Hey, I like you. And I think God will like what you're doing even though the bible forbids your action."

 

Are those my only two choices?

 

I dunno about the Ron Brown quote that's in your post. I don't think he (Ron Brown) would not speak quite that frankly. Although I suspect he might actually either believe what you said, or at least believe that the person is sinning by their actions.

 

Wait. You're doubting the accuracy of my quote? You don't have to take it on faith NUance. Here's the link:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7855135/nebraska-cornhuskers- aide-ron-brown-faith-demands-anti-gay-stance

 

 

(I'm pretty sure Ron Brown realizes that it's not up to us (humans) to pronounce who will/will not go to hell.)

 

Then he can take his own peculiar comfort that God will eternally punish some of these fine young men he's been coaching, and not actively attempt to block the human definition of marriage.

[NebraskaShellback]

I do think this thread needs to be sealed and locked.

[KazLong]

Remember the good old days when this board was about football? #offseasonsucks

[The Dude]

I do think this thread needs to be sealed and locked.

Or moved since it has nothing to do with Husker football.

[Landlord]

 

So, Ron Brown's statements put him in the same camp as a drug-user, philanderers, and a wife beater? Wow.

 

Yes. Replace "Gay" with "Black" and you'll see similarities in his comments to those of racist pro-segregation folks from 60+ years ago. Ironic that it is now a black man trying to discriminate.

 

Frankly, it's well past time for reasonable folks to call these things like they are. You can believe that being gay is a sin against the Christian god. But if you try to legislate against them, it makes you a bigot and a homophobe.

 

 

 

 

No. Ignorance and evil aren't the same thing. One is conscious and meditated, the other is learned subconscious prejudice that people generally don't have a ton of control over. You don't pick your parents, or where you're born, for example.

 

Not saying that Coach Brown is in the right here, I disagree with his stance, but hitting your wife and consuming hard drugs are different types of things than having a political opinion that you've been taught is right.

[StPaulHusker]

 

 

So, Ron Brown's statements put him in the same camp as a drug-user, philanderers, and a wife beater? Wow.

 

Yes. Replace "Gay" with "Black" and you'll see similarities in his comments to those of racist pro-segregation folks from 60+ years ago. Ironic that it is now a black man trying to discriminate.

 

Frankly, it's well past time for reasonable folks to call these things like they are. You can believe that being gay is a sin against the Christian god. But if you try to legislate against them, it makes you a bigot and a homophobe.

 

 

 

 

No. Ignorance and evil aren't the same thing. One is conscious and meditated, the other is learned subconscious prejudice that people generally don't have a ton of control over. You don't pick your parents, or where you're born, for example.

 

Not saying that Coach Brown is in the right here, I disagree with his stance, but hitting your wife and consuming hard drugs are different types of things than having a political opinion that you've been taught is right.

 

But they are all choices, right?

[Landlord]

But they are all choices, right?

 

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

But,

Choices are never 100% black or white - nobody lives in a vacuum. I feel like there's always degrees of grey, ranging from almost entirely subconscious decisions to "I know for a fact that I should not do this but I want to do it anyways", from whatever kinds of nature or nurture influences, that muddy up the picture.