Repealing the ACA under Trump

[JJ Husker]

Most pro-lifers are pro life because they think the woman is making the decision for 2 people, therefore it's not a woman's rights issue.

 

But the problem with the senate/house making any kind of decision on it is they are made up of 20% women. They have no idea what it's like to be pregnant, have a baby, or make a decision on whether to have a baby, and many are probably ignorant of health issues.

 

I've known men who get freaked out just by the mention of menstruation.

 

[Making Chimichangas]

 

 

 

 

Pardone my French, but why the f#*k are we defunding Planned Parenthood?

Because killing babies is abhorrent

 

Because that's what Planned Parenthood does with federal money.

 

 

I have a solution: Introduce a federal law requiring all the "pro-life" Republicans to adopt all the babies who would have been aborted.

 

If men could get pregnant, not only would abortion be legal; but it would be fully funded under every health care plan and there would be an abortion clinic on almost every street corner.

 

 

 

The attitude that the fight against abortion is nothing more than a bunch of men wanting to control women needs to stop. I am pro life BECAUSE the women in my life convinced me. I was pro choice through college.

 

That line of thinking does nothing to further any discussion.

 

I am pro life but I don't support Republicans in their faux fight against it and their dream of defunding Planned Parenthood. The entire issue on both sides has gotten way out of control.

 

I agree the issue is now out of control. However, it is the Republicans who are always making a fuss about this.

 

Defunding Planned Parenthood, and driving them out of business, seems to be priority #1 on the Republican agenda. Well that, legalizing discrimination against gays, trans, atheists, and pretty much every other group that they think is out to destroy America, and by extension, everything they hold dear. But I digress.

 

Listen, I am basically "pro-life" also. I would encourage a woman who is pregnant to give the child up for adoption.

 

The difference is, I realize that abortion is a service that needs to remain a safe and legal alternative. So while I do not necessarily agree with getting an abortion, I 100% support the right to get one.

 

Kinda like realizing that allowing free speech means you have to let nazis and other hate groups have their say. I don't like it one bit, and honestly I'd love to punch a nazi in the face about 100 times, but freedom means allowing things to be legal, even if it is against what you believe. And that's a concept that Republicans mostly do not understand.

[Landlord]

The data is pretty clear that anyone who is pro-life should also be pro legal abortion and universal access to contraceptives and quality sex education. That's how you stop abortions.

[RedDenver]

 

 

I don't think that's true. Changing healthcare has been a Dem priority for a long time. It has also been a Good one, I think. The ACA required compromise and was essentially a conservative approach, because the alternative was doing nothing and that was way more politically viable.

Except that that no Republicans voted for the ACA, so making it a conservative approach made no sense. The Dems had the votes to get ACA with a public option passed but went with a more conservative plan anyway.

 

 

They did NOT have the votes to get the public option. Joe Lieberman voted against it because he represented a state that is heavily reliant on the insurance industry for their economy. He singlehandedly killed the public option because it needed only 1 more vote.

Lieberman is a Democrat, so the Dems DID have the votes to get the public option. And even with Lieberman dissenting, Obama could have put pressure on him to get it passed.

[Moiraine]

The data is pretty clear that anyone who is pro-life should also be pro legal abortion and universal access to contraceptives and quality sex education. That's how you stop abortions.

 

No. Stop having sex.

[Making Chimichangas]

And then there's this little gem:

 

In this link, there is a short video where a Republican asks why men should have to pay for maternity care:

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%E2%80%98is-that-not-correct%E2%80%99-male-gop-lawmaker-asks-why-men-should-pay-for-prenatal-coverage/ar-AAo5g2W?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

 

As part of the same story, here's an answer to the same question from a different time:

 

Here’s how insurance expert and columnist Nancy Metcalf answered a similar question from a Consumer Reports reader that year:

 

Health insurance, like all insurance, works by pooling risks. The healthy subsidize the sick, who could be somebody else this year and you next year. Those risks include any kind of health care a person might need from birth to death—prenatal care through hospice. No individual is likely to need all of it, but we will all need some of it eventually.

So, as a middle-aged childless man you resent having to pay for maternity care or kids’ dental care. Shouldn’t turnabout be fair play? Shouldn’t pregnant women and kids be able to say, “Fine, but in that case why should we have to pay for your Viagra, or prostate cancer tests, or the heart attack and high blood pressure you are many times more likely to suffer from than we are?” Once you start down that road, it’s hard to know where to stop. If you slice and dice risks, eventually you don’t have a risk pool at all, and the whole idea of insurance falls apart . .

 

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​I'm just flabbergasted at this link and often find myself wondering what planet/reality conservative republican men live/exist in.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

Pardone my French, but why the f#*k are we defunding Planned Parenthood?

Because killing babies is abhorrent

 

Because that's what Planned Parenthood does with federal money.

 

 

I have a solution: Introduce a federal law requiring all the "pro-life" Republicans to adopt all the babies who would have been aborted.

 

If men could get pregnant, not only would abortion be legal; but it would be fully funded under every health care plan and there would be an abortion clinic on almost every street corner.

 

 

 

The attitude that the fight against abortion is nothing more than a bunch of men wanting to control women needs to stop. I am pro life BECAUSE the women in my life convinced me. I was pro choice through college.

 

That line of thinking does nothing to further any discussion.

 

I am pro life but I don't support Republicans in their faux fight against it and their dream of defunding Planned Parenthood. The entire issue on both sides has gotten way out of control.

 

I agree the issue is now out of control. However, it is the Republicans who are always making a fuss about this.

 

Defunding Planned Parenthood, and driving them out of business, seems to be priority #1 on the Republican agenda. Well that, legalizing discrimination against gays, trans, atheists, and pretty much every other group that they think is out to destroy America, and by extension, everything they hold dear. But I digress.

 

Listen, I am basically "pro-life" also. I would encourage a woman who is pregnant to give the child up for adoption.

 

The difference is, I realize that abortion is a service that needs to remain a safe and legal alternative. So while I do not necessarily agree with getting an abortion, I 100% support the right to get one.

 

Kinda like realizing that allowing free speech means you have to let nazis and other hate groups have their say. I don't like it one bit, and honestly I'd love to punch a nazi in the face about 100 times, but freedom means allowing things to be legal, even if it is against what you believe. And that's a concept that Republicans mostly do not understand.

 

Hmmm....no....this is a wedge issue that is used very well from both sides.

[BigRedBuster]

The data is pretty clear that anyone who is pro-life should also be pro legal abortion and universal access to contraceptives and quality sex education. That's how you stop abortions.

I've said for a very very long time that the pro-life side needs to focus on decreasing the NEED for abortions instead of trying to ban abortions.

[Making Chimichangas]

BigRedBuster said: Hmmm....no....this is a wedge issue that is used very well from both sides.

 

​It's only a "wedge issue from both sides" because Republicans are, at literally every opportunity, attempting to ban abortions altogether and/or defund Planned Parenthood.

 

If most Republicans would stop and just accept that abortions are legal and move on, it would probably cease to be a wedge issue. But that's not what happens.

 

The converse is true of guns: if Democrats* would just accept that guns are legal and protected by the 2nd Amendment, there wouldn't be all the rancorous debate about guns either.

 

* ​Not all Democrats and/or liberals. I am pretty liberal, but the anti-gun forces can have my AR-15 after they've pried it out of my cold, dead, hands.

[Saunders]

BigRedBuster said: Hmmm....no....this is a wedge issue that is used very well from both sides.

 

​It's only a "wedge issue from both sides" because Republicans are, at literally every opportunity, attempting to ban abortions altogether and/or defund Planned Parenthood.

 

If most Republicans would stop and just accept that abortions are legal and move on, it would probably cease to be a wedge issue. But that's not what happens.

 

The converse is true of guns: if Democrats* would just accept that guns are legal and protected by the 2nd Amendment, there wouldn't be all the rancorous debate about guns either.

 

* ​Not all Democrats and/or liberals. I am pretty liberal, but the anti-gun forces can have my AR-15 after they've pried it out of my cold, dead, hands.

It won't happen, but if Dems did this, they wouldn't lose an election for a long time.

[knapplc]

It won't happen, but if Dems did this, they wouldn't lose an election for a long time.

Depends who they run. I'd have voted for just about anyone other than Hillary last time around. I liked Obama well enough, but not Bernie, not... really anyone else they've run in the past 30 years.

[RedDenver]

 

It won't happen, but if Dems did this, they wouldn't lose an election for a long time.

Depends who they run. I'd have voted for just about anyone other than Hillary last time around. I liked Obama well enough, but not Bernie, not... really anyone else they've run in the past 30 years.

 

One of the big knocks on Bernie during the primary was that he wasn't tough enough on the gun issue.

[zoogs]

I'm curious what it is about the uniformly anti-ACA, anti-EPA/climate/Iran deal etc of the rest of the Republican slate that made them so palatable.

 

I find the recent Democrat approach to the gun issue troubling (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/democrats-stage-sit-in-on-house-floor-to-force-gun-vote-224656). It's great to make a big deal out of it, but attack it head on. Don't attack civil liberties and due process instead. For me, guns are the issue. Finding more classes of people to take rights away from seems like a dangerous legal framework to be building.

[knapplc]

[Fru]

 

All Lives Matter. Every life is sacred. Pro Life.