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36 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

accidental fire...just like the muskava(sp?)    although it is over 1,000 km from ukrainian border and russian quality control do make it more likely that this is really an accident.    the first fire at the plant that makes parts for the iskander rockets they are hitting ukrain with is much more suspicious to me.

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24 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

That appears to be desperate sabre rattling from a failed regime getting it's hat handed to it by "weaker" neighbor.  

not sure i would say they are getting their hat handed to them.   they are losing tons of equipment and troops....but they have a huge pile of old equipment and the ability to draft millions if they want to overwhelm Ukraine..    the only question is if they want to spend that much or if they settle with modest gains in the east and declare victory.   the propagandist in that interview seems to think they won't settle so our 10's of thousands of tanks and warplanes in storage better start getting readied just in case.   

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I am not even sure what to say here...as if hundreds in Bucha were not already bad enough. I guess this is not proven yet. If true I am not sure how we can stand by....

 

Russian troops accused of burying 9,000 civilians in mass graves near Mariupol: Live Ukraine updates (msn.com)

[Scarlet]

4 minutes ago, commando said:

not sure i would say they are getting their hat handed to them.   they are losing tons of equipment and troops....but they have a huge pile of old equipment and the ability to draft millions if they want to overwhelm Ukraine..    the only question is if they want to spend that much or if they settle with modest gains in the east and declare victory.   the propagandist in that interview seems to think they won't settle so our 10's of thousands of tanks and warplanes in storage better start getting readied just in case.   

The same could have been said for their foray into Afghanistan.  The only thing the Russians have to show for 56 days of their war is untold carnage on both sides, loads of lost military hardware, demoralized and worn-out troops, dead commanders, a sunken flagship, etc., all for a few small gains in the east. 

 

I suppose that's the model Russian military campaign so you're probably right.  Has throwing untrained and scared conscripts ever worked in the long run?    At any rate, at this point they've definitely underperformed when we look back at thinking Kyiv would fall within a week.  

[Notre Dame Joe]

10 hours ago, Scarlet said:

The same could have been said for their foray into Afghanistan.  The only thing the Russians have to show for 56 days of their war is untold carnage on both sides, loads of lost military hardware, demoralized and worn-out troops, dead commanders, a sunken flagship, etc., all for a few small gains in the east. 

 

I suppose that's the model Russian military campaign so you're probably right.  Has throwing untrained and scared conscripts ever worked in the long run?    At any rate, at this point they've definitely underperformed when we look back at thinking Kyiv would fall within a week.  

How do you think they took Berlin?

[Scarlet]

5 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

How do you think they took Berlin?

You saw it.  What do you think?

[FrantzHardySwag]

We like to go back and forth on Biden and Trumps health - they're both old as dirt and showing their age...but Putin really looks sick, imagine the propaganda machine running at full force and still looking this terrible.

 

 

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2 hours ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

We like to go back and forth on Biden and Trumps health - they're both old as dirt and showing their age...but Putin really looks sick, imagine the propaganda machine running at full force and still looking this terrible.

 

 

looks like he misjudged that fart

[JJ Husker]

5 hours ago, Scarlet said:

You saw it.  What do you think?

This was beautiful.   Well done.

[TGHusker]

At least they can be commended for keeping a sense of humor.

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-names-sunken-russian-warship-moskva-a-national-heritage-site/ar-AAWuGq1?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=403a5a634d464b6abb42e63b9e4249bf

 

 

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Ukraine has designated the underwater wreckage of the Russian Moskva warship a Ukrainian cultural heritage site, according to its ministry of defense, a week after the heavily armed flagship was sunk by two Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles in the Black Sea, after which Ukraine’s defense minister jokingly called it “one more diving spot.”

Key Facts

The Russian fleet became number 2,064 in Ukraine’s underwater cultural heritage register, Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense wrote in a Facebook post on Thursday, adding that the “famous cruiser” 80 miles from Odessa, Ukraine can now be “admired.”

The move comes a week after U.S. intelligence confirmed Ukraine sunk Russia’s fleet flagship in its biggest wartime loss of a naval ship in decades, which likely led to casualties, according to the Pentagon.

Crucial Quote

“A ‘flagship’ russian warship is a worthy diving site. We have one more diving spot in the Black Sea now. Will definitely visit the wreck after our victory in the war. BTW, I already have 300 scuba dives,” Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov joked in a tweet last week after Ukraine sank the ship.

Key Background

Russia initially denied reports that Ukraine had sank its warship, claiming at first that it was damaged due to a fire that caused an explosion, and later, that it sank due to “stormy sea” conditions, though reports showed mild weather in the Black Sea. A U.S. defense official said the blow to the warship, which had 16 launchers for anti-ship missiles and 64 air-defense missiles, represented a significant setback for Russia. Ukraine’s government made fun of the Russian loss on Twitter, writing “Russian warship, what are you sinking?” The government has used its social media accounts on several occasions to make fun of the Kremlin since the war began, including through memes. The sinking of the Russian warship came as Russia shifted the focus of its invasion to the eastern region of Ukraine, saying this week that it wants to establish “full control” over the Donbas region and southern Ukraine as part of the second phase of its military operation.

 

 

 

[JJ Husker]

It’s fun and all to read some of their tweets but dang, there might be a bit too much death and suffering and loss to be making light of some of these things. I guess that’s what you get when you mix war with today’s social media. A bit too little respect for life if you ask me.

[Scarlet]

5 hours ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

We like to go back and forth on Biden and Trumps health - they're both old as dirt and showing their age...but Putin really looks sick, imagine the propaganda machine running at full force and still looking this terrible.

 

 

I was reading last night that the speculation is that he might have thyroid cancer.  Supposedly he has a thyroid cancer specialist camped out at his villa in Sochi. Take it for what it's worth.

 

Let's hope it's true and he dies soon.  

[Scarlet]

Yeah this is starting to look more and more like either a resistance with Russia setting these or someone's intelligence services playing a part.  Of course, I guess you can't rule out faulty wiring after seeing the performance of the Russian military's equipment. 

[TGHusker]

The Putin purification of Russia continues  

 

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/oligarchs-murder-suicide-1699766

 

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Two Russian Oligarchs Die in Mysterious Circumstances 24 Hours Apart

Questions look set to be asked after two Russian oligarchs, both linked to gas giants, apparently murdered their wives and daughters before killing themselves—within two days of each other.

In both cases, the alarm was raised by the slain families' surviving child.

 

 

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