Russia

[commando]

1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Okay, now I'm starting to think Russia may not be in any position to outlast Ukraine, and would be utterly helpless to advance on any other county. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/12/politics/russia-troop-losses-us-intelligence-assessment/index.html

that was prewar strength.   they have mobilized a lot more now than they had then.   where they have been really hurt is their modern equipment.   but they still have 10's of thousands of armored vehicles they can use.  many older but still able to do damage.

[teachercd]

12 minutes ago, commando said:

that was prewar strength.   they have mobilized a lot more now than they had then.   where they have been really hurt is their modern equipment.   but they still have 10's of thousands of armored vehicles they can use.  many older but still able to do damage.

They have crap.  They are a shell of what they were before.  It will b funny to watch them bend the knee.

[ZRod]

9 hours ago, commando said:

that was prewar strength.   they have mobilized a lot more now than they had then.   where they have been really hurt is their modern equipment.   but they still have 10's of thousands of armored vehicles they can use.  many older but still able to do damage.

A Russian tradition as old as the cold harsh winters.

[Gage County]

19 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

EDIT:

This is the correct chart for funding. I had two windows open at once.

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/8521/expenditure-of-nato-countries-in-2016/ 

 

Wow, that's really bad. The US provides the largest percent of the largest economy. It's not even close.

[teachercd]

50 minutes ago, Gage County said:

 

Wow, that's really bad. The US provides the largest percent of the largest economy. It's not even close.

It really is shocking when you see it like that.

[Decked]

11 hours ago, teachercd said:

They have crap.  They are a shell of what they were before.  It will b funny to watch them bend the knee.

The have lost approximately 1/4 of their overall protectable power from before. Their greatest strength is the meat grinder. And the amount of men they can thrust into service via forced conscription. I heard they can train/send 20,000 a month to the front last night. 

[Decked]

11 hours ago, teachercd said:

They have crap.  They are a shell of what they were before.  It will b funny to watch them bend the knee.

While that’s true quantity is still a quality. Ukraine may have some good western equipment but their backbone is still Russian leftovers. And a hodgepodge mashup of equipment leads to higher logistical costs & bogs down planning operations. 

[teachercd]

20 minutes ago, Decked said:

The have lost approximately 1/4 of their overall protectable power from before. Their greatest strength is the meat grinder. And the amount of men they can thrust into service via forced conscription. I heard they can train/send 20,000 a month to the front last night. 

Yeah, on offense they suck BUT they have what, 60 million "men" that they can force to go fight or sick attack dogs on them if they refuse?

 

What did Stalin say all those years ago?  "Women can have more sons"

 

 

[commando]

1 hour ago, Gage County said:

 

Wow, that's really bad. The US provides the largest percent of the largest economy. It's not even close.

that chart is from 2016.    i wonder what it would look like from this year?    

 

[Gage County]

36 minutes ago, commando said:

that chart is from 2016.    i wonder what it would look like from this year?   

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/

 

We had an account error of $6.2B to put things into perspective.

[Dr. Strangelove]

2 hours ago, Decked said:

The have lost approximately 1/4 of their overall protectable power from before. Their greatest strength is the meat grinder. And the amount of men they can thrust into service via forced conscription. I heard they can train/send 20,000 a month to the front last night. 

Russian War doctrine has essentially been "the Russian people can endure more suffering than you can". They had an official say as much just after the war began. 

 

1 hour ago, teachercd said:

What did Stalin say all those years ago?  "Women can have more sons"

This is why most countries don't include women in conscription. It's not because men make better soldiers - women are actually much better at shooting - but because women can do something men cannot, which is to have babies. You can go to war every 20 years if the population of women is relatively unaffected.

 

Men are expendable to military planners, women are not.

[deedsker]

56 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Russian War doctrine has essentially been "the Russian people can endure more suffering than you can". They had an official say as much just after the war began. 

 

This is why most countries don't include women in conscription. It's not because men make better soldiers - women are actually much better at shooting - but because women can do something men cannot, which is to have babies. You can go to war every 20 years if the population of women is relatively unaffected.

 

Men are expendable to military planners, women are not.

The bigger picture problem is that the fertility rate is 1.4-1.5 and is well below the replacement rate of 2.1 kids per female. The tactic of being able to do a war of attrition is of a bygone era for Russia. Unless structural societal changes happen inside Russia, the numbers won’t be there for much longer.

[teachercd]

1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Russian War doctrine has essentially been "the Russian people can endure more suffering than you can". They had an official say as much just after the war began. 

 

This is why most countries don't include women in conscription. It's not because men make better soldiers - women are actually much better at shooting - but because women can do something men cannot, which is to have babies. You can go to war every 20 years if the population of women is relatively unaffected.

 

Men are expendable to military planners, women are not.

Sir...women are not the only people that can have babies!!!  Uggggg

 

Hahaha

[Dr. Strangelove]

1 hour ago, deedsker said:

The bigger picture problem is that the fertility rate is 1.4-1.5 and is well below the replacement rate of 2.1 kids per female. The tactic of being able to do a war of attrition is of a bygone era for Russia. Unless structural societal changes happen inside Russia, the numbers won’t be there for much longer.

Very true. Ultra-nationalist Russians in the Kremlin are making choices for Russia that are terrible in the short term and catastrophic for Russia in the long term. 

 

The war in Ukraine for them has gained them a small amount of territory in exchange for economic ruin and and already dire demographic situation cataclysmic. 

[DevoHusker]

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