rolldog Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Two questions. 1) How does the method of calculation of deaths in PR compare to the method used in other disasters? Why in the heck did it take so long to change the figures? 2) How about getting rid of the Gov of PR, the Mayor of San Juan, etc. as they apparently didn't do much before or after the disaster? Maybe it is time to move disaster response out of the government as an effective response hasn't been seen from the .gov in more than a few administrations. (TX, New Orleans, etc.) Link to comment
NM11046 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 My understanding is that the initial numbers were those who were killed on the day of the hurricane and identified immediately. It did not count people that were missing, many of which were in remote areas, it didn't count those who died in the days after the hurricane due to injury, and it didn't count those who died of other hurricane related issues (i.e. hospital patients who died because the electricity didn't power their respirator). I'd have to google to be sure, but there was talk all along that the numbers being publicized by our government were not correct and were too early. And I vehemently disagree with your comments about the leadership there not doing anything before or after. All you had to do is turn on the tv to see what they were doing. That's just an ignorant comment. Link to comment
commando Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, rolldog said: 1) How does the method of calculation of deaths in PR compare to the method used in other disasters? Why in the heck did it take so long to change the figures? it apparently isn't easy. check this out about hurricane katrina. The death toll from Katrina is uncertain, with reports differing by hundreds. According to the National Hurricane Center, 1,836 fatalities can be attributed to the storm: 1 in Kentucky, 2 each in Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio, 14 in Florida, 238 in Mississippi, and 1,577 in Louisiana.[45][50] However, 135 people remain categorized as missing in Louisiana,[50] and many of the deaths are indirect, but it is almost impossible to determine the exact cause of some of the fatalities.[1] A 2008 report by the Disaster Medicine and Public Health Preparedness journal indicates that 966 deaths can be directly attributed to the storm in Louisiana, including out of state evacuees, and another 20 indirectly (such as firearm related deaths and gas poisoning). Due to uncertain causes of death with 454 evacuees, an upper-bound of 1,440 is noted in the paper.[46] A follow-up study by the Louisiana Department of Health & Hospitals determined that the storm was directly responsible for 1,170 fatalities in Louisiana.[47] Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 15 hours ago, rolldog said: Maybe it is time to move disaster response out of the government as an effective response hasn't been seen from the .gov in more than a few administrations. (TX, New Orleans, etc.) Trying to recall Obama's disaster relief shortcomings. Texas (Harvey) was under Trump, New Orleans (Katrina) was under Bush. There was the great earthquake felt in Nebraska in 2016, but we took care of that on our own... Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Not many powerful storms hit the US during the Obama Administration... Gustav, Dolly and Ike in 2008 Irene in 2011 Sandy in 2012 Arthur in 2014 Matthew in 2016 None of these cause the epic destruction as those mentioned above Link to comment
knapplc Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, DevoHusker said: Not many powerful storms hit the US during the Obama Administration... Gustav, Dolly and Ike in 2008 Irene in 2011 Sandy in 2012 Arthur in 2014 Matthew in 2016 None of these cause the epic destruction as those mentioned above Yeah, I remember a big deal being made about Sandy, and the kerfluffle when Obama & Christie toured the damage together, but Sandy was 1/3 as costly as Harvey. Some family was in Houston during Harvey. The damage was pretty insane. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, knapplc said: Yeah, I remember a big deal being made about Sandy, and the kerfluffle when Obama & Christie toured the damage together, but Sandy was 1/3 as costly as Harvey. Some family was in Houston during Harvey. The damage was pretty insane. The damage was extensive in many of these storms. However, only ONE of the storms being discussed did the President attack the people, mayor and governor from the region publicly and make comments about how much money the US government had already spent in the region. 4 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: The damage was extensive in many of these storms. However, only ONE of the storms being discussed did the President attack the people, mayor and governor from the region publicly and make comments about how much money the US government had already spent in the region. The old "kick'em while they are down' form of govt. That is a long way from the previous 3 Repub Presidents: Reagan "Hope and a shining city on a hill", GHWB "Kinder and Gentler type of gov't" , GWB "Compassionate Conservatism" Trump- "Kick them while they are down when skin is brown and their politics are blue. " Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, TGHusker said: The old "kick'em while they are down' form of govt. That is a long way from the previous 3 Repub Presidents: Reagan "Hope and a shining city on a hill", GHWB "Kinder and Gentler type of gov't" , GWB "Compassionate Conservatism" Trump- "Kick them while they are down when skin is brown and their politics are blue. " Good Lord ....when you list those it makes me sad. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Maybe it is time for statehood. https://www.vox.com/2018/8/31/17793362/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-statehood Quote That a sitting US president would expect no political consequences from showing zero empathy toward the deaths of so many American citizens crystallizes the fact that Puerto Rico’s status as a US territory is more than a civil rights issue — it’s a human rights issue. More than 3 million US citizens live in Puerto Rico with fewer constitutional rights than anyone living in one of the 50 states. Americans on the island can’t vote for president in the general election or elect a voting member of Congress. But the federal government’s response to Hurricane Maria has shown that the problem is even uglier than that: Puerto Rico’s status as a US territory, which is rooted in racist legal rulings, has created a class of citizens whose lives are valued less, and whose deaths can be ignored by America’s most powerful leaders. Puerto Rico is asking to become a US state. In fact, political leaders have been asking for a clear path to statehood since the 1960s. In 2016, the pro-statehood political party won control over the island’s legislature, the governor’s mansion, and the island’s sole (non-voting) congressional seat. Since then, Puerto Rico’s representative in Congress, Rep. Jenniffer González-Colón, has introduced two House bills that would allow Puerto Rico to become the 51st American state — one before Hurricane Maria hit, and the other this summer. “Now is the time,” González-Colón said in a statement in June, when she introduced the Puerto Rico Admission Act of 2018. “The catastrophe left behind by Hurricanes Irma and María unmasked the reality of the unequal treatment of the American living in Puerto Rico.” Past presidents have supported statehood for Puerto Rico, if that’s what the majority of Puerto Ricans wanted. Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama did. Support for statehood was even enshrined in the 2016 Republican Party platform. Puerto Rico’s congressional delegates have introduced multiple (failed) bills over the years, which granted Puerto Rico statehood based on the outcome of a popular vote on the island. The latest bill is the first that would grant Puerto Rico statehood without any conditions, with the understanding that Puerto Rico has already done enough to prove that the island wants to join the union. This is Puerto Rico’s most aggressive push for statehood yet. The fact that few members of Congress are listening — even as the island struggles to recover from a massive economic and humanitarian crisis — shows how meaningless American citizenship can be. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 This guy is just so weird. Can't resist self-promotion but had to get some swipes in at Puerto Rico as well. Link to comment
knapplc Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Yep. GREAT response there, Donnie Moscow. Quote Photos reportedly show massive stockpile of bottled water left on a runway for more than a year in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria A photographer working for a Puerto Rican police agency reportedly caught a glimpse of a stockpile of bottled water on a runaway in the city of Ceiba. The water was believed to be part of relief efforts after Hurricane Maria wrought devastation on the US territory in September 2017. A year later, the photographer, Abdiel Santana, said the stockpile of what could be millions of water bottles were still standing on the tarmac. 1 Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Maybe Puerto Rico was a success in his eyes. 3,000 fewer brown people on the planet.... 2 Link to comment
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