whateveritis1224 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Surprised this story has not been mentioned, but we're focused too much on the Dog dying in a United Airlines airplane. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/us/austin-explosions/index.html This fine White Christian boy came from a normal Good Christian family, so of course we can't call him a terrorist, he's not Muslim. 2 Link to comment
MLB 51 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, whateveritis1224 said: Surprised this story has not been mentioned, but we're focused too much on the Dog dying in a United Airlines airplane. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/us/austin-explosions/index.html This fine White Christian boy came from a normal Good Christian family, so of course we can't call him a terrorist, he's not Muslim. Sure we can. Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I think his point is that nobody in the media is calling him that. The quote from the police was that he was "a troubled young man". Link to comment
ZRod Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 What's he's political or racial motivation? As far as I know there isn't a known motive at this time, so why would he be a terrorist? Every definition of terrorism I see involves politics. 2 Link to comment
teachercd Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, ZRod said: What's he's political or racial motivation? As far as I know there isn't a known motive at this time, so why would he be a terrorist? Every definition of terrorism I see involves politics. Exactly. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, ZRod said: What's he's political or racial motivation? As far as I know there isn't a known motive at this time, so why would he be a terrorist? Every definition of terrorism I see involves politics. I don't believe a political motivation is necessary. Maybe that's how we think of it today. But, the goal of a terrorist is to "terrorize". Meaning, to instill fear within a group of people. He accomplished that. 3 Link to comment
QMany Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Quote 18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended—(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) I haven't read the details but if he did it for reasons of race how is it not terrorism? If he didn't say why, he did leave packages at Black and Hispanic people's houses. The sample size is too small to prove it was aimed at them, and I don't know Austin very well. If they were left at predominantly Black/Hispanic neighborhoods I would at the very least suspect race is the motive. And it seems to me this debate doesn't happen when the perpetrator isn't White. White murderers are given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the label. If he's not a terrorist than neither is the Orlando shooter. He mentioned ISIS but no connection between him and ISIS has been found. Edited March 23, 2018 by Moiraine Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Moiraine said: I haven't read the details but if he did it for reasons of race how is it not terrorism? If he didn't say why, he did leave packages at Black and Hispanic people's houses. The sample size is too small to prove it was aimed at them, and I don't know Austin very well. If they were left at predominantly Black/Hispanic neighborhoods I would at the very least suspect race is the motive. And it seems to me this debate doesn't happen when the perpetrator isn't White. White murderers are given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the label. If he's not a terrorist than neither is the Orlando shooter. He mentioned ISIS but no connection between him and ISIS has been found. Purely anecdotal, but... It seems to me whenever the perpetrator is white, the question of domestic terrorism is shot down very quickly, almost out of hand. However, when they aren't, it's not necessarily called domestic terrorism, but they sure don't shoot it down as quickly. Often it's some cautious answer about how its too early to tell before all the facts are known. This indicates to me implicit bias is at play. Maybe not necessarily THE cause but certainly a contributing factor. Most LEOs seem more comfortable ruling out domestic terrorism if it's a white person. 2 Link to comment
The Dude Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 9:00 AM, BigRedBuster said: I don't believe a political motivation is necessary That's kind of the whole point though. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 4 hours ago, The Dude said: That's kind of the whole point though. For some yes. Others no. Link to comment
The Dude Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Just now, BigRedBuster said: For some yes. Others no. But in reality, yes. Saying terrorism just means any ol' violent crime is like saying every crime is a hate crime. It misses the point entirely. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, The Dude said: But in reality, yes. Saying terrorism just means any ol' violent crime is like saying every crime is a hate crime. It misses the point entirely. No. You can do violent crimes with the motivation to terrorize a group of people without political motivation. Edited April 1, 2018 by BigRedBuster Link to comment
The Dude Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) A guy can punch a guy simply because he hates that guy. Still not necessarily a hate crime. Edited April 1, 2018 by The Dude Link to comment
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