The General Election

[mrandyk]

 

Is this real life? Is this really what presidential campaigns look like at this point?

[BigRedBuster]

I think this might be how you attack Trump. Use Trump's own words to show how ridiculous he is. And he is so feeble that it totally gets under his skin and puts him "on tilt", to borrow a poker term.

 

From Hillary last night:

 

This is a man who said that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including Saudi Arabia.

 

This is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in NATO – the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before they strike us at home.

 

He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008.

 

[Applause]

 

He has said that he would order our military to carry out torture and the murder of civilians who are related to suspected terrorists – even though those are war crimes.

 

He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or our admirals, our ambassadors and other high officials, because he has – quote – “a very good brain.”

 

[Laughter]

 

He also said, “I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.” You know what? I don’t believe him.

 

[Applause]

 

He says climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese, and he has the gall to say that prisoners of war like John McCain aren’t heroes.

 

Exactly.

 

He praises dictators like Vladimir Putin and picks fights with our friends – including the British prime minister, the mayor of London, the German chancellor, the president of Mexico and the Pope.

 

[Applause]

 

He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.

 

And to top it off, he believes America is weak. An embarrassment. He called our military a disaster. He said we are – and I quote – a “third-world country.” And he’s been saying things like that for decades...

 

Compare that with what Trump wants to do. His economic plans would add more than $30 trillion – that’s trillion with a “t” – $30 trillion to our national debt over the next 20 years. He has no ideas on education. No ideas on innovation. He has a lot of ideas about who to blame, but no clue about what to do...

 

And it’s no small thing when he suggests that America should withdraw our military support for Japan, encourage them to get nuclear weapons, and said this about a war between Japan and North Korea – and I quote – “If they do, they do. Good luck, enjoy yourself, folks.”...

 

But it doesn’t work like that in world affairs. Just like being interviewed on the same episode of “60 Minutes” as Putin was, is not the same thing as actually dealing with Putin....

 

So the stakes in global statecraft are infinitely higher and more complex than in the world of luxury hotels. We all know the tools Donald Trump brings to the table – bragging, mocking, composing nasty tweets – I’m willing to bet he’s writing a few right now.

 

And I have to say, I don’t understand Donald’s bizarre fascination with dictators and strongmen who have no love for America. He praised China for the Tiananmen Square massacre; he said it showed strength. He said, “You’ve got to give Kim Jong Un credit” for taking over North Korea – something he did by murdering everyone he saw as a threat, including his own uncle, which Donald described gleefully, like he was recapping an action movie. And he said if he were grading Vladimir Putin as a leader, he’d give him an A.

 

Now, I’ll leave it to the psychiatrists to explain his affection for tyrants.

 

 

And...it's so easy....unless, well, you are one of the people who refuse to stop being buffaloed by him.

[It'sNotAFakeID]

 

 

 

 

 

MSNBC was disgusting in not even acknowledging memorial day. They spent half the day talking about a stupid Gorilla in Chicago instead of honoring those who have died for this country.

I've never watched MSNBC so I have no proof that this allegation is false. But there's zero chance a major news outlet didn't "even acknowledge Memorial Day."

 

Where does stuff like this come from? Who thinks this is true?

 

Unless someone watched literally every minute of MSNBC then there's no way to make that statement factually.

 

Plus, I don't mean to be offensive to any veterans, current military members, etc., but what do people expect? Wall to wall coverage? It's an important holiday but it doesn't keep eye balls. Politics, breaking news, the Cincinnati Zoo incident... that's what keeps people watching TV.

 

It's called using the internet looking at MSNBC's website and pulling up stories about it. Not to mention flipping between channels since it was raining like a MF'er out here on that day and we couldn't do squat for it. The closest thing that they came to was Obama's speech at Arlington National Cemetery.

 

http://www.msnbc.com/search/memorial%20day?f[0]=bundle%3Atheplatform_video

 

The first part of your question about what people expect is quite alarming to say the least. Do you not know what Memorial Day is about? Apparently you don't so let me tell you It is about honoring all of the thousands of brave people who made the ultimate sacrifice for people to have the freedoms that they enjoy today. For those of us that are still serving or have served, we don't expect anything for doing our jobs, it's about honoring those who didn't come back. It isn't just a day off so people to only talk about a stupid gorilla (for example) and trying to act like it's life is as valuable as a human beings. That is what is concerning and dangerous about the left as they care more about taking flags off of fire trucks, stopping the pledge of allegiance, not allowing people to say "so help me God in schools" even though it doesn't say which god, you could be saying it to the spaghetti monster if that is your God. But will legislate that mentally ill people get to pick which bathroom they want to use. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

As bad as the Republican Party is messed up (and it is very messed up) the Democratic Party is messed up even worse.

 

Again, unless you physically watched an entire day's worth of MSNBC coverage, either online or on TV, your statement is unfounded. "Flipping through channels" and "pulling up stories" is like saying you read a book by flipping through chapters and occasionally reading some excerpts.

 

I also just did a google search and found four different stories, including two video tributes, they aired over Memorial Day weekend.

 

Lastly, I'm incredibly offended by your asinine, holier-than-thou assumption about what I do and don't know about Memorial Day. You know nothing about me, my military service or my family's military service. I just have a different perspective than you. I spent 3 hours Monday with local groups laying flags on fallen soldier memorials and unnamed graves, not trolling through MSNBC's website. But, apparently I don't know anything about the day.

 

I answered your question, it isn't my fault that you got thin skinned feelings hurt. Don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answer too.

 

 

Here's Enhance's argument: "The claim that MSNBC did nothing to pay homage to Memorial Day doesn't hold water unless someone watched all 24 hours of MSNBC's Memorial Day programming." He then goes on to show that MSNBC did in fact air four different stories--including two video tributes--that aired over Memorial Day weekend. Is that less than other news programming? Perhaps, and that's completely up to the MSNBC's producers. Point is, you can't make a sweeping judgment about MSNBC's lack of respect for Memorial Day by watching just a few hours of programming.

 

You could do the same thing with Fox, CNN, ABC, HLN, Al Jazeera, or whatever and wind up with the same argument. You want to bet that Fox News or CNN weren't talking about the gorilla incident or any other news that just happened to occur on or over Memorial Day weekend? I'll happily take you up on that offer. News companies report news and rarely--if ever--will Memorial Day be the sole story of the day. In the unfortunate event that a mass shooting occurred on Memorial Day, do you expect news companies to not cover that story?

 

No where in any of his posts did he even bring up a disrespect towards Memorial Day or armed forces veterans in any way. That is an assumption made on your end that led you to act foolishly, and then you're blaming someone else for being offended by your assumption. I know many, many people who silently and not so silently observe Memorial Day, the day dedicated to all the brave men and women, such as yourself, who willingly risked everything in defense of our great country. To question people's respect for our veterans without any proof whatsoever is pretty misguided.

 

I have a great respect for our armed forces. My brother-in-law is a Marine officer currently serving overseas, and I cannot begin to imagine the difficulty in being separated from the person he loves, in a place far removed from the USA. Yet he, and many others, bravely solider on, knowing that any day might be their last; they know they must protect their country of people most of whom they'll never meet.

 

What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is those who boisterously demand to be respected because of their service. I, and many others, already respect these individuals--the uniform, wounds, titles, do enough to garner respect.

[zoogs]

Memorial Day: that time of year when Americans come together and put down Americans with other political views as unAmerican. In the name of veterans. Many of whom likely share those views.

[teachercd]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still haven't figured out how illegals don't pay taxes or when Obama apologized in such a horrible and embarrassing way.

Just a guess here but don't you think a lot of them do manual labor jobs and get paid in cash...under the table? In which case their wages are not being taxed? I suppose that is one way.

 

Don't you think the IRS would ask questions about a construction company that builds 100 houses a year with only one framer? Or the orange groves that are harvested by one farmer? Or the meat packing plant that produces millions of pounds of beef with a couple butchers? Yes, there are some illegals that work for cash; there are also a lot of born'n'bred Muricans that also work for cash to avoid taxes.

 

edit: I'm only using these jobs since you mentioned manual labor. There are also illegal immigrants (from many different nations, not just Central and South American countries) working in retail, food service, travel and tourism, office jobs, and just about any other job/careers you can think of. Not many of these positions are set up to pay in cash.

 

I think it depends...You got a lawn care company and you have 12 dudes working for you and 4 of them are illegal. I don't think questions would get asked.

 

In college I worked lawn care...we were paid in cash under the table. There were like 6 of us I think, maybe 5, that worked for the guy. I think that is pretty common

 

I guess my point is that is one way that they (myself included back then) don't pay taxes.

 

I'm not naive enough to deny that doesn't happen. However, the little googling I have done on this today has shown me that there are roughly 11.1 million illegals that work in a place that takes payroll taxes out of their checks. Obviously there are probably more illegals than that in the US. However, some of those would be children, elderly or spouses that don't work.

 

I'm guessing the number that get paid under the table and don't pay payroll taxes are a relatively small percentage of the working illegal immigrants. And....even those are going to pay sales tax....etc.

 

Funny thing is.....I know white documented Americans that get paid under the table so they don't have to pay taxes too. I guess that's OK though.

 

I know lots of people that get paid under the table, I have myself. I was just answering your question that you asked.

 

I don't know why you think it is okay for white documented workers to get paid under that table, but seemed like an odd statement.

 

It was a sarcastic statement.

 

Ah, got it! I thought you said it because you really meant it.

My bad!

[darkhorse85]

Memorial Day: that time of year when Americans come together and put down Americans with other political views as unAmerican. In the name of veterans. Many of whom likely share those views.

 

No, we save that for Veteran's Day actually.

 

Not actually. Speaking for just myself here, I couldn't care less what other people do on Memorial Day or any other day of the year for that matter. Last time I checked I swore an oath to defend the people of this Nation's right to do whatever the hell they want. I cringe when I see other vets calling people out for petty BS. Get over yourself.

[AFhusker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

MSNBC was disgusting in not even acknowledging memorial day. They spent half the day talking about a stupid Gorilla in Chicago instead of honoring those who have died for this country.

I've never watched MSNBC so I have no proof that this allegation is false. But there's zero chance a major news outlet didn't "even acknowledge Memorial Day."

 

Where does stuff like this come from? Who thinks this is true?

 

Unless someone watched literally every minute of MSNBC then there's no way to make that statement factually.

 

Plus, I don't mean to be offensive to any veterans, current military members, etc., but what do people expect? Wall to wall coverage? It's an important holiday but it doesn't keep eye balls. Politics, breaking news, the Cincinnati Zoo incident... that's what keeps people watching TV.

 

It's called using the internet looking at MSNBC's website and pulling up stories about it. Not to mention flipping between channels since it was raining like a MF'er out here on that day and we couldn't do squat for it. The closest thing that they came to was Obama's speech at Arlington National Cemetery.

 

http://www.msnbc.com/search/memorial%20day?f[0]=bundle%3Atheplatform_video

 

The first part of your question about what people expect is quite alarming to say the least. Do you not know what Memorial Day is about? Apparently you don't so let me tell you It is about honoring all of the thousands of brave people who made the ultimate sacrifice for people to have the freedoms that they enjoy today. For those of us that are still serving or have served, we don't expect anything for doing our jobs, it's about honoring those who didn't come back. It isn't just a day off so people to only talk about a stupid gorilla (for example) and trying to act like it's life is as valuable as a human beings. That is what is concerning and dangerous about the left as they care more about taking flags off of fire trucks, stopping the pledge of allegiance, not allowing people to say "so help me God in schools" even though it doesn't say which god, you could be saying it to the spaghetti monster if that is your God. But will legislate that mentally ill people get to pick which bathroom they want to use. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

As bad as the Republican Party is messed up (and it is very messed up) the Democratic Party is messed up even worse.

 

Again, unless you physically watched an entire day's worth of MSNBC coverage, either online or on TV, your statement is unfounded. "Flipping through channels" and "pulling up stories" is like saying you read a book by flipping through chapters and occasionally reading some excerpts.

 

I also just did a google search and found four different stories, including two video tributes, they aired over Memorial Day weekend.

 

Lastly, I'm incredibly offended by your asinine, holier-than-thou assumption about what I do and don't know about Memorial Day. You know nothing about me, my military service or my family's military service. I just have a different perspective than you. I spent 3 hours Monday with local groups laying flags on fallen soldier memorials and unnamed graves, not trolling through MSNBC's website. But, apparently I don't know anything about the day.

 

I answered your question, it isn't my fault that you got thin skinned feelings hurt. Don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answer too.

 

 

Here's Enhance's argument: "The claim that MSNBC did nothing to pay homage to Memorial Day doesn't hold water unless someone watched all 24 hours of MSNBC's Memorial Day programming." He then goes on to show that MSNBC did in fact air four different stories--including two video tributes--that aired over Memorial Day weekend. Is that less than other news programming? Perhaps, and that's completely up to the MSNBC's producers. Point is, you can't make a sweeping judgment about MSNBC's lack of respect for Memorial Day by watching just a few hours of programming.

 

You could do the same thing with Fox, CNN, ABC, HLN, Al Jazeera, or whatever and wind up with the same argument. You want to bet that Fox News or CNN weren't talking about the gorilla incident or any other news that just happened to occur on or over Memorial Day weekend? I'll happily take you up on that offer. News companies report news and rarely--if ever--will Memorial Day be the sole story of the day. In the unfortunate event that a mass shooting occurred on Memorial Day, do you expect news companies to not cover that story?

 

No where in any of his posts did he even bring up a disrespect towards Memorial Day or armed forces veterans in any way. That is an assumption made on your end that led you to act foolishly, and then you're blaming someone else for being offended by your assumption. I know many, many people who silently and not so silently observe Memorial Day, the day dedicated to all the brave men and women, such as yourself, who willingly risked everything in defense of our great country. To question people's respect for our veterans without any proof whatsoever is pretty misguided.

 

I have a great respect for our armed forces. My brother-in-law is a Marine officer currently serving overseas, and I cannot begin to imagine the difficulty in being separated from the person he loves, in a place far removed from the USA. Yet he, and many others, bravely solider on, knowing that any day might be their last; they know they must protect their country of people most of whom they'll never meet.

 

What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is those who boisterously demand to be respected because of their service. I, and many others, already respect these individuals--the uniform, wounds, titles, do enough to garner respect.

 

Apparently you or those who are +1'ing you lack reading comprehension. He asked a very dumb question asking "what I expected, all day coverage?" The sarcasm in that question and the premise was disrespectful in it's tone in itself. Next,when did I "boisterously demand to be respected because of their (my) service?" I even said that those to include myself don't want sh#t from anyone. It is for those who made the ultimate sacrifice and died for this country.

[AFhusker]

 

Memorial Day: that time of year when Americans come together and put down Americans with other political views as unAmerican. In the name of veterans. Many of whom likely share those views.

 

No, we save that for Veteran's Day actually.

 

Not actually. Speaking for just myself here, I couldn't care less what other people do on Memorial Day or any other day of the year for that matter. Last time I checked I swore an oath to defend the people of this Nation's right to do whatever the hell they want. I cringe when I see other vets calling people out for petty BS. Get over yourself.

 

Nobody was getting called out except for MSNBC. Nice try at spinning it that way though.

[AR Husker Fan]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MSNBC was disgusting in not even acknowledging memorial day. They spent half the day talking about a stupid Gorilla in Chicago instead of honoring those who have died for this country.

 

I've never watched MSNBC so I have no proof that this allegation is false. But there's zero chance a major news outlet didn't "even acknowledge Memorial Day."

Where does stuff like this come from? Who thinks this is true?

Unless someone watched literally every minute of MSNBC then there's no way to make that statement factually.

 

Plus, I don't mean to be offensive to any veterans, current military members, etc., but what do people expect? Wall to wall coverage? It's an important holiday but it doesn't keep eye balls. Politics, breaking news, the Cincinnati Zoo incident... that's what keeps people watching TV.

It's called using the internet looking at MSNBC's website and pulling up stories about it. Not to mention flipping between channels since it was raining like a MF'er out here on that day and we couldn't do squat for it. The closest thing that they came to was Obama's speech at Arlington National Cemetery.

 

=bundle%3Atheplatform_video]http://www.msnbc.com/search/memorial%20day?f[0]=bundle%3Atheplatform_video

 

The first part of your question about what people expect is quite alarming to say the least. Do you not know what Memorial Day is about? Apparently you don't so let me tell you It is about honoring all of the thousands of brave people who made the ultimate sacrifice for people to have the freedoms that they enjoy today. For those of us that are still serving or have served, we don't expect anything for doing our jobs, it's about honoring those who didn't come back. It isn't just a day off so people to only talk about a stupid gorilla (for example) and trying to act like it's life is as valuable as a human beings. That is what is concerning and dangerous about the left as they care more about taking flags off of fire trucks, stopping the pledge of allegiance, not allowing people to say "so help me God in schools" even though it doesn't say which god, you could be saying it to the spaghetti monster if that is your God. But will legislate that mentally ill people get to pick which bathroom they want to use. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

As bad as the Republican Party is messed up (and it is very messed up) the Democratic Party is messed up even worse.

Again, unless you physically watched an entire day's worth of MSNBC coverage, either online or on TV, your statement is unfounded. "Flipping through channels" and "pulling up stories" is like saying you read a book by flipping through chapters and occasionally reading some excerpts.

 

I also just did a google search and found four different stories, including two video tributes, they aired over Memorial Day weekend.

 

Lastly, I'm incredibly offended by your asinine, holier-than-thou assumption about what I do and don't know about Memorial Day. You know nothing about me, my military service or my family's military service. I just have a different perspective than you. I spent 3 hours Monday with local groups laying flags on fallen soldier memorials and unnamed graves, not trolling through MSNBC's website. But, apparently I don't know anything about the day.

I answered your question, it isn't my fault that you got thin skinned feelings hurt. Don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answer too.

Here's Enhance's argument: "The claim that MSNBC did nothing to pay homage to Memorial Day doesn't hold water unless someone watched all 24 hours of MSNBC's Memorial Day programming." He then goes on to show that MSNBC did in fact air four different stories--including two video tributes--that aired over Memorial Day weekend. Is that less than other news programming? Perhaps, and that's completely up to the MSNBC's producers. Point is, you can't make a sweeping judgment about MSNBC's lack of respect for Memorial Day by watching just a few hours of programming.

 

You could do the same thing with Fox, CNN, ABC, HLN, Al Jazeera, or whatever and wind up with the same argument. You want to bet that Fox News or CNN weren't talking about the gorilla incident or any other news that just happened to occur on or over Memorial Day weekend? I'll happily take you up on that offer. News companies report news and rarely--if ever--will Memorial Day be the sole story of the day. In the unfortunate event that a mass shooting occurred on Memorial Day, do you expect news companies to not cover that story?

 

No where in any of his posts did he even bring up a disrespect towards Memorial Day or armed forces veterans in any way. That is an assumption made on your end that led you to act foolishly, and then you're blaming someone else for being offended by your assumption. I know many, many people who silently and not so silently observe Memorial Day, the day dedicated to all the brave men and women, such as yourself, who willingly risked everything in defense of our great country. To question people's respect for our veterans without any proof whatsoever is pretty misguided.

 

I have a great respect for our armed forces. My brother-in-law is a Marine officer currently serving overseas, and I cannot begin to imagine the difficulty in being separated from the person he loves, in a place far removed from the USA. Yet he, and many others, bravely solider on, knowing that any day might be their last; they know they must protect their country of people most of whom they'll never meet.

 

What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is those who boisterously demand to be respected because of their service. I, and many others, already respect these individuals--the uniform, wounds, titles, do enough to garner respect.

Apparently you or those who are +1'ing you lack reading comprehension. He asked a very dumb question asking "what I expected, all day coverage?" The sarcasm in that question and the premise was disrespectful in it's tone in itself. Next,when did I "boisterously demand to be respected because of their (my) service?" I even said that those to include myself don't want sh#t from anyone. It is for those who made the ultimate sacrifice and died for this country.

AFhusker's account is suspended for 30 days for the personal attack. This now makes 4 that have been suspended because they insist on taking shots and making personal attacks on other members. Again, there is simply no reason for it. Attack the post and not the poster.

[funhusker]

 

 

 

 

 

I still haven't figured out how illegals don't pay taxes or when Obama apologized in such a horrible and embarrassing way.

Just a guess here but don't you think a lot of them do manual labor jobs and get paid in cash...under the table? In which case their wages are not being taxed? I suppose that is one way.

 

Don't you think the IRS would ask questions about a construction company that builds 100 houses a year with only one framer? Or the orange groves that are harvested by one farmer? Or the meat packing plant that produces millions of pounds of beef with a couple butchers? Yes, there are some illegals that work for cash; there are also a lot of born'n'bred Muricans that also work for cash to avoid taxes.

 

edit: I'm only using these jobs since you mentioned manual labor. There are also illegal immigrants (from many different nations, not just Central and South American countries) working in retail, food service, travel and tourism, office jobs, and just about any other job/careers you can think of. Not many of these positions are set up to pay in cash.

 

I think it depends...You got a lawn care company and you have 12 dudes working for you and 4 of them are illegal. I don't think questions would get asked.

 

In college I worked lawn care...we were paid in cash under the table. There were like 6 of us I think, maybe 5, that worked for the guy. I think that is pretty common

 

I guess my point is that is one way that they (myself included back then) don't pay taxes.

 

How do they avoid sales tax?

 

Two totally different taxes. Sales tax has nothing to do with income tax.

 

no sh#t..

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still haven't figured out how illegals don't pay taxes or when Obama apologized in such a horrible and embarrassing way.

Just a guess here but don't you think a lot of them do manual labor jobs and get paid in cash...under the table? In which case their wages are not being taxed? I suppose that is one way.

 

Don't you think the IRS would ask questions about a construction company that builds 100 houses a year with only one framer? Or the orange groves that are harvested by one farmer? Or the meat packing plant that produces millions of pounds of beef with a couple butchers? Yes, there are some illegals that work for cash; there are also a lot of born'n'bred Muricans that also work for cash to avoid taxes.

 

edit: I'm only using these jobs since you mentioned manual labor. There are also illegal immigrants (from many different nations, not just Central and South American countries) working in retail, food service, travel and tourism, office jobs, and just about any other job/careers you can think of. Not many of these positions are set up to pay in cash.

 

I think it depends...You got a lawn care company and you have 12 dudes working for you and 4 of them are illegal. I don't think questions would get asked.

 

In college I worked lawn care...we were paid in cash under the table. There were like 6 of us I think, maybe 5, that worked for the guy. I think that is pretty common

 

I guess my point is that is one way that they (myself included back then) don't pay taxes.

 

How do they avoid sales tax?

 

Two totally different taxes. Sales tax has nothing to do with income tax.

 

no sh#t..

 

That wasn't clarified in the original claim.

 

However, I'm pretty sure the information above has debunked the myth that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. At least the vast majority of them.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MSNBC was disgusting in not even acknowledging memorial day. They spent half the day talking about a stupid Gorilla in Chicago instead of honoring those who have died for this country.

I've never watched MSNBC so I have no proof that this allegation is false. But there's zero chance a major news outlet didn't "even acknowledge Memorial Day."

Where does stuff like this come from? Who thinks this is true?

Unless someone watched literally every minute of MSNBC then there's no way to make that statement factually.

 

Plus, I don't mean to be offensive to any veterans, current military members, etc., but what do people expect? Wall to wall coverage? It's an important holiday but it doesn't keep eye balls. Politics, breaking news, the Cincinnati Zoo incident... that's what keeps people watching TV.

It's called using the internet looking at MSNBC's website and pulling up stories about it. Not to mention flipping between channels since it was raining like a MF'er out here on that day and we couldn't do squat for it. The closest thing that they came to was Obama's speech at Arlington National Cemetery.

 

=bundle%3Atheplatform_video]http://www.msnbc.com/search/memorial%20day?f[0]=bundle%3Atheplatform_video

 

The first part of your question about what people expect is quite alarming to say the least. Do you not know what Memorial Day is about? Apparently you don't so let me tell you It is about honoring all of the thousands of brave people who made the ultimate sacrifice for people to have the freedoms that they enjoy today. For those of us that are still serving or have served, we don't expect anything for doing our jobs, it's about honoring those who didn't come back. It isn't just a day off so people to only talk about a stupid gorilla (for example) and trying to act like it's life is as valuable as a human beings. That is what is concerning and dangerous about the left as they care more about taking flags off of fire trucks, stopping the pledge of allegiance, not allowing people to say "so help me God in schools" even though it doesn't say which god, you could be saying it to the spaghetti monster if that is your God. But will legislate that mentally ill people get to pick which bathroom they want to use. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

As bad as the Republican Party is messed up (and it is very messed up) the Democratic Party is messed up even worse.

Again, unless you physically watched an entire day's worth of MSNBC coverage, either online or on TV, your statement is unfounded. "Flipping through channels" and "pulling up stories" is like saying you read a book by flipping through chapters and occasionally reading some excerpts.

 

I also just did a google search and found four different stories, including two video tributes, they aired over Memorial Day weekend.

 

Lastly, I'm incredibly offended by your asinine, holier-than-thou assumption about what I do and don't know about Memorial Day. You know nothing about me, my military service or my family's military service. I just have a different perspective than you. I spent 3 hours Monday with local groups laying flags on fallen soldier memorials and unnamed graves, not trolling through MSNBC's website. But, apparently I don't know anything about the day.

I answered your question, it isn't my fault that you got thin skinned feelings hurt. Don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answer too.

Here's Enhance's argument: "The claim that MSNBC did nothing to pay homage to Memorial Day doesn't hold water unless someone watched all 24 hours of MSNBC's Memorial Day programming." He then goes on to show that MSNBC did in fact air four different stories--including two video tributes--that aired over Memorial Day weekend. Is that less than other news programming? Perhaps, and that's completely up to the MSNBC's producers. Point is, you can't make a sweeping judgment about MSNBC's lack of respect for Memorial Day by watching just a few hours of programming.

 

You could do the same thing with Fox, CNN, ABC, HLN, Al Jazeera, or whatever and wind up with the same argument. You want to bet that Fox News or CNN weren't talking about the gorilla incident or any other news that just happened to occur on or over Memorial Day weekend? I'll happily take you up on that offer. News companies report news and rarely--if ever--will Memorial Day be the sole story of the day. In the unfortunate event that a mass shooting occurred on Memorial Day, do you expect news companies to not cover that story?

 

No where in any of his posts did he even bring up a disrespect towards Memorial Day or armed forces veterans in any way. That is an assumption made on your end that led you to act foolishly, and then you're blaming someone else for being offended by your assumption. I know many, many people who silently and not so silently observe Memorial Day, the day dedicated to all the brave men and women, such as yourself, who willingly risked everything in defense of our great country. To question people's respect for our veterans without any proof whatsoever is pretty misguided.

 

I have a great respect for our armed forces. My brother-in-law is a Marine officer currently serving overseas, and I cannot begin to imagine the difficulty in being separated from the person he loves, in a place far removed from the USA. Yet he, and many others, bravely solider on, knowing that any day might be their last; they know they must protect their country of people most of whom they'll never meet.

 

What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is those who boisterously demand to be respected because of their service. I, and many others, already respect these individuals--the uniform, wounds, titles, do enough to garner respect.

Apparently you or those who are +1'ing you lack reading comprehension. He asked a very dumb question asking "what I expected, all day coverage?" The sarcasm in that question and the premise was disrespectful in it's tone in itself. Next,when did I "boisterously demand to be respected because of their (my) service?" I even said that those to include myself don't want sh#t from anyone. It is for those who made the ultimate sacrifice and died for this country.

AFhusker's account is suspended for 30 days for the personal attack. This now makes 4 that have been suspended because they insist on taking shots and making personal attacks on other members. Again, there is simply no reason for it. Attack the post and not the poster.

 

 

Speaking strictly as a poster inclined to disagree with AFHusker, I consider the bolded insult fairly mild and his 30 day suspension unnecessary.

 

People do ask dumb questions and jump to conclusions without reading. This went more to the tenor of the argument.

 

The internet is full of horrible personal attacks, but I don't consider this one of them.

[Moiraine]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MSNBC was disgusting in not even acknowledging memorial day. They spent half the day talking about a stupid Gorilla in Chicago instead of honoring those who have died for this country.

I've never watched MSNBC so I have no proof that this allegation is false. But there's zero chance a major news outlet didn't "even acknowledge Memorial Day."

Where does stuff like this come from? Who thinks this is true?

Unless someone watched literally every minute of MSNBC then there's no way to make that statement factually.

 

Plus, I don't mean to be offensive to any veterans, current military members, etc., but what do people expect? Wall to wall coverage? It's an important holiday but it doesn't keep eye balls. Politics, breaking news, the Cincinnati Zoo incident... that's what keeps people watching TV.

It's called using the internet looking at MSNBC's website and pulling up stories about it. Not to mention flipping between channels since it was raining like a MF'er out here on that day and we couldn't do squat for it. The closest thing that they came to was Obama's speech at Arlington National Cemetery.

 

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The first part of your question about what people expect is quite alarming to say the least. Do you not know what Memorial Day is about? Apparently you don't so let me tell you It is about honoring all of the thousands of brave people who made the ultimate sacrifice for people to have the freedoms that they enjoy today. For those of us that are still serving or have served, we don't expect anything for doing our jobs, it's about honoring those who didn't come back. It isn't just a day off so people to only talk about a stupid gorilla (for example) and trying to act like it's life is as valuable as a human beings. That is what is concerning and dangerous about the left as they care more about taking flags off of fire trucks, stopping the pledge of allegiance, not allowing people to say "so help me God in schools" even though it doesn't say which god, you could be saying it to the spaghetti monster if that is your God. But will legislate that mentally ill people get to pick which bathroom they want to use. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

As bad as the Republican Party is messed up (and it is very messed up) the Democratic Party is messed up even worse.

Again, unless you physically watched an entire day's worth of MSNBC coverage, either online or on TV, your statement is unfounded. "Flipping through channels" and "pulling up stories" is like saying you read a book by flipping through chapters and occasionally reading some excerpts.

 

I also just did a google search and found four different stories, including two video tributes, they aired over Memorial Day weekend.

 

Lastly, I'm incredibly offended by your asinine, holier-than-thou assumption about what I do and don't know about Memorial Day. You know nothing about me, my military service or my family's military service. I just have a different perspective than you. I spent 3 hours Monday with local groups laying flags on fallen soldier memorials and unnamed graves, not trolling through MSNBC's website. But, apparently I don't know anything about the day.

I answered your question, it isn't my fault that you got thin skinned feelings hurt. Don't ask questions that you don't want to hear the answer too.

Here's Enhance's argument: "The claim that MSNBC did nothing to pay homage to Memorial Day doesn't hold water unless someone watched all 24 hours of MSNBC's Memorial Day programming." He then goes on to show that MSNBC did in fact air four different stories--including two video tributes--that aired over Memorial Day weekend. Is that less than other news programming? Perhaps, and that's completely up to the MSNBC's producers. Point is, you can't make a sweeping judgment about MSNBC's lack of respect for Memorial Day by watching just a few hours of programming.

 

You could do the same thing with Fox, CNN, ABC, HLN, Al Jazeera, or whatever and wind up with the same argument. You want to bet that Fox News or CNN weren't talking about the gorilla incident or any other news that just happened to occur on or over Memorial Day weekend? I'll happily take you up on that offer. News companies report news and rarely--if ever--will Memorial Day be the sole story of the day. In the unfortunate event that a mass shooting occurred on Memorial Day, do you expect news companies to not cover that story?

 

No where in any of his posts did he even bring up a disrespect towards Memorial Day or armed forces veterans in any way. That is an assumption made on your end that led you to act foolishly, and then you're blaming someone else for being offended by your assumption. I know many, many people who silently and not so silently observe Memorial Day, the day dedicated to all the brave men and women, such as yourself, who willingly risked everything in defense of our great country. To question people's respect for our veterans without any proof whatsoever is pretty misguided.

 

I have a great respect for our armed forces. My brother-in-law is a Marine officer currently serving overseas, and I cannot begin to imagine the difficulty in being separated from the person he loves, in a place far removed from the USA. Yet he, and many others, bravely solider on, knowing that any day might be their last; they know they must protect their country of people most of whom they'll never meet.

 

What I have a hard time wrapping my head around is those who boisterously demand to be respected because of their service. I, and many others, already respect these individuals--the uniform, wounds, titles, do enough to garner respect.

Apparently you or those who are +1'ing you lack reading comprehension. He asked a very dumb question asking "what I expected, all day coverage?" The sarcasm in that question and the premise was disrespectful in it's tone in itself. Next,when did I "boisterously demand to be respected because of their (my) service?" I even said that those to include myself don't want sh#t from anyone. It is for those who made the ultimate sacrifice and died for this country.

AFhusker's account is suspended for 30 days for the personal attack. This now makes 4 that have been suspended because they insist on taking shots and making personal attacks on other members. Again, there is simply no reason for it. Attack the post and not the poster.

 

 

Speaking strictly as a poster inclined to disagree with AFHusker, I consider the bolded insult fairly mild and his 30 day suspension unnecessary.

 

People do ask dumb questions and jump to conclusions without reading. This went more to the tenor of the argument.

 

The internet is full of horrible personal attacks, but I don't consider this one of them.

 

 

Have to agree here, sorry. And I don't agree with any of his posts in this topic. I can see 2-3 days but people have said way worse things and not been suspended at all.

[Danny Bateman]

I think AR really wants to hammer home that we have to really shy away from directly going after individuals in here. Politics is always a testy subject since we all have differing views. But there's room to express your views and respectfully disagree with someone else who doesn't agree without aiming your guns directly on the person themselves.

 

I for one really like the variety of voices we get here. But 4 is a lot of folks to lose in what, 2 days?

 

As he says, attack the post. If it's a crappy argument, tear it to shreds. If you made a crappy argument, take a step back and let it go. And for God's sakes, listen to President Nicholson.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Yeah, in terms of personal attacks, that was fairly mild. Also I was not specifically referring to you, AFhusker, in the last sentence, though I did quote you. If that was the implication that was made from it, then I apologize, I did not intend to offend.