Dbqgolfer Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 4 hours ago, El Diaco said: I wouldn't say Friedman at the NYT is my favorite writer but he has a point. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/if-only-stephen-paddock-were-a-muslim/ar-AAsRwk3?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=DELLDHP Quote: "If only Stephen Paddock had been a Muslim … If only he had shouted “Allahu akbar” before he opened fire on all those concertgoers in Las Vegas … If only he had been a member of ISIS … If only we had a picture of him posing with a Quran in one hand and his semiautomatic rifle in another … If all of that had happened, no one would be telling us not to dishonor the victims and “politicize” Paddock’s mass murder by talking about preventive remedies. No, no, no. Then we know what we’d be doing. We’d be scheduling immediate hearings in Congress about the worst domestic terrorism event since 9/11. Then Donald Trump would be tweeting every hour “I told you so,” as he does minutes after every terror attack in Europe, precisely to immediately politicize them. Then there would be immediate calls for a commission of inquiry to see what new laws we need to put in place to make sure this doesn’t happen again. Then we’d be “weighing all options” against the country of origin. But what happens when the country of origin is us?" And after 9/11, congress did hold immediate hearings, then preceded to pass the "Patriot Act" (99-1 in the senate, I believe); which, of course was later decried as a huge infringement of civil liberties. So, Friedmann didn't intend to, but he actually makes the argument to not hold hearings and pass legislation immediately following a national tragedy. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 5 hours ago, RedDenver said: Is "get small" the 21st century version of "duck and cover"? 4 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: This reminds me of the nuclear bomb drills we used to do when in grade school in the 70s cold war. They would tell us to get under our desks. WTF??? Like this flimsy little desk is going to save me from a nuclear bomb? I had that part figured out in second grade. Link to comment
ZRod Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, knapplc said: Whoa! 1 Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 hours ago, knapplc said: Wow.... The rest of you need to strap up. Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Except that if those numbers are true, "gun owners" are a special-interest-group and not part of mainstream America. So do we support SIG's or the majority on this one? And if it's the SIG, why this time and not every other time? Link to comment
Scratchtown Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 How’d a 64 year old man get that many guns/ammo smuggled into that hotel/casino? How’d he manage to fire from that far away that many times and hit that many people? I haven’t seen anything on him being a trained gunman. He had to be extremely “lucky” (I feel like) to be that accurate. Link to comment
BIGREDIOWAN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Coach Power'T said: How’d a 64 year old man get that many guns/ammo smuggled into that hotel/casino? How’d he manage to fire from that far away that many times and hit that many people? I haven’t seen anything on him being a trained gunman. He had to be extremely “lucky” (I feel like) to be that accurate. Just the sheer number of rounds he sent towards the crowd meant he'd hit several targets. He didn't need to be that accurate. When you're firing a full-auto weapon from an elevated position sometimes it's all about tracking your path of rounds and walking them towards your target. 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Coach Power'T said: How’d a 64 year old man get that many guns/ammo smuggled into that hotel/casino? Eh - if he had 2 corner windows it was probably a big, expensive room. A rich man in Vegas with some big suitcases probably wouldn't set off alarm bells. I know a lot of people died and got hurt but I think it's lucky thousands didn't get trampled. They obviously had the exits set up well to prevent that from happening. Link to comment
Landlord Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Maybe this is morbid of me, but I honestly can't believe that stuff like this doesn't happen more often. Like, I've always thought how easy it would be for me to cause insane amounts of destruction and death if I really wanted to, and I guess thank God that there are a very, very, very small number of people who are twisted enough to actually decide to do that? It just doesn't seem like it'd be that hard. 2 Link to comment
Dbqgolfer Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 7 hours ago, Coach Power'T said: How’d a 64 year old man get that many guns/ammo smuggled into that hotel/casino? How’d he manage to fire from that far away that many times and hit that many people? I haven’t seen anything on him being a trained gunman. He had to be extremely “lucky” (I feel like) to be that accurate. With all of the trade shows/conventions in Las Vegas, I'm sure people check into hotels with large suitcases/trunks all of the time. Probably wouldn't even raise and eyebrow. Link to comment
Dbqgolfer Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Landlord said: Maybe this is morbid of me, but I honestly can't believe that stuff like this doesn't happen more often. Like, I've always thought how easy it would be for me to cause insane amounts of destruction and death if I really wanted to, and I guess thank God that there are a very, very, very small number of people who are twisted enough to actually decide to do that? It just doesn't seem like it'd be that hard. Yep, very fortunate that even with all of our differences, the vast majority of people still want to remain living in a civilized society. 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Landlord said: Maybe this is morbid of me, but I honestly can't believe that stuff like this doesn't happen more often. Like, I've always thought how easy it would be for me to cause insane amounts of destruction and death if I really wanted to, and I guess thank God that there are a very, very, very small number of people who are twisted enough to actually decide to do that? It just doesn't seem like it'd be that hard. Luckily there are few psychopaths, and a lot of them hurt people in other ways. Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 7 hours ago, Landlord said: Maybe this is morbid of me, but I honestly can't believe that stuff like this doesn't happen more often. Like, I've always thought how easy it would be for me to cause insane amounts of destruction and death if I really wanted to, and I guess thank God that there are a very, very, very small number of people who are twisted enough to actually decide to do that? It just doesn't seem like it'd be that hard. I think that's the Call of the Void, or something similar. It's basically your brain identifying that such things are possible, maybe as a way to reaffirm that you are not actually interested in doing it, as if you're test-driving the idea and opting not to. If you've ever daydreamed about punching your friend or jumping from a high place, but haven't, that's the same thing. Freud said that meant you were healthy. It's a pretty normal thing. Link to comment
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