University of Misery

[knapplc]

Do you want me to describe the entire mechanism with its myriad moving parts on how to combat racism in a major university? I think that would be a little unwieldy, and probably far beyond my area of expertise.

 

What I will tell you is, right or wrong, the buck stops somewhere. It's similar to a college football coach or MLB manager. When the record looks bad, someone's going to take the fall. Riley's going to get fired if he puts in another losing season next year. Maybe there are circumstances beyond his control that led to this losing season and (for argument's sake) next year's. But he's still the guy in charge, the one with the responsibility.

 

You take a job like head football coach or University president understanding that this kind of thing can occur, that you could be out of a job at a moment's notice. The guy qualified for that job knows he's on the hook.

 

 

 

EDIT - ask me if I think the students were 100% in the right. Now that we've gotten this out of the way.

[commando]

i havent followed this so close as to know exactly what happened. does anyone know who was doing the racist stuff? or are they unknown and since no one knows who did it the president must be fired?

[HuskerNation1]

Do you want me to describe the entire mechanism with its myriad moving parts on how to combat racism in a major university? I think that would be a little unwieldy, and probably far beyond my area of expertise.

 

What I will tell you is, right or wrong, the buck stops somewhere. It's similar to a college football coach or MLB manager. When the record looks bad, someone's going to take the fall. Riley's going to get fired if he puts in another losing season next year. Maybe there are circumstances beyond his control that led to this losing season and (for argument's sake) next year's. But he's still the guy in charge, the one with the responsibility.

 

You take a job like head football coach or University president understanding that this kind of thing can occur, that you could be out of a job at a moment's notice. The guy qualified for that job knows he's on the hook.

 

 

 

EDIT - ask me if I think the students were 100% in the right. Now that we've gotten this out of the way.

 

So if the buck stops somewhere, wouldn't it ultimately stop with the POTUS given we have seen racists incidents elsewhere in the country? We had the shooting at the church in South Carolina which was far worse than anything being suggested on Mizzou's campus. Where does the buck stop with that racist act?

[knapplc]

So if the buck stops somewhere, wouldn't it ultimately stop with the POTUS given we have seen racists incidents elsewhere in the country? We had the shooting at the church in South Carolina which was far worse than anything being suggested on Mizzou's campus. Where does the buck stop with that racist act?

Do you believe George Bush was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Or does this line of questioning only occur during Obama's administration?

 

Say Marco Rubio is elected next year. 2017, there's another terrorist attack on American soil. Do you think Rubio should be ousted from the position?

 

Or are you willing to admit this is an apples/oranges comparison, that America is not the United States president's college campus, and leave off this line of questions?

[HuskerNBigD]

Do you want me to describe the entire mechanism with its myriad moving parts on how to combat racism in a major university? I think that would be a little unwieldy, and probably far beyond my area of expertise.

 

What I will tell you is, right or wrong, the buck stops somewhere. It's similar to a college football coach or MLB manager. When the record looks bad, someone's going to take the fall. Riley's going to get fired if he puts in another losing season next year. Maybe there are circumstances beyond his control that led to this losing season and (for argument's sake) next year's. But he's still the guy in charge, the one with the responsibility.

 

You take a job like head football coach or University president understanding that this kind of thing can occur, that you could be out of a job at a moment's notice. The guy qualified for that job knows he's on the hook.

 

 

 

EDIT - ask me if I think the students were 100% in the right. Now that we've gotten this out of the way.

I'll bite, do you think the students were right when they demanded Wolfe to acknowledge his white privileges?

[knapplc]

 

EDIT - ask me if I think the students were 100% in the right. Now that we've gotten this out of the way.

I'll bite, do you think the students were right when they demanded Wolfe to acknowledge his white privileges?

 

No, I don't.

[HuskerNBigD]

 

 

EDIT - ask me if I think the students were 100% in the right. Now that we've gotten this out of the way.

I'll bite, do you think the students were right when they demanded Wolfe to acknowledge his white privileges?

No, I don't.

I figured as much. And I'd probably lean your way a bit more, knapp,if we were to know that these acts were all committed by a like minded group of individuals at Mizzou. If there was evidence of systematic / institutional racism, would a boycott be warranted - maybe. Protesting? Absolutely! But my big argument is this is another example of the opportunistic pack mentality, few people start this out of attention, couple tweets later and someone's head has already rolled. We don't even know that the individuals who dropped the n word were students. Have you been to Columbia? It's pretty damn hooiser, could've been a townie. As for the swastika, that's just some sick sh#t (pun intended) who likes playing with his poop. If I could see hardcore evidence of discrimination and/or hostile acts towards a particular race, I'd be more willing to say someone should've been fired.

[knapplc]

I figured as much. And I'd probably lean your way a bit more, knapp,if we were to know that these acts were all committed by a like minded group of individuals at Mizzou. If there was evidence of systematic / institutional racism, would a boycott be warranted - maybe. Protesting? Absolutely! But my big argument is this is another example of the opportunistic pack mentality, few people start this out of attention, couple tweets later and someone's head has already rolled. We don't even know that the individuals who dropped the n word were students. Have you been to Columbia? It's pretty damn hooiser, could've been a townie. As for the swastika, that's just some sick sh#t (pun intended) who likes playing with his poop. If I could see hardcore evidence of discrimination and/or hostile acts towards a particular race, I'd be more willing to say someone should've been fired.

With the bold, how can you make those distinctions? We can't possibly know that this is true. Further, legally, it doesn't matter if the people who committed those acts were students. Whether they were students or not does not alleviate the University from their obligation of providing a discrimination-free educational environment.

 

Asking for "hardcore evidence of discrimination" is odd to me. What would that be? How much worse does it need to get before action is warranted?

[knapplc]

Regarding the "white privilege" words by the students. That's a pet-peeve phrase of mine, right up there with labeling people as "the Progressives."

 

They're phrases that, to me, say "I'm too lazy to try and understand your position, so I'm going to label you in this broad-brush manner so I can dismiss you."

 

I have no evidence that leads me to believe that Wolfe is any different than any other college president. I wonder how much the students who used the term "white privilege" actually know about him.

[Whistlebritches]

 

So if the buck stops somewhere, wouldn't it ultimately stop with the POTUS given we have seen racists incidents elsewhere in the country? We had the shooting at the church in South Carolina which was far worse than anything being suggested on Mizzou's campus. Where does the buck stop with that racist act?

Do you believe George Bush was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Or does this line of questioning only occur during Obama's administration?

 

Say Marco Rubio is elected next year. 2017, there's another terrorist attack on American soil. Do you think Rubio should be ousted from the position?

 

Or are you willing to admit this is an apples/oranges comparison, that America is not the United States president's college campus, and leave off this line of questions?

 

We should also probably hold Obama accountable for the state of our football program. Things have clearly gotten worse since he's taken office and I'm sure I can find some polling data to back up my opinion.

[NUance]

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have polls, not data. Those are opinions. People think race relations are worse because we have video of cops shooting unarmed black men. That doesn't mean it's demonstrably worse, it means we have evidence.

A poll, or series of polls, are the best data points to show a country's views on a topic. So in the USA Today article you just cited, please explain your facts, and how they speak to the definition of racism?

 

Did you read the article? Here's the direct quote, citing a racist act: "The most recent racist incident came Oct. 24 when a swastika was drawn with human feces on a college dorm's white wall."

 

Art can be interpretive...how does that prove that there is more racism and use of racial slurs at Mizzou than any other campus. I have read a lot of crap on doors in bathrooms, including hateful language against white, Christians, blacks, and gays. If that is what you are basing your "facts" on as real data points, then you need to go to stats 101.

 

So now swastikas are "art?"

 

 

That's what the Progressive have claimed in the past about much of their anti-religious "art" including the time the taxpayer-subsidized Brooklyn Museum of Art ran an exhibit in which a portrait of the Virgin Mary was partly made of pornographic pictures and elephant dung

 

 

 

But again, you are totally off point here. You are claiming that there are hard data points that the campus of Mizzou is uniquely racist because of something put on a wall in a bathroom. Is that your true data point?

 

Yet when others have stated that race relations in the US have gotten worse under Obama, and have shown multiple polls all showing the same trend lines, and that involved large samplings of the population, you claim its just an opinion, but a drawing on the walls of a campus room is a substantial fact to prove your point. LOL

 

 

Yeah, and I can say for certain that Mizzou isn't "uniquely" racist due to this work of "art." There was a bit of brewhaha in Alexandria, Virginia a few years back when some unknown young child (kindergarten thru 3rd) drew a swastika in poop on the bathroom wall of a Catholic elementary school. I seriously doubt if any of those K thru 3rd grade kids are Nazis. I suspect that poop "art" was drawn as a naughty act to get a rise out of the school officials. And I suspect the Mizzou poop art was intended for the same purpose. After all, Mizzou students are basically at the same mental level of K thru 3rd graders, aren't they?

[zoogs]

Man. Basically this whole thing boils down to they got sick of the university's lack of focus (whether that is fair or not) and effected a change. I think it's fair to argue whether that change needed to happen but probably most of us can get on board with the hope that more care taken by the university in this area is a good thing.

[Creighton Duke]

Ohhh gosh. And now this:

 

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

 

 

 

Was The Swastika Incident At Mizzou A Giant Hoax?

[HuskerNBigD]

 

I figured as much. And I'd probably lean your way a bit more, knapp,if we were to know that these acts were all committed by a like minded group of individuals at Mizzou. If there was evidence of systematic / institutional racism, would a boycott be warranted - maybe. Protesting? Absolutely! But my big argument is this is another example of the opportunistic pack mentality, few people start this out of attention, couple tweets later and someone's head has already rolled. We don't even know that the individuals who dropped the n word were students. Have you been to Columbia? It's pretty damn hooiser, could've been a townie. As for the swastika, that's just some sick sh#t (pun intended) who likes playing with his poop. If I could see hardcore evidence of discrimination and/or hostile acts towards a particular race, I'd be more willing to say someone should've been fired.

With the bold, how can you make those distinctions? We can't possibly know that this is true. Further, legally, it doesn't matter if the people who committed those acts were students. Whether they were students or not does not alleviate the University from their obligation of providing a discrimination-free educational environment.

 

Asking for "hardcore evidence of discrimination" is odd to me. What would that be? How much worse does it need to get before action is warranted?

 

 

On the flip side, we can't possibly know that it is 100% true. The university can account for its students and really that is it. If some townie decides to get all racist - what can the university do? Again, you can't be 100% accountable for the 20K+ students and 80,000 citizens of the town. Hardcore evidence, meaning more than a couple n words from individuals that can not be confirmed as students.

[knapplc]

Ohhh gosh. And now this:

 

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

 

Was The Swastika Incident At Mizzou A Giant Hoax?

 

You have to allow for that kind of thing. I guess I'm cynical enough that I pondered that possibility from the beginning.

 

I mean really - a swastika made of poop? ...why?

 

Even if the poop swastika was a hoax - and I'm finding zero photographic evidence of it in my 30-second google search - a swastika drawn in ashes in April wasn't a hoax.

 

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/crime/mu-student-accused-of-hate-crime-pleads-guilty-to-lesser/article_65dd266f-40d4-58ba-b38a-321233c798b9.html